Black man fatally shot by police in Los Angeles; Family says was lying down when shot

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starwarsfan541 said:
No, though defendgin a bad cop in the first place is subjective plus its kinda there job regardless
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There is nothing subjective about choking someone to death. Their job is enforcing the law, not making excuses or defending shit cops. The only good cops are the ones who don't break the law and don't protect the cops who do.

Carnby said:
The same amount of information that you have.
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No, you seem to be getting your information from your own prejudices.
 
I'll just say, while there are some bad cops who are scum and are definitely likely of doing this, and there should be an investigation oh hell yes, I'm not going to believe it automatically.

Just because someone says something, doesn't automatically make it true, and yeah it goes both ways.
 
starwarsfan541 said:
I have friends who are cops, fuck you, yes there are bad ones, but saying f them all is ridiculous
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When shit hits the fan and some racist cop shoots a civilian because he got looked at the wrong way, statistically speaking, your friends will back him up. Your friends will do nothing. Your friends' department will do nothing, and may even go as far as tampering with evidence to cover their asses.

Your friends department will then release an asinine statement about an "officer involved shooting" where "a gun fired ten times and its bullets lodged themselves in the victim's skull and lower abdomen," noting that "investigations could take months"

This asshole will kill another innocent civilian because there is no accountability. Tell me, of what use are your good cop friends as...cops...then?
 
Enzom21 said:
There is nothing subjective about choking someone to death. Their job is enforcing the law, not making excuses or defending shit cops. The only good cops are the ones who don't break the law and don't protect the cops who do.
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I agree, choking someone to death is a bad cop, the scenario someone posted earlier in the thread is what I am responding too

The New York choking was definitely a bad cop who should be tried etc

I cant call the MO police bad as I dont believe either side is honest and will wait for more info in this case
 
KidGalactus said:
In the meantime, people are being gunned down like dogs.

My feeling is that saying "in time things will change" (or any similar thing) is meant to deal with this sort of nonsensical action by offering up the possibility that in some theoretical future things will be different, when there is no guarantee that they will.

It is patently absurd, and I also feel that it is designed to deflect any actual engagement with what is pretty clearly still a real issue.

Nothing ever gets better by putting off reaction and discussion until the magical day when the issue is no longer a problem. Partially because that day might never come, and partially because when people that should know better say things like this, it makes it ok (for them and others) to feel alright about doing, and saying nothing.
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I get your argument, but saying all blacks should be protected is not the right kind of thinking. I personally cannot think of a solution at the moment that would be effective in this. People are racist yes, but I believe they are a dying breed.
 
WaffleTaco said:
I get your argument, but saying all blacks should be protected is not the right kind of thinking. I personally cannot think of a solution at the moment that would be effective in this. People are racist yes, but I believe they are a dying breed.
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I only took issue with what I took to be a dismissive statement. I don't agree with that other statement, and I'm pretty sure it was a joke/satire.
 
Labor said:
You just can't help yourself can you
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Racists usually can't.
starwarsfan541 said:
I agree, choking someone to death is a bad cop, the scenario someone posted earlier in the thread is what I am responding too

The New York choking was definitely a bad cop who should be tried etc

I cant call the MO police bad as I dont believe either side is honest and will wait for more info in this case
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He killed an unarmed person, I would say that's a bad cop.
 
J10 said:
For what, they'll just ignore it.
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Talk to me directly if you are going to. You are saying all cops should get us different jobs. That is not productive. And then you post how changing your job is easier than your race. Again not productive.
 
Carnby said:
The same amount of information that you have.
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So you're basing your argument that the kid's family is lying on the fact that US cops have quite the reputation for killing unarmed and disabled people for no good reason, with a particular bias for killing black males?

10/10 bait, got me to respond
 
youngplaya21 said:
Man, what is going on this week..... Not going to comment on this, because I'm biased as hell, but I just hope the truth comes out and justice is served.

I'm going to assume the worst tho
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This happens every day. What is going on every day? This country(USA) is messed up. No justice whatsoever.
 
These stories are becoming so common, it's not even shocking anymore. However this one is vaguer than usual. Why did the cops think this guy was the shooter? Was he armed? What do they mean by "he resisted"?

Heart goes out to the family regardless.
 
KidGalactus said:
I only took issue with what I took to be a dismissive statement. I don't agree with that other statement, and I'm pretty sure it was a joke/satire.
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I don't know Lime well enough to conclude if they were joking or not. I was just trying to say that I do no think it would work. I apologize if it was considered dismissive. I hate racism and I hate the mindset of people that mean it. I just do not know of a solution beyond time.
 
Boom Boom Pow said:
I think blacks are doing a good job exterminating one another even without the help of other ethnicity.

Take a look at Chicago's current death tolls as an example.
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Are you fucking KIDDING me with this shit?

This is what you have to say, given the current climate of police officers and "scared" whites (and hispanics, Hi George!) shooting unarmed, young black people? That's your observation?

How are you still posting here?
 
Chie Satonaka said:
Are you fucking KIDDING me with this shit?

This is what you have to say, given the current climate of police officers and "scared" whites (and hispanics, Hi George!) shooting unarmed, young black people? That's your observation?

How are you still posting here?
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I still want to know what happened with our posts in a certain affirmative action thread a while back

I don't forget anything, whoever's looking
 
WaffleTaco said:
Talk to me directly if you are going to. You are saying all cops should get us different jobs. That is not productive. And then you post how changing your job is easier than your race. Again not productive.
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Pay some motherfucking attention. I said his friends can get new jobs if his feelings are hurt by somebody yelling fuck the cops. I didn't say all cops should get different jobs.

You know why I said that? Because I don't give a fuck about his cop friends or his feelings. Nobody here does.

Me? When cops start exterminating blacks over candybars, my feelings get hurt. But I can't flippantly just tell blacks to change their race, problem solved, can I? And that's the difference. Cops are cops by choice, so if somebody's feelings are hurt by the phrase, fuck cops, I don't give a shit, the cops can go be something else and then feelings won't be hurt.
 
Team stopmilitarizingcops here, but testimony of relatives immediately after the event is always creamy bullshit. Same for neighbors of serial killers.
 
commedieu said:
Police aren't one big body. Fuck police means the shit bags. Get it through the heads of folks; the browns are aware of good law enforcement members. Mainly family.

Shitbag police are shitbag people. All people aren't bad, but there are shit bags. Does this dude want a pat on the back for doing his job? As a black man, I've heard all about good police from my father. A detective. This isnt news to anyone.

The blue line exists. The nypd choked a man to death and are prerending it didn't happen. Corruption is real.

Cool story bro!

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And even more terrifying because this cop is a real person that thinks this is some how above board. Or worth discussion.
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Completely agreed. If someone wants to sing the praises of some cop that helps them then wonderful. To expect praise for doing one's duty even in an equitable society is egregious and wrong headed. To even suggest such a dynamic in the presence of such abuse and dehumanization is downright insulting and deserves spite.

Also, cameras on police are a nice step but there absolutely needs to be audio recording too as cops will just point the things away from stuff they don't want seen. Even then it's nothing in the face of the current absolute institutional corruption that efficiently feeds black men into the meat grinder of the private prison loop. However limiting the convenience of murdering a young black male at an impulse level would be a nice baby step at least. =\
 
If carpenters had a reputation for building staircases that collapse and crush people I'd be yelling fuck carpenters. I won't give a fuck if you father, mother, best friend is a carpenter. They can go be something else and then I won't be talking about them.
 
Sàmban;125117846 said:
No fucking sympathy. Fuck all cops. Even the good ones are part of the problem; you never hear them speak out about things like this.
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Oh fucking please. It's because if they do speak up they will get fucking canned and become a black sheep.
 
Resisting, but no officers hurt and no mention of a deadly instrument on his person...

Dat death stare?

TheLostBigBoss said:
Oh fucking please. It's because if they do speak up they will get fucking canned and become a black sheep.
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I'm not a "fuck all cops" guy, but that is some weak reasoning. People are dying from terrible police habits, and we should't criticize those complicit because they may lose their jobs? Is Godwin necessary, or is the problem with that reasoning clear to you now?
 
J10 said:
Pay some motherfucking attention. I said his friends can get new jobs if his feelings are hurt by somebody yelling fuck the cops. I didn't say all cops should get different jobs.

You know why I said that? Because I don't give a fuck about his cop friends or his feelings. Nobody here does.

Me? When cops start exterminating blacks over candybars, my feelings get hurt. But I can't flippantly just tell blacks to change their race, problem solved, can I? And that's the difference. Cops are cops by choice, so if somebody's feelings are hurt by the phrase, fuck cops, I don't give a shit, the cops can go be something else and then feelings won't be hurt.
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I find it offensive to you saying, "fuck cops." Also the fact that you are saying nobody cares about his cop friends are or his feelings, just proves you are disconnected from this because it's on the internet! Would you really be saying for his friends to get different jobs to his face? You are generalizing when you say fuck cops, and doing the exact same thing people do to blacks, which is how this racist shit starts!
 
plantedunicorn said:
I saw that too, they're going to try to frame this story as "Oh he was in a gang, so we were just cleaning up the city by shooting up an unarmed man"

What the hell does shooting an unarmed man have to do with gang affiliation? Idiots.
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It might be customary to search for gang affiliations as an excuse for police murder. "He had it coming" and all that.
 
WaffleTaco said:
I find it offensive to you saying, "fuck cops." Also the fact that you are saying nobody cares about his cop friends are or his feelings, just proves you are disconnected from this because it's on the internet! Would you really be saying for his friends to get different jobs to his face? You are generalizing when you say fuck cops, and doing the exact same thing people do to blacks, which is how this racist shit starts!
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Black people don't arrest you for arguing with them.
 
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