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[Aaronology]

Kind of like how Bernie's supporters are pushing Bernie into irrelevance.

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:

And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

 

[hohoXD123]

Hypocritical? You can argue that they were too loud and angry perhaps, but what did they do or say that went against what they believe or do?

I was referring to the photo above.

Beats me. But it's like watching Pixels and calling it a poor attempt at making a film.

I don't necessarily know how to make a good movie, but I know when it's done poorly.

Heh, fair enough. There wasn't much he could have done anyway, they clearly weren't going to be receptive to being reasoned with even after giving them the mic, and getting security to forcefully remove them would have looked terrible in the papers.

 

[neogaffer1]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

Thoughts? Seems to be a new page on his site.

economic section longest he's not addressing real issues /s

 

[injurai]

People do this with everything: "I'm not for or against X, but the supporters of X make me dislike X".

Politicians, political movements, sports teams, video games, movies, comics, musicians, colleges, methods of exercise, fashion, economic theories, religions beliefs. Whether significant or not, mundane or not, it happens. Everywhere. Always.

You're seeing competing claims on this thread of this very phenomenon.

It's commonplace.

Are you making a point or pointing out what I'm witnessing. Because I'm well aware. I'm just pointing it out so we don't continue to invoke the same sort of illogic.

 

[DR2K]

Women can get circumcised though, sorry :v



You dismiss a disconnected group of people because of a single, small protest. Is it not okay to dismiss Bernie's supporters for an even larger group of people who lash out against BLM?

I personally don't dismiss them, but it's generally that easy in the public eye. I'm only going by what I've seen on social media and it's and overwhelming stain in the image of BLM.

 

[mr2t]

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:



And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

Definitely the type of person who's concerns deserve compassion.

 

[jakonovski]

Thinking about this more, what gets me is that this was just antagonizing without threat, which will not help the cause at all because there is no incentive for anyone to do anything.

Civil rights have two workable avenues as I can see it: ally with a suitable part of the establishment (ie. Sanders), and/or go militant and find a new Malcolm X. Picking low hanging fruit does neither.

 

[deli2000]

economic section longest he's not addressing real issues /s

I mean numerous so called haters in this thread have complimented the progress he's made on racial issues before and since. But let's just ignore that since it doesn't support your argument.

 

[Cagey]

Are you making a point or pointing out what I'm witnessing. Because I'm well aware. I'm just pointing it out so we don't continue to invoke the same sort of illogic.

I'm pointing out that you should not be surprised that this is occurring or that it will continue to occur from all parties here after your post.

 

[LaserBuddha]

I'm just using his standards. Is it only okay to use them if you're doing them from the -just right- perspective?

Like when its okay to have signs that tell people what they can do based on their skin tone, as long as you're doing it from the "just right" perspective? Its making use of the same crap they're ultimately fighting against because hey, gotta break a few eggs/fire with fire/dont complain because we had it worse right?

The point is my comment is stupid because its using the same stupid logic of finding one person or a few people to spotlight and project them as fully representative of an entity you want to criticize.

I cant wait to hear what this shade about "Bernie supporters" in general is supposed to be, but havent seen a coherent explanation.

Im not at all about the "be quiet and dont start trouble and we'll treat you like equals" shit that the right peddles. But the "hey i can be a racist prick because my people have a little credit in the bank" stuff is indicative of a person no better than a white racist, and it absolutely IS counterproductive as it basically says fuck togetherness, on with tribalism, and you have done something wrong by being inadvertently born into some level of privilege.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:



And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

This is the second time that people have tried to point out this kind of hypocrisy. Is it prejudiced? Perhaps. However, it's not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be being okay with violence against white people based on their skin colour. Making fun of white people getting angry at what they did - and that is, indeed, what they did - is in a completely different spectrum from what they're talking about.

 

[RyanDG]

Regardless of anything else (and I know I've made my views on the subject pretty well known in this thread), this thread really does come across as a conservative's wet dream. Factional squabbles in the democratic party are the only chance that the republicans have for getting the white house (especially considering the horror show they have going on). It's a shame it has come to this... That the Black Lives Matter movement feels so disenfranchised by the democratic base that they are going after one of the supportive candidates in the field and that the candidate and his followers for one reason or another, can't articulate his position to a satisfactory resolution (and some have gone on to attack the movement rather than embracing the message). Hopefully this is just some early election hiccups and won't be indicative of a more significant divide in the liberal base.

 

[dave is ok]

You dismiss a disconnected group of people because of a single, small protest.

Except that this same exact thing happened a month ago too. And a protest isn't shutting down a rally that hundreds of people wanted to attend for your own self glorification under the guise of supporting a cause

 

[injurai]

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:



And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

Do you know enough to make that claim? I think she serious lacked tact over her own attempt to get a platform. That was after she upheaved Bernie. But I wouldn't in a thousands years start tearing her down as a person. She isn't the face of BLM, Bernie shouldn't seek affirmation of the BLM movement by placating her as his judge. We shouldn't tear her down for a single moment in her life. It's clear she was fighting for something good, it merely got off the rails and developed into her feeling victimized for not being allowed to speak. While everyone else just stood around with their thumbs up their asses.

Maybe it's time to take the issues seriously, and not every imperfect human that tries to contribute. Maybe it's time to see this event for what it is. Maybe it's time to not hold black people hostage until the movement is devoid of human err. Because that's exactly what this sort of angle to the situation is.

 

[neogaffer1]

I mean numerous so called haters in this thread have complimented the progress he's made on racial issues before and since. But let's just ignore that since it doesn't support your argument.

just because i'm making a joke about the people in this thread who've been saying he's only been talking about the economics of race doesn't mean i'm dismissing everybody who wants him to speak more about race relations in america

 

[NeoXChaos]

Regardless of anything else (and I know I've made my views on the subject pretty well known in this thread), this thread really does come across as a conservative's wet dream. Factional squabbles in the democratic party are the only chance that the republicans have for getting the white house (especially considering the horror show they have going on). It's a shame it has come to this... That the Black Lives Matter movement feels so disenfranchised by the democratic base that they are going after one of the supportive candidates in the field and that the candidate and his followers for one reason or another, can't articulate his position to a satisfactory resolution (and some have gone on to attack the movement rather than embracing the message). Hopefully this is just some early election hiccups and won't be indicative of a more significant divide in the liberal base.

The party will be fine. When push comes to shove next November the Democrats will be united around a single candidate(Hillary) against whoever the eventual Republican nominee will be.

 

[deli2000]

just because i'm making a joke about the people in this thread who've been saying he's only been talking about the economics of race doesn't mean i'm dismissing everybody who wants him to speak more about race relations in america

Fair enough.

 

[genjiZERO]

I really don't get what this was trying to achieve. The whole thing is a double loss of utility too because it makes both Sanders and BLM look bad.

 

[Sane_Man]

Do you know enough to make that claim? I think she serious lacked tact over her own attempt to get a platform. That was after she upheaved Bernie. But I wouldn't in a thousands years start tearing her down as a person. She isn't the face of BLM, Bernie shouldn't seek affirmation of the BLM movement by placating her as his judge. We shouldn't tear her down for a single moment in her life. It's clear she was fighting for something good, it merely got off the rails and developed into her feeling victimized for not being allowed to speak. While everyone else just stood around with their thumbs up their asses.

Maybe it's time to take the issues seriously, and not every imperfect human that tries to contribute. Maybe it's time to see this event for what it is. Maybe it's time to not hold black people hostage until the movement is devoid of human err. Because that's exactly what this sort of angle to the situation is.

Look at her fucking t-shirt and idiotic pose.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Except that this same exact thing happened a month ago too. And a protest isn't shutting down a rally that hundreds of people wanted to attend for your own self glorification under the guise of supporting a cause

It's a shame to see people trying to define what protesting is allowed to be. Like the only thing that's even remotely relevant to whether it's a "valid protest" is who is being protested, but perspectives and all that shit. Protesting IS shutting down a rally that hundreds of people wanted to attend, and to many people, tons of protests we now regard as valid were looked upon as invalid.

 

[shintoki]

The party will be fine. When push comes to shove next November the Democrats will be united around a single candidate(Hillary) against whoever the eventual Republican nominee will be.

Not really. Idiocy like this is exactly what causes a party to be more divided. Hillary isn't half as well liked as Obama.

 

[Trey]

Regardless of anything else (and I know I've made my views on the subject pretty well known in this thread), this thread really does come across as a conservative's wet dream. Factional squabbles in the democratic party are the only chance that the republicans have for getting the white house (especially considering the horror show they have going on). It's a shame it has come to this... That the Black Lives Matter movement feels so disenfranchised by the democratic base that they are going after one of the supportive candidates in the field and that the candidate and his followers for one reason or another, can't articulate his position to a satisfactory resolution (and some have gone on to attack the movement rather than embracing the message). Hopefully this is just some early election hiccups and won't be indicative of a more significant divide in the liberal base.

Hardly. Only way GOP can take advantage of the situation is embracing the black community.

And we all know if that's never going to happen, so it's much ado about nothing.

 

[hohoXD123]

This is the second time that people have tried to point out this kind of hypocrisy. Is it prejudiced? Perhaps. However, it's not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be being okay with violence against white people based on their skin colour. Making fun of white people getting angry at what they did - and that is, indeed, what they did - is in a completely different spectrum from what they're talking about.

So they simply want to end violence against black people and not racial prejudice against them in general?

 

[Kinyou]

Well I mean, someone DID just dismiss an entire, often disconnected movement for literally no other reason than a single protest.

So is BLM actually not in support of this protest? I mean depending on if they do or not you can come to some conclusions.

 

[A Link to the Past]

So they simply want to end violence against black people and not racial prejudice against them in general?

The movement was born of society-approved violence against POC. Comparing punching-up to punching-down is silly. Prejudice against white people by POC is, in all likelihood not going to affect white people unless they take the griping personally.

 

[dave is ok]

So is BLM actually not in support of this protest? I mean depending on if they do or not you can come to some conclusions.

They shut down their subreddit with a message saying "Fuck Bernie Sanders"

 

[A Link to the Past]

They shut down their subreddit with a message saying "Fuck Bernie Sanders"

And then later clarified that they were mad at members of his fanbase that were harassing people in BLM and should probably have complained about them instead. Gotta keep updated on the subject if you want to talk about it.

Also, the SR isn't shut down, it's private. And IIRC, it was always private.

"They" also didn't "shut down" anything. The SR is literally there to talk about BLM.

Jeez, almost every single thing you said in your post was factually incorrect!

 

[Aiustis]

I wish BLM took a more aggressive stance rather than waste of time "look at me protests"

 

[Skellig Gra]

Lol, did you just compare male circumcision to female genital mutilation?

Bruh they are both genital mutilation.

 

[Good Job Bob]

They shut down their subreddit with a message saying "Fuck Bernie Sanders"

They changed the message since, according to a mod for the Sanders subreddit both subs were being raided by neo-nazis and such:

Mod of /r/SandersForPresident, here.
I spoke with their mods directly. Last night, their community and ours was brigaded very heavily with racist vitriol all over the place. These racists were posing as Bernie Sanders supporters, so the mods of BLM thought it was originating from our subreddit.
I explained the situation, and they were VERY receptive and friendly. The drama lasted all of 30 minutes.

 

[injurai]

Look at her fucking t-shirt and idiotic pose.

Ah, I hadn't even read it. Well I'll certainly say it was obnoxious how eager she was to claim harm and foul at the stage manager trying to introduce them and explain the move to relinquish the mic so as to empower their voice. Where instead she had to act like nobody would give her a voice and kept interrupting. Just shameless. Of course the guy dragged it onto long and played into it. The shirt certainly corroborates the type of activist she is. Vehemently disagreeable and not looking for cooperation. I'd urge anyone who is serious about such movements to look for inclusion wherever possible.

 

[Indicate]

They shut down their subreddit with a message saying "Fuck Bernie Sanders"

from /r/SandersForPresident

[–]Vermonty_PythonMayor Quimby [score hidden] an hour ago
They were brigaded with a lot of racism and couldn't handle the trafic. We were brigaded too.
I reached out to their mods and we've found common ground. They just reacted in the heat of the moment and thought the bigotry was coming from us. I assured them that we were banning and removing our own share of bigotry and hatred as well.

[–]Vermonty_PythonMayor Quimby 9 points 2 hours ago
Yes to both questions. /r/BlackWomen got brigaded too. Admins are investigating.

 

[UltimaPooh]

"If we don't scream at people about how wrong they are and about how great Bernie is, Bernie will never live!"

Sorry! Bernie supporters are poison. Especially those who unironically declare BLM dead because of a single group of protesters.

Are you just trolling again?

Or are you being serious.

You're basically doing the same thing.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Are you just trolling again?

Or are you being serious.

You're basically doing the same thing.

So Sanders supporters can claim that "one bad apple spoils the bunch", but it's not okay to point out that this mindset validates the idea that Bernie's fanbase is toxic?

 

[Black-Wind]

This lashing out at the whole of BLM is yet another great example of the laziness of the human mind.

It fascinates me that people can witness the actions of a few trollish people attaching themselves to a movement and find logic in thinking that they rep the whole.

Ya know, one of the frustrating things about being black in America is that ... people are just so willing to look at something you do an use it as a means to discredit the whole. Same likely goes for Mexicans I guess but I'm not Mexican so I can't say.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

This lashing out at the whole of BLM is yet another great example of the laziness of the human mind.

It fascinates me that people can witness the actions of a few trollish people attaching themselves to a movement and find logic in thinking that they rep the whole.

Ya know, one of the frustrating things about being black in America is that ... people are just so willing to look at something you do an use it as a means to discredit the whole. Same likely goes for Mexicans I guess but I'm not Mexican so I can't say.

Yup, same for us (Mexican dude here).

 

[UltimaPooh]

So Sanders supporters can claim that "one bad apple spoils the bunch", but it's not okay to point out that this mindset validates the idea that Bernie's fanbase is toxic?

It's not okay to do either.

 

[dave is ok]

Jeez, almost every single thing you said in your post was factually incorrect!

Like when you said this was a single event and an effective form of protest!

 

[hohoXD123]

The movement was born of society-approved violence against POC. Comparing punching-up to punching-down is silly. Prejudice against white people by POC is, in all likelihood not going to affect white people unless they take the griping personally.

Whether prejudice against white people will affect them or not is irrelevant here. If you agree that the photo is prejudiced, and that they are against racial prejudice then there's hypocrisy here, otherwise the argument is that they are perfectly fine with racial prejudice outside of violence which is silly.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Like when you said this was a single event and an effective form of protest!

*points out that you literally are saying things that are proven to be untrue by doing nothing more than reading the thread*

"YOUR MOM"

Nice job. Now, can you stop posting about things you know nothing about?

Whether prejudice against white people will affect them or not is irrelevant here. If you agree that the photo is prejudiced, and that they are against racial prejudice then there's hypocrisy here, otherwise the argument is that they are perfectly fine with racial prejudice outside of violence which is silly.

How is it hypocritical to punch-up while criticizing people who punch down?

 

[werks]

Bruh they are both genital mutilation.

...


ok

 

[A Link to the Past]

...


ok

Is there a reason why you entirely ignored that I was talking about trans people? Is it that you're just trying to be outraged, and don't want to acknowledge when it turns out that your outrage is because you constantly assume that people are saying things that they didn't actually say?

 

[Aiustis]

I have white tears shirt...

 

[nilbog21]

Welp, i'm impressed at how a couple of idiots have rendered the entire movement into a joke

 

[dave is ok]

Welp, i'm impressed at how a couple of idiots have rendered the entire movement into a joke

Occupy Wall Street sends their regards

 

[PopeReal]

When loud ignorant people are headlining your movement looking loud, ignorant, and classless that's the message it sends to everyone else.



I don't see the comparison here.

So you support police killing and getting away with it?

Sorry but just because you don't like how the message is being delivered by some doesn't mean you can't support the message. That is fucking dumb and the main reason why nothing is going to change at this rate.

No one should have to convince you between right and wrong. Stay focused on what is happening (and been happening).

 

[A Link to the Past]

Welp, i'm impressed at how a couple of idiots have rendered the entire movement into a joke

Eh, I'd say it's more than a couple, but I agree: Bernie Sanders supporters are making it frustrating to be a Bernie Sanders supporter.

 

[Zornack]

How is it hypocritical to punch-up while criticizing people who punch down?

"Punching up" isn't an excuse racial prejudice.

 

[A Link to the Past]

"Punching up" isn't an excuse racial prejudice.

No, it's a thing that differentiates. Complaining about black people from a place of privilege is different than complaining about white people without privilege. It has different implications and effects.

 

[Fenderputty]

Occupy Wall Street sends their regards

I brought this up earlier too. While it's true this incident isn't representative of the BLM movement as a whole, it doesn't matter. It was also ttrue that the kids wearing guy Fawke masks weren't representative of what the occupy movement stood for, but it was painted that way regardless.