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But her shirt didn't predate her words. In this situation, people were mad about what she said and then used the shirt to justify getting more mad.
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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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But her shirt didn't predate her words. In this situation, people were mad about what she said and then used the shirt to justify getting more mad.
Aaronology
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Can we please stop with this? It's like people who immediately cry antisemitism when people criticize Israel. You do understand it's possible to take issues with BLM and still give plenty of fucks about black people being the target of police brutality, right?
And I have yet to see anyone state those specific Bernie protesters represent all of BLM. At the very least I have not myself. But I also recognize the need to immediately state, "nope, sorry, that shit ain't cool" and not seek ways to justify what they're doing simply because they look like me.
But the movement will fall flat without some white support. A politician would be great support to make changes. Especially one with the civil rights history and voting history of Sanders.
Sign
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I can't say why they've chosen Mr. Sanders for their protests. Maybe they don't know his record, maybe they do and it is not good enough, or maybe he has been the only one they could get to... it doesn't really matter though, because they are here now.
And that isn't a bad thing! I think the reason people are upset with his reaction to these protests is because they are expressing very real grievances that align with his politics! They are there giving him a chance to double-down and speak out.
BLM: Can you hear us?
Sanders: Yes, I can.
Are they frustrated and angry? Sure. But, that anger is looking to be directed. These protests are literally asking him, "Are you the guy we should go with"? And though most of us here would say, "Of course". He needs to be the one to say this, but more importantly, he should want to say it. Every time they ask, he should want to say it louder.
So, he should wait for them to finish. And, when the security shows up, he should tell them to hold on. When the crowd gets restless or unruly he should signal for them to be patient. Because though this other individual is speaking, they are saying what he believes. And, when they finish, he should tell them he is committed to continuing this fight as he has been doing his entire life. He should apologize to the crowd for the interruption, but this is an issue he believes deeply in and that he is sure they would agree on its importance. He then should invite the activists to his other rally. He gives them a front row seat, apologizes to the crowd for his late appearance, and uses it as a jumping off point to speak to a crowd of 15,000 the problems people of color in this country face. And that if elected president he will do everything in his power to make this country a better place to live for everyone.
The moment he finishes his rally, he finds out who runs the local chapter of the activists BLM and gets in contact with them. He, with their help, can contact other areas throughout the country and starts the process of doing rallies not entirely dedicated to affluent white liberals. Even if he has already begun this process, look to them for help. Be a man of the people.
He can still be proactive about this. It may not get him the nomination, but that doesn't mean his presidential run can't be the most honest, and earnest campaign ever run.
And that isn't a bad thing! I think the reason people are upset with his reaction to these protests is because they are expressing very real grievances that align with his politics! They are there giving him a chance to double-down and speak out.
BLM: Can you hear us?
Sanders: Yes, I can.
Are they frustrated and angry? Sure. But, that anger is looking to be directed. These protests are literally asking him, "Are you the guy we should go with"? And though most of us here would say, "Of course". He needs to be the one to say this, but more importantly, he should want to say it. Every time they ask, he should want to say it louder.
So, he should wait for them to finish. And, when the security shows up, he should tell them to hold on. When the crowd gets restless or unruly he should signal for them to be patient. Because though this other individual is speaking, they are saying what he believes. And, when they finish, he should tell them he is committed to continuing this fight as he has been doing his entire life. He should apologize to the crowd for the interruption, but this is an issue he believes deeply in and that he is sure they would agree on its importance. He then should invite the activists to his other rally. He gives them a front row seat, apologizes to the crowd for his late appearance, and uses it as a jumping off point to speak to a crowd of 15,000 the problems people of color in this country face. And that if elected president he will do everything in his power to make this country a better place to live for everyone.
The moment he finishes his rally, he finds out who runs the local chapter of the activists BLM and gets in contact with them. He, with their help, can contact other areas throughout the country and starts the process of doing rallies not entirely dedicated to affluent white liberals. Even if he has already begun this process, look to them for help. Be a man of the people.
He can still be proactive about this. It may not get him the nomination, but that doesn't mean his presidential run can't be the most honest, and earnest campaign ever run.
I would absolutely vote for him.
What does looking for it have to do with the issue? Those protesters were actively rejecting the support, not just 'not looking' for it.
I just found it weird that a few months ago a decentralized hashtag twitter movement was being raked over the coals because the people involved wouldn't take responsibility for actions that came out of the movement, citing 'a few bad apples' and you cannot govern a decentralized movement for impunity.
In reference to the comment I was replying to, the shirt should be taking as offensive and is screwing up the protester's argument as much as her ridiculous actions.
theignoramus
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Why do whites need to be soothed and cajoled and gently prodded about black lives mattering as if the concept is inherently revolutionary and dangerous?
That "softly softly gentle now"strategy has been employed for decades anyway and its produced pretty meager returns.
Aaronology
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Wow. Well... ok.
Earlier in this thread you were constantly telling people this protest was to get Bernie to understand the issues and he was simply doing a horrible job at responding. At least you've finally admitted that was the bullshit people were correctly calling it pages and pages ago.
Everyone seems to be accused of being like gamersgate today
Wait, then why are they going to white Bernie Sanders?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That shirt is not representative so the idea of black lives matter, and that you think it is shows how little you think of it.
I think the thing people overlook regarding this is that people who are hurt and angry aren't always looking to converse or recruit allies; sometimes they just want to vent and while I wouldn't rock that shirt, I understand the feelings behind it. This is a country where people used to have picnics under the swinging corpses of black people. Black people are disproportionately killed by police and institutional racism is real and deadly.
There are people in the thread who have said the shirt doesn't bother them, maybe you should ask them why.
... Where did I say that?
This is a shitty dichotomy to use to cloud an already opaque discussion. Apparently not shitting on someone before voicing a grievance is just way too much effort.
I mean, you could even call someone out. "I'm really tired of all this bullshit and I would like you to listen to me." Even that would be fine. Wearing a shitty shirt and making a trolly offensive post is stupid, and a basic way to shit up your own movement.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
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Ah, Sunday evening news.
Seriously dude? This whole thread has been full of people basically declaring BLM over because of the actions of these women alone. That's without going out into the rest of the internet which also has a bunch of it.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The hashtag was coined by Adam Baldwin and Gamergate is being perpetuated by a readily identifiable group of people, including John Bain aka TotalBiscuit, Milo Yiannopoulos, Forbes contributor Erik Kain, YouTubers thunderf00t and Sargon of Akkad, #notyourshield creator Jason Miller, and a few others.
That you would compare BLM to an organized campaign of sexist and racist harassment designed to drive women and social commentary out of games and the games industry says a lot.
PhoenixDark
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Good luck with that, in terms of actually garnering policy victories.
I agree there are certain issues that I don't really care for (most) white opinions on, but when it comes to actual progress you can't find many successful political movements in this country that weren't coalitions.
This has nothing to do with being gentle. It has to do with getting someone to listen, doesn't matter the race.
Sorry, my intention was more so wanting to contrast the reactions to similar rhetoric that has resulted from controversial actions (I'm not trying to make a spectrum of controversiality either) from both movements.
legacyzero
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So uhhh... What ARE you looking for exactly? What's the End Goal in all of this? If harmony between all races isn't your answer, well, that's pretty concerning.
A Link to the Past
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The rhetoric is less valid in one because the people who often say "GamerGate can't control the ne'er-do-wells" are either the ne'er-do-wells or are people who support the ne'er-do-wells. GamerGate is far less a disorganized movement than they like to say it is.
From what I gathered people in here are mostly stating him BLM and ut's message is tarnished or muddied. Not doomed or dismissable. Just hurt in their eyes.
Bernie support not white support. Frankly I'm tired of white support. Sick of it, you might say. It's cloying, annoying, and hardly bouying. I want some of that colonel Sanders support now. I've moved on. lolololol.
I do enjoy the posts that essentially say "well white people aren't going to support you if you keep being so rude". As if. As. If.
That train is never not late.
Subpar Spatula
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Having Bernie Sanders do more is telling him he needs to understand. It's broad, but it's there.
An end goal isn't really stated. They want him do these things but then they add more (as already shown). BLM isn't asking Hillary to bow down or releasing press statements about her.
Let's just all agree, sure, he can make his policies and ideas more visible. Now let's take a step back and examine the situation and see where the contention comes from:
Bernie Sanders has been championing policies and critical of ideas, policies, and procedures that have affected minorities. His voting track record demonstrates this. It's just seen as bizarre by a lot of people that THIS is their target for protests. Why is he the target? What is there to gain from protesting Bernie Sanders? What will Bernie Sanders offer minorities that he already doesn't?
I'm not comparing how the movements started, who their leaders were, or what they stood for. I'm comparing how both movements have handled criticism for actions using the same rhetoric and how this community has responded very differently to same response.
A Link to the Past
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Yet again, people who denied responsibility for the actions of GG members often were doing the same things that they claimed to decry.
If you're trying to make that argument then why would it have been hypocritical of her to support violence against white people as you previously mentioned? Surely the same argument can be applied to that considering the rates at which POC are targeted and killed compared to white people. Sounds like you keep adapting your arguments to support this girl needlessly.
Big Green Anus
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Have to disagree with you regards to not looking for white support. Some members went to Sanders and O'Mally rally for support, which most of the attendees of the rallies were white.
A Link to the Past
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Summarizing the idea that "punching up" means that you would be okay with racially influenced violence perpetuated against white people is really silly.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I'm guessing you missed the part where apologies were issued by groups that had been active for more than a few days then
Again, the message is that police should stop killing with impunity.
If people are worried that the message can be hurt or should be presented in a way they are comfortable with, nothing is going to change.
This is right vs wrong. I understand that people hate black/white issues and like being in that gray middle area. But that gray middle area is not helping change anything. People sitting on the fence are just continuing to allow the same things to happen over and over again.
I am frustrated beyond belief that the message needs to be packaged up nicely with a bow for people to get on board.
They were there looking for support from the people that make laws, not new hashtags. That they just so happen to be white is just a surprising coincidence. We're not begging white people for support. We're telling the supposed "bosses" and those who want to become the 'Boss' that they need to have a palaver if they want to sit at the table in peace.
Labelling something which I'm not even saying as really silly is one way to avoid answering the question I guess.
So BLM groups actually apologized for the protest?
Good Job Bob
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Yeah, obviously not all, but some did.
A Link to the Past
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What are you talking about? The only thing I have said on the matter is that punching-up and criticizing those who punch down is not hypocritical. Of course it's not okay to want violence to occur to people based on their skin colour. Being more okay with punching up than punching down doesn't mean that I'm more okay with violence against white people than I am against black people.
Honestly, it's getting ridiculous that this thread is perpetuating itself as a thread of accusations. I've been accused of:
A. Supporting Hillary (lol)
B. Being sexist wrt FGM (lol)
C. Being sexist wrt circumcision (lol)
D. Encouraging violence against white people (lol)
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It was posted several pages back (on mobile and kind of inconvenient to search)
Then I'm surprised that the protest was so defended by some here.
DrForester
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I keep thinking more and more what Bernie could do, but I can't imagine there's any good way to tell a big group of people they're fucking idiots and protesting a Bernie Sanders rally is about as useful as staging a protest about how much Fox News sucks, at the Democratic National Convention.
A Link to the Past
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Not everyone on that side is necessarily in support of the protest and/or how it was conducted. There have been varying degrees of "support" - supporting why someone would be angry, taking issue with the idea that it's not a real protest because the target isn't a valid target for it, etc.
I did miss this, so thank you for bringing it up.
White tears is much funnier than it is provocative for this reason:
You're basically just telling us you're a spunk gargler.
You're basically just telling us you're a spunk gargler.
I get you. Doing nothing is siding with the status quo, in this case with the wrong thing that keeps oppressing black people to various degrees. However I think that you can get your message accross and not looking bad for those who want to support you. You can see the big bunch of negative reactions to BLM now. At netroots the protesters only disrupted and didn't give Sanders any chance to talk. At least let him talk without keepibg disrupting him or else you look like using him simply to satisfy your thirst.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's that binary thinking mayne
Having anger is understandable but the type of shit that went on isn't doing anything and as you can see in the thread causes people to write off BLM wholesale. People like Deray McKesson who actually get things done and use common sense don't need these half-ass flailings going on in the periphery.
tears are clear though. And historically they have been collected in small bottles, and possibly drank. Semen is opaque, and impossible to sip.
Crumpet Trumpet
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dont fuck with jon stewart or bernie sanders the cac liberal icons girls
otherwise u hurting ya own community by not bowing down
otherwise u hurting ya own community by not bowing down
Sorry man, white tears means jizz. Tell the chick in the t-shirt that you can't sip cock-snot.
No, I don't think this is what anyone is saying.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Since Gamergate was brought up, the girl on the right of that image was their most vocal female member
#tangent
#tangent
We're all BLM today folks. Unless we're not.
if you know of any jizzes of the consistency of tears, I tell you, you know of a man who needs to eat less fiber and more fat.
Lachrymal refreshment has been in existence since before the days of Rome. And it didn't come in gloppy splatches either.
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