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Henley, Adams, it's all the same
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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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Henley, Adams, it's all the same
#musiciantears
Anyway, police just shot someone in Ferguson, so time to switch lanes
And_Gignac
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Some Bernie supporters are actually ex Ron Paul supporters. And some of them are quite prone to be racially ignorant. A really sad affair but Sanders has no control over it.
But thankfully they are just a tiny fraction of his supporting base, just like the two protesters do not represent anything but themselves and a very extreme, small, super charged ideologically part of left politics.
How is Martin fucking O'Malley showing up The Leader Blacks Need on the importance of implementing a racial justice plank into his campaign? Didn't both these guys get lit up at NetRoots?
I wonder why he's not getting interrupted?
I wonder why he's not getting interrupted?
I don't think you can call someone who was a Sarah Palin & GOP supporter till last month a leftist.
Now it all makes sense, why the Seattle BLM page just got made 2 days ago and why there isn't any indication of her participating in BLM before.
Bernie did just that in today's rally, and had it up on his webpage also. As for why O'malley isn't getting interrupted, probably hired all his zero tolerance buddies from Baltimore to keep BLM away.
dehydratedbabies
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I don't understand this post.
And_Gignac
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Oh really? didnt catch out on that development. I guess extremes meet? lol
Do you really believe O'Malley would be anywhere near as big a champion for these issues as president as Sanders would?
Really?
SenorArdilla
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Easily convinced with pleasing rhetoric, obsessively zealous, and emotionally-driven with the belief that everyone is against them?
That should be the takeaway here. I know I don't have any ill will towards BLM because of this, and I doubt most reasonable Bernie supporters, Seattleites, or Democrats do either. At worst, this was a couple of passionate, yet misguided activists with salient points, grabbing the limelight when they could. There's been nothing from BLM's official social media about what happened, at least nothing I've been able to find. Same goes for the overzealous people speaking out against BLM on behalf of Bernie - they don't actually speak for Bernie or his campaign.
Neat. O'Malley had this up at the end of July. Today is August 9th.
Highly telling that you went straight to "his cop friends kept those loud blacks away" as opposed to "he learned from NetRoots, met with members of the community and made the appropriate changes to his platform posthaste".
You people are in for such a rude awakening and it's going to be so good
I see one politico learning how to earn and the other resting on his laurels, refusing to provide specifics. I know who's going to be easier to hold accountable, and it isn't The One Sent To Save Us If We'd Just Shut Up Already
i guess his question is How is the former mayor of "B-More Careful" who helped implement policies that probably got people killed managing the imagery on this better than the guy who marched with King. Not saying that he would be better on the issue, but that Bernie needs to knock some of the rust off if he's serious about this thing.
You people?
That page on Bernie's site was based on a speech he gave for the SLCL in July, where he brought up all those points. It's a good listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8TwjW4cv0
Sanders did a week before that:
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-addresses-southern-christian-leadership-conference/
And at the same event:
https://berniesanders.com/statement-of-senator-bernard-sanders-to-the-national-urban-league/
Obviously the message wasn't getting heard much outside where he gave the speeches, summarising it on his site will help.
Yes, O'Malley and Hillary are both running a tighter ship than Sanders. Their messaging is better attuned and reacts to changes faster. Still doesn't change the fact that their records are abhorrent. It's pretty telling that slicker messaging is more important than action that resulted in "Zero Tolerance" in Baltimore and "3 strikes and you are out" nationwide.
I'm not in for a rude awakening, I know sanders is a long shot. You might be in for a ruder awakening when Hillary realizes after the election that her private prison lobby buddies are more important that BLM.
And_Gignac
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Yeah. Sanders speech is while correct in the realities it pictures, inflammatory, so it attracts that type of mentality.
Bernie was about to push for the $15mw debate during those days. I guess he didnt want both issues to overlap.
I sincerely believe you are falling for the trap of misrepresenting Sanders because of their ugly supporters. Dont fall for that. His campaign problem was putting the message through the right channels. He obviously lacked the experience coming from a pure white state, but he has worked wonders to right his failures.
O'Malley is getting literally no media attention. That's probably the main reason why. Hilary, Bernie, and speculation as to whether Biden will run are the only things that are getting attention on the democratic side and Hilary isn't even campaigning right now. So if you wanted to get your message out, it only make sense that you would protest against a candidate that's getting the most attention which will help you spread your message. If O'Malley was getting attention then I'm sure they would stage more protests against him.
This could be applied to pretty much any political group. People are sensitive about their politics and their candidates. It only becomes an issue, apparently, when it's a candidate who is likely to lose that gets this sort of support.
Why did the thread title never get changed? It's my understanding that the people involved in this incident acted on their own and are loosely, if at all, involved with the local, organized BLM movement. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Funny because all I see in O'Malley is an opportunist who reacted extremely quickly, and intelligently, to try to move the needle for his ailing campaign. O'Malley's record as governor on these issues speaks for itself and, for that matter, so does Bernie's. My problem with comments like these is I don't understand why one politician who has been horrible on these issues in the past putting up a plan quickly is something to praise but another who has championed these causes his entire life not reacting as quick is something to heap scorn on.
I know damn well who I trust more on these issues and it is not O'Malley or Hillary Clinton.
dehydratedbabies
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What post was deleted?
Bookmarked for tomorrow - but nobody has answered my question yet.
Martin fucking O'Malley (I refer to him because I'm full aware of his policies in Baltimore and how they've disproportionately affected minorities, the poor and disenfranchised) is kicking the crap out of I Marched With MLK on an issue that should be a home fucking run. How is this happening? I don't see O'Malley supporters wailing about lusty-throated Negroes post-NetRoots.
Personally, I find the idea that the guy whose backers like to throw out his protest bonafides like they're playing Vanguard shudder at that same element of protest being used by those same obsidian-hued people 50 years later.
His supporters are making a much longer shot than it needs to be. That's not up for debate.
And_Gignac
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Good. Reddit has been a disgusting shitshow today. Really sad to see how some people will unleash their suppressed racial stupidity as soon as they feel a little justified by other people´s (the 2 protesters in this case) not so great behavior.
Sanders is not taking advantage of the absurd precedent set in place by the Citizens United decision. He gets his money for his campaign directly through non-anonymous donations. This principled stance of his has left him at a disadvantage politically, as he lacks the well-seasoned and expensive image makers of his opponents. His campaign is entirely grassroots in the purest sense of the word.
Someone posted a link to the picture of Marissa Jenae where she talks about being a Sarah Palin supporter. Deleted.
I replied to it. Deleted.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Posting pictures of average citizens' real name social media is probably not the best idea. Especially in a case like this when people are already brigading/harassing
It's pretty apparent that some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge the double standard that Bernie is being held to. The poster calling the comparison to Hillary a "deflection" is proof of that. He doesn't want people talking about Hillary because it's obvious she doesn't live up to what is being expected of Bernie.
Correct, this is why posts were deleted.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Maybe I'm blind, but O'Malley doesn't seem to have anything addressing the BLM concerns on his website, and the article you linked is far from what I would consider to be specifics on the issue. (Edit- scratch that, I found it. Damn you mobile web browser!)
O'Malley was saying "white lives matter" during the netroots incident and seems to have wisened up since. Good for him, but "most improved" doesn't equate to MVP. Now, I absolutely don't think Bernie deserves the BLM vote just because he's the best choice. Candidates should work to be the ideal choice for a constituency they wish to win over. Between the detailed page on his site about racial justice, his voting record, what he's been saying in stump speeches and Symone Sanders working as his press secretary, I see no argument that O'Malley has put forth a more comprehensive plan of action and his record in Maryland suggests that he's a "tough on crime" blue dog
Edit- to your question: how is this happening? I honestly don't see any evidence that it is. I see a guy, O'Malley, who got called out on stage and afterward added some platitudes to his campaign which, due to his history, don't deserve to be considered more than platitudes. Maybe I'm missing something, but how has he dealt with this better? If the evidence is that he hasn't been interrupted since, I would argue that's because only one candidate would offer a person looking for an audience a crowd of thousands of people, and it's not Martin.
It's murky, best I can tell BLM didn't have an organised presence in Seattle. The older Facebook page that issued the apology was just run by a 16yo kid, who retracted it and changed the name of his page.
The protestors were a group called Outside Agitators 206 based in Seattle, who did it under the name of BLM and who say on the new Facebook page there will be a BLM Seattle chapter in the fall.
The protest was more a launch of BLM Seattle than a criticism of Sanders, who had already been addressing the issues in their press-release they claimed he had been silent over.
LAUGHTREY
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Are you sorting by worst or something? Whenever people talk about how reddit is terrible I go to /r/all and try to find it, but I don't see it or have to dig really deep before I start finding the racism/sexism. Otherwise that shit gets downvoted pretty hard pretty fast.
The entire site has like 5 million unique pageviews or something a day, that shit isn't 100% moderated, nor is it niche.
bishop clearly has an anti-Bernie agenda for some reason I can't understand. He's not holding other candidates to the same standard he holds Bernie to.
And_Gignac
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He is an afterthought at this point, to be honest. I dont think he has rallied up bases like Sanders has.
And well, Sanders is already doing it. I mean he has already being doing it in all of his speeches, calling for police accountability for instance. There was racial myopia in his campaign, that cannot be denied ,and yes, he has not promoted a bill by himself (I think, once again, because he already had the $15mw plan set up and lack of monies to be more organized), but is not like he ignored the issue altogether. He hasnt before or after.
I really feel like Sanders was blind sided by all of this. That may speak to the people he has around him, or perhaps he overestimated what his voting record as well as political activism record would mean, but regardless, any time I see a picture of him dealing with these protests I'm struck by how utterly confused and possibly lost he seems. Here's the thing too... I'm a huge Sanders supporter. I would love to see the guy get the general election. I also believe that Sanders - if people would look at his history in the senate, what he has said hundreds of times on the matter, and all of the other support that speaks to what kind of candidate he is - could easily deal with the situation if he could find a way to open an actual dialog with the Black Lives Matter movement. However, anytime he has sought to point out racial injustice, it either gets ignored (willfully or not - I don't know), or he is told its 'not enough'.
Maybe that's the case.
Maybe what he changed on his campaign site to expressly post what he wants to do about racial justice will begin to let people see what his beliefs are... I hope that's the case. Because Sanders really seems lost in the face of these protests, and unfortunately - even as a Sanders supporter - I think at least half of that is his own fault. A record only goes so far in this five second media, and Sanders - despite having the record long after marching with MLK including commenting on the Ferguson issues as they were happening, highlighting the problem with racial disparity in incarceration rates, and dealing with the lack of opportunities for black men - maybe needed to spell that all out again in a simple package for his potential constituency.
But with all of that being said - I still can't help but feel Sanders is targeted because he's an easy target. Which is understandable when you are trying to get your message across - it's easier to push over a supportive target. It's just a shame that it has turned into so much political infighting on the left.
There's also how this wasn't a "Bernie Sanders rally." It was a Medicare/Social Security rally in which he was invited to speak. His people weren't in charge of it. His involvement with the protest began and ended with his decision to let the demonstrators speak their mind.
And_Gignac
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There were four threads in /all a couple of hours ago talking about the protesters. A lot of ugly stuff with tons of upvotes. Go to /ShitRedditSays (not the best place, I know) and see for yourself.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I don't think bish is anti-bernie so much as anti-liberal racism. And it deserves to be called out. I have a lot of respect for Bish's hard line stance on bullshit, but I am curious as to how O'Malley is perceived to be dealing with this better.
I don't give a shit about Hillary dude. I'm just laughing at Bernie's supporters and how they deflect every time they get called out on shitty behavior. I understand that everything is a Hillary related conspiracy to you though.
I think that's a bit unfair. Bernie was slow to add racial issues to his message so I think its fair to criticize him on those grounds. Doesn't mean he's anti bernie, it justs mean he wants bernie to be more pro active about it.
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are you kidding? shitredditsays is a joke of a subreddit. A lot of people don't even understand how it's still allowed to be open. its like saying go to gawker for news. it cherrypicks the worst shit and paints it as the entirety of reddit, and you fell for it.
1) No, not everything is a Hillary-related conspiracy to me.
2) Comparing two candidates isn't deflecting. Deflecting is when you try to focus on something irrelevant to distract from a topic. Comparing Bernie to Hillary is fully on-topic, as the presidential campaign is the only reason Bernie is being talked about.
So I went back and re-read through begining few pages. Some of the wording in the protest is pretty interesting in hindsight.
Marissa Jenae describes herself as a Palin supporter and "Radical Christian Mullatanist."
In light of that, her accusations make a lot of sense.
How is a hardcore right wing christian activist representing BLM?
Marissa Jenae describes herself as a Palin supporter and "Radical Christian Mullatanist."
In light of that, her accusations make a lot of sense.
Typical right wing talking point of how progressives are the true racists.
How is a hardcore right wing christian activist representing BLM?
1) Slow to add a message versus being a proponent of the policies that served as a catalyst to the problems in the first place... one got called out and the other not.
2) The message has been added and I'm not seeing any change in his tone.
AlimNassor
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Sanders supporters are clueless, just like Sanders. Sanders marched with Dr. King, he should fucking know already what the black community wants and needs. All he has to fucking do is acknowledge BLM and their legitimate grievances against this country, that's all he has to do. We know o'malley, and Hil-dog are corporate drones, no fucking shit but, at least they know how to target the black community. A man that marched with Dr. King should be held to a higher standard.
LAUGHTREY
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If you've noticed, I haven't posted a single thing about Bernie himself. Everything I've said has been about his supporters and yet Hillary keeps coming up as a response to it. Seems like deflecting to me.
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