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[lednerg]

Live stream from Bernie's rally tonight in Portland (it's rewindable):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2K8R76cD4

His press secretary said right up front that in case there is a disturbance tonight, the crowd's response should be "We stand together."

 

[Indicate]

Live stream from Bernie's rally tonight in Portland (it's rewindable):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2K8R76cD4

His press secretary said right up front that in case there is a disturbance tonight, the crowd's response should be "We stand together."

I posted this in my thread already

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1081447

 

[FiggyCal]

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:



And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

I don't know if I'd call that racist. But it for sure is hilarious. People are getting really worked up about this on reddit.

 

[werks]

Live stream from Bernie's rally tonight in Portland (it's rewindable):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2K8R76cD4

His press secretary said right up front that in case there is a disturbance tonight, the crowd's response should be "We stand together."

Wow, Symone went straight for Hillary's jugular by asking which candidate would shut down the private prison industry.

 

[dehydratedbabies]

I'm impressed with Symone Sanders right now and I think that this is an excellent response.

 

[stufte]

I'm impressed with Symone Sanders right now and I think that this is an excellent response.

Yep she was super awesome!

 

[Boke1879]

This is it. Hilary now needs to release some sort of criminal justice reform now that O'malley and Sanders released one.

At the start of this rally. Bernie really threw down the gauntlet.

 

[CygnusXS]

Ignore Bernie for a second. How can you look at this racist shit:



And not immediately be angry that these people are hijacking, warping and misdirecting a legitimate cause? Maybe it's time to take a step back from the Us vs Them bullshit and actually look at the stuff you're so quick to defend.

lol

 

[Merc_]

A lot of us Bernie supporters are overtly defensive to the point of being self defeating. But it mostly stems from desperation i assure you. I can say that a majority are not closet racists, infact the opposite.

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

 

[lednerg]

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

Yeah, that article is ridiculous. Sam Seder, a contributor for RoF, came out against it on Twitter when asked. I'm interested to see what he says on Monday about it on Majority Report. Same goes for the rest of the people there.

 

[FiggyCal]

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

I'm really disappointed by that article. I actually like that website a lot.

 

[werks]

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

What a coward, why not sign your name to your words.

 

[Bodacious]

.....

The wealth gap between White and Black households is absurd. White households have 13 times more wealth at the median. Ignoring race, the bottom 40% owns .2% of the wealth. The bottom 60% (which includes the so-called "middle") owns 4.2% of the wealth.

....

Which always makes me wonder why there isn't more effort made to push the idea of taxing wealth. Not that our income tax system isn't broken, but even if you fix it those top 5% of wealth-holders will still be sitting on the mountain.

 

[exmachina64]

Do we know of any BLM activists running for office in the upcoming elections? It's probably too soon in most races, but I'm just wondering.

 

[dave is ok]

Do we know of any BLM activists running for office in the upcoming elections? It's probably too soon in most races, but I'm just wondering.

Are you going to go to their town halls and scream over them?

 

[Opto]

White tears are delicious, not racist

 

[exmachina64]

Are you going to go to their town halls and scream over them?

No, legitimately asking.

 

[A Link to the Past]

White tears are delicious, not racist

White privilege is being able to drink your own tears

 

[Cagey]

White tears are delicious, not racist

Well, as I was saying earlier: not racist, but a sign of immaturity and stupidity, among other things. At least silly things like that provide easy forum screening.

 

[devilhawk]

John Oliver oddly enough made a semen = tears joke tonight.

 

[DrForester]

Any other Final Fantasy fans read through this thread, see BLM, and just start thinking a bunch of wizards are about to get into a fight?

 

[dehydratedbabies]

No, legitimately asking.

That's not what this thread is about.

White privilege is being able to drink your own tears

We should be able to deliver bottled hot white tears to dehydrated babies.

Any other Final Fantasy fans read through this thread, see BLM, and just start thinking a bunch of wizards are about to get into a fight?

That's what this thread is about.

 

[Odrion]

Any other Final Fantasy fans read through this thread, see BLM, and just start thinking a bunch of wizards are about to get into a fight?

the last time I thought that was when I was watching the republican debate

 

[Merc_]

Hahaha, they're doubling down.

https://www.ringoffireradio.com/201...ogressive-movement-and-bernie-destroyed-read/

We at ROF will not sit by silently and appease people we believe are wrong, even when they are part of a group that we so strongly support and want to rise up from their plight. We are going to speak the truth, and we are going to yell. Please remember we are angry at the imbalance of power and wealth in this country, and the fact that way too many are living in poverty, and without proper food, shelter and health care, when we are the richest country in the world. We are going to speak out against injustice, even when the injustice it being perpetrated by those we wish to defend.

We have been doing this since our inception, and we never are going to change.

Won't stay silent, but won't dare sign their name. Lovely "allies".

 

[bishoptl]

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

Hahaha, they're doubling down.

https://www.ringoffireradio.com/201...ogressive-movement-and-bernie-destroyed-read/

Won't stay silent, but won't dare sign their name. Lovely "allies".

lol

Bernie come get your people

 

[Timedog]

LOL, what the fuck is this? They sound insane.

Also, the audio on the livestream of the portland speech is muted because of some stupid copyright claim (wonder if it's dubious?). I had to work and couldn't go to the rally. Is there any links with audio?

 

[BennyBlanco]

I really don't get what this was trying to achieve. The whole thing is a double loss of utility too because it makes both Sanders and BLM look bad.

I don't think Sanders has looked bad throughout any of this.

 

[lednerg]

Hahaha, they're doubling down.

https://www.ringoffireradio.com/201...ogressive-movement-and-bernie-destroyed-read/



Won't stay silent, but won't dare sign their name. Lovely "allies".

I wouldn't say "they" are doubling down until we hear from the hosts themselves, not some anonymous writer, working during the weekend. I know contributor Sam Seder is not on board with it, for example (nor would I expect him to be). That article is flat-out weird coming from that site. I want to know wtf is going on there.

 

[Merc_]

lol

Bernie come get your people

The fun doesn't stop there.

https://www.ringoffireradio.com/201...s-for-african-americans-not-blacklivesmatter/

"Look! This black guy agrees with us! We aren't racist!"

 

[Timedog]

Okay, I'm late to the thread and don't have time to read 33 pages. I'm sure someone posted a synopsis of what happened and the reasoning behind everything. The speech interruption seems insane, and the ring of fire articles seem like they were written by conspiracy theorists--like there's a weird self-important paranoia going on there. I can't really get a handle on anything. If anyone knows where to find the summary, please link me dudez/dudettez.

 

[Splatterpunk]

In addition to the expected diet racism, dudes on reddit are absolutely frothing at the mouth over that white tears shirt. Completely losing it over basically what amounts to a "u mad?" shirt.

 

[FiggyCal]

I wouldn't say "they" are doubling down until we hear from the hosts themselves, not some anonymous writer. I know contributor Sam Seder is not on board with it, for example (nor would I expect him to be). That article is flat-out weird coming from that site. I want to know wtf is going on there.

I like Sam Seder a lot. Whoever it was had to have known it was a bad idea and that's why the author didn't reveal hid or her name. I hope it wasn't the bald guy though. I like him.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Okay, I'm late to the thread and don't have time to read 33 pages. I'm sure someone posted a synopsis of what happened and the reasoning behind everything. If anyone knows where to find the summary, please link me dudez/dudettez.

The actions of a few people (which were already apologized for) at an event where Bernie Sanders had a few minutes to speak have sullied and discredited the entire Black Lives Matter movement (in the eyes of people who were assuredly into it initially) but Sanders supporters brigading and harassing unaffiliated people is not representative of Sanders supporters at all.

 

[moered6]

I dunno about that.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-blacklivesmatter/

I've been seeing a lot of shit similar to this article coming out of the mouths of his supporters. Truly, it is only through Bernie that our people might be saved from ourselves.

fucking amazing, our true savior Bernie

 

[soleil]

So first, Bernie is protested at Netroots Nation for not having non-economic plans to battle racism, even though he had made some non-economic proposals before.

Then the criticism becomes that he hasn't talked about them enough.

So he talks about it more, specifically saying Sandra Bland's name in several speeches.

Then Seattle BLM puts out a post #BowDownBernie accusing him of being silent on Sandra Bland and not having a real plan.

Bernie's people took all his non-economic proposals and put them in an easy-to-find, easy-to-read place.

Now he's being criticized for not controlling the speech of every person claiming to support him.

Meanwhile, the candidate polling with highest support from the black community not only hasn't put forth a plan as detailed as his, but she was a giant proponent of the "tough on crime" policies that led to the very problem we're facing.

Free pass for Hillary. Moving goalposts for Bernie.

 

[UrokeJoe]

Incredible. Good luck.

 

[lednerg]

Okay, I'm late to the thread and don't have time to read 33 pages. I'm sure someone posted a synopsis of what happened and the reasoning behind everything. If anyone knows where to find the summary, please link me dudez/dudettez.

From what I understand:

Two women from a group called Outside Agitators 206 in Seattle decided to crash a Medicare/Social Security rally on behalf of #BlackLivesMatter, interrupting a speech by Bernie Sanders he was invited to give. The event organizers initially said they'd let them speak after Bernie, whose time was limited (he had his own rally to get to). The women were adamant, promising they would "shut it down" if they didn't get to speak right then and there. Bernie spoke to the main organizer and gave them the opportunity to say what they wanted to.

They covered topics of police brutality and gentrification in Seattle as well as calling the audience "white supremacist liberals," to much chagrin, and then they demanded 4.5 minutes of silence for the hours Michael Brown spent uncovered in the street (this was the 1 year anniversary of the shooting). The crowd was a mixture of annoyed yet compassionate, ultimately doing as they were told. When Bernie approached the podium, the women screamed at Bernie's face, giving him no chance at any reasonable dialog. Seeing that he was already going to be late for his next rally, and how completely unreasonable the women were being, he had no choice but to leave, which he did.

People are saying he "should've done more" but I don't know what. It was a lose-lose situation.

 

[UrokeJoe]

Evil come get your bishop. I'm out.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Now he's being criticized for not controlling the speech of every person claiming to support him.

Yet both sides can be accused of doing exactly that. To many, BLM's value and integrity is based on whatever people who use the group that they don't like. Including what seems to be a pretty prominent far-left website. Why are you acting like this is something that is only happening to Sanders supporters when there are people talking about how BLM has lost all of its integrity, when a website is telling people that BLM is bad for minorities?

 

[SenorArdilla]

From what I understand:

Two women from a group called Outside Agitators 206 in Seattle decided to crash a Medicare/Social Security rally on behalf of #BlackLivesMatters, interrupting a speech by Bernie Sanders he was invited to give. The event organizers initially said they'd let them speak after Bernie, whose time was limited (he had his own rally to get to). The women were adamant, promising they would "shut it down" if they didn't get to speak right then and there. Bernie spoke to the main organizer and gave them the opportunity to say what they wanted to.

They covered topics of police brutality and gentrification in Seattle as well as calling the audience "white supremacist liberals," to much chagrin, and then they demanded 4.5 minutes of silence for the hours Michael Brown spent uncovered in the street (this was the 1 year anniversary of the shooting). The crowd was a mixture of annoyed yet compassionate, ultimately doing as they were told. When Bernie approached the podium, the women screamed at Bernie's face, giving him no chance at any reasonable dialog. Seeing that he was already going to be late for his next rally, and how completely unreasonable the women were being, he had no choice but to leave, which he did.

People are saying he "should've done more" but I don't know what. It was a lose-lose situation.

That's very helpful. Thanks for the summary.

 

[moered6]

some Bernie supporters remind me a hell of alot like Ron Paul supports back in 2012

 

[A Link to the Past]

some Bernie supporters remind me a hell of alot like Rand Paul supports back in 2012

Ron Paul you mean?

 

[lednerg]

I like Sam Seder a lot. Whoever it was had to have known it was a bad idea and that's why the author didn't reveal hid or her name. I hope it wasn't the bald guy though. I like him.

Yeah, I'm truly baffled by that. Who in the fuck thought that was a good idea? And to do it on behalf of all the staff? Guess I got some good drama waiting for me next week on that front.

 

[moered6]

Ron Paul you mean?

oops thats right, hard to keep track of the racist cunts

 

[Merc_]

So first, Bernie is protested at Netroots Nation for not having non-economic plans to battle racism, even though he had made some non-economic proposals before.

Then the criticism becomes that he hasn't talked about them enough.

So he talks about it more, specifically saying Sandra Bland's name in several speeches.

Then Seattle BLM puts out a post #BowDownBernie accusing him of being silent on Sandra Bland and not having a real plan.

Bernie's people took all his non-economic proposals and put them in an easy-to-find, easy-to-read place.

Now he's being criticized for not controlling the speech of every person claiming to support him.

Meanwhile, the candidate polling with highest support from the black community not only hasn't put forth a plan as detailed as his, but she was a giant proponent of the "tough on crime" policies that led to the very problem we're facing.

Free pass for Hillary. Moving goalposts for Bernie.

I love how every time Sanders supporters get criticized, they deflect onto Hillary.

Remember, those women represent all of BLM, but Sanders supporters are all individuals and can't answer for each others behavior.

 

[bishoptl]

Free pass for Hillary.

I've been tryin' to get down to the Heart of the Matter
But my will gets weak
And my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore

I love how every time Sanders supporters get criticized, they deflect onto Hillary.

If BLM supporters were up in her RL mentions, I guarantee not one of these hand-waving concerned citizens would give a shit.

Remember, those women represent all of BLM, but Sanders supporters are all individuals and can't answer for each others behavior.

*cough*

 

[Boke1879]

So first, Bernie is protested at Netroots Nation for not having non-economic plans to battle racism, even though he had made some non-economic proposals before.

Then the criticism becomes that he hasn't talked about them enough.

So he talks about it more, specifically saying Sandra Bland's name in several speeches.

Then Seattle BLM puts out a post #BowDownBernie accusing him of being silent on Sandra Bland and not having a real plan.

Bernie's people took all his non-economic proposals and put them in an easy-to-find, easy-to-read place.

Now he's being criticized for not controlling the speech of every person claiming to support him.

Meanwhile, the candidate polling with highest support from the black community not only hasn't put forth a plan as detailed as his, but she was a giant proponent of the "tough on crime" policies that led to the very problem we're facing.

Free pass for Hillary. Moving goalposts for Bernie.

After his disruption in Seattle Bernie put up "Racial Justice" as one of his platform points with detailed info. Hilary will now have to do the same. Before his rally before he spoke one of his campaign managers spoke about BLM and he did as well before his speech.

People may disagree with the actions but more visibility is good.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I've been tryin' to get down to the Heart of the Matter
But my will gets weak
And my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore

Why did I know this Bryan Adams song right away-_-

 

[UrokeJoe]

Why did I know this Bryan Adams song right away-_-

cough

Try again.

 

[lednerg]

Tonight, at the start of his record-breaking rally in Portland, Bernie's campaign press secretary Symone Sanders told the audience that in case there were any disruptions, the message would be "We stand together." There were no disruptions.