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[Heisenberg007]

How so?

Just one quick example of why this data is absolutely unbelievable.

From the MS/ABK court case, we know that PC has the highest player count for COD. It goes like this: (Mobile) > PC > PS > Xbox.



And there were, what, ~3 million PC Game Pass subscribers the last time we had that data?

So we're saying that:

1. BO6 is the best-performing COD in 10 years (which means there would be more than 17.5 million PC players, proportionately speaking)
2. And half of those PC players played the game on Game Pass? That'd be, what, ~9 million PC Game Pass players?

This just doesn't add up.

If it were true, Microsoft would shouting these numbers off the rooftop, and COD BO6 would have single-handedly revived Game Pass and became one of the biggest-ever success stories.

 

[adamsapple]

1. BO6 is the best-performing COD in 10 years (which means there would be more than 17.5 million PC players, proportionately speaking)
2. And half of those PC players played the game on Game Pass? That'd be, what, ~9 million PC Game Pass players?

That 17.5 includes Warzone, which is free for everyone.

 

[kaizenkko]

"Best performing" is not best sales. And obv more Xbox players are playing the game than Playstation gamers because it is a free download for 20+million on Xbox gamepass. More Xbox gamers are not buying the game, obv. Way less are because its on Gamepass

Also, the PC gamepass portion is the real number to watch out for. 50% is huge if true. That is what the concern was inside of Microsoft about putting it on Gamepass. That PC gamers would just get it for 10$ on Gamepass and then unsubscribe the next month

Saying all those things who appease Xbox fans sounds biased to me. Can be true, but I doubt.

 

[GHG]

Reading, how does it work?

Console and PC points are listed separately.

I'm questioning the validity of what we're reading thank you very much.

That 6m million (Xbox) existing (or new) gamepass subscribers who wouldn't normally buy COD have tried the game this weekend? I don't see that being too far fetched personally.

Based on the 8% (xbox) and 16% (playstation) figures shared in this thread, the number of xbox players would likely have needed a ~100% increase over previous years. I'll leave that up to you guys to determine how feasible or not that is.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Suuuuure am jealous

We know.

 

[clarky]

Just one quick example of why this data is absolutely unbelievable.

From the MS/ABK court case, we know that PC has the highest player count for COD. It goes like this: (Mobile) > PC > PS > Xbox.



And there were, what, ~3 million PC Game Pass subscribers the last time we had that data?

So we're saying that:

1. BO6 is the best-performing COD in 10 years (which means there would be more than 17.5 million PC players, proportionately speaking)
2. And half of those PC players played the game on Game Pass? That'd be, what, ~9 million PC Game Pass players?

This just doesn't add up.

If it were true, Microsoft would shouting these numbers off the rooftop, and COD BO6 would have single-handedly revived Game Pass and became one of the biggest-ever success stories.

Not saying its not bullshit but i dont think its a stretch that 9million people played on gamepass PC.

I gave away 5 codes myself on here the other day for example. Every ultimate sub gets 5 14 day codes to give away.

When was the 3 million figure? Might give us some more perspective.

 

[NickFire]

I want to know Nadella’s unfiltered view of how successful this has been in week 1.

 

[clarky]

Based on the 8% (xbox) and 16% (playstation) figures shared in this thread, the number of xbox players would likely have needed a ~100% increase over previous years. I'll leave that up to you guys to determine how feasible or not that is.

Thats very feasible considering how many people on xbox have gamepass and there were 'only' around 6 million of them playing COD when they had to pay for it

 

[adamsapple]

I want to know Nadella’s unfiltered view of how successful this has been in week 1.

We'll find out when he gets another 60% increase in his salary next year.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

So when they unsubscribe the next month, how exactly are they going to be able to keep playing the game ?

You think the playerbase for COD remains the same one month after launch? Millions of gamers play the game only for the campaign or a few weeks of the multi-player before moving on

bigger numbers on Steam as well though, looks like a win win for MS if all this is true. Short term at least.

The game is the best reviewed COD, with major enhancements to gameplay and game modes. I think it sold well everywhere. Microsoft should be able to use the Playstation sales as a control group to calculate whether longterm it is worth it to keep it on Gamepass

There are many other factors as well. Maybe people on Gamepass will be more inclined to buy micro transactions because they didn't buy the game? How many people bought an Xbox for COD? All of that will play out in next couple months

 

[fudgybrownie]

We know.

Jealous of what exactly? I don't even play COD anymore.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Jealous of what exactly? I don't even play COD anymore.

Good question, maybe if you elaborate on your reply we would know.

 

[adamsapple]

The game is the best reviewed COD, with major enhancements to gameplay and game modes. I think it sold well everywhere. Microsoft should be able to use the Playstation sales as a control group to calculate whether longterm it is worth it to keep it on Gamepass

All very valid points.

- This is the best reviewed CoD in a long while
- And it is sitting on top of pretty much all the platform charts, or at least it was as of yesterday. Haven't checked today. (Steam, PSN, XBL, even Amazon).

We will probably get official PR in a few days, since it's been only 4~ days since the game officially released.

 

[fudgybrownie]

Good question, maybe if you elaborate on your reply we would know.

I mean it's pretty obvious. That x account says one thing than says another. I'm waiting until Jez reports since he's always right!

 

[Bond007]

Gotta wonder how many people played it just cause they already have the sub or simply subbed to try it for a minimal cost.
Id be curious to see the drop off in the coming month vs actual continued users on other platforms.

 

[Horseganador]

Extas1s should be a banned source on the forum, the guy lies more than he talks.

 

[GHG]

Thats very feasible considering how many people on xbox have gamepass and there were 'only' around 6 million of them playing COD when they had to pay for it

So you're assuming there's going to have been a 6 million increase in daily COD users on Xbox while the daily users on playstation remains static despite it being a launch period?

 

[willothedog]

Well done Xbox, such an achievement. Keep on winning

 

[SportsFan581]

Who knows if the data provided is accurate or not, but to those thinking that Xbox couldn't surpass PS on engagement it simply isn't true. In fact it is borderline silly to think that it couldn't.

Nowhere near 100% of console players play CoD at launch. What % of PS players typically play CoD at launch 5%, 10%, 15% etc. It's easy to see where the game being on GP could have greatly increased the share of total Xbox players that tried the game out to 40, 50, even 60%.

 

[sainraja]

It might be too early to reach any sort of conclusions but it does look like, that game pass was a factor in some people deciding to play COD, and my take is, right now anyway, that its people that likely would have ignored it otherwise. Still good for the series. There could be more to this, of course.

Seems high but will be confirmed in the coming days either way.

I will say don't under estimate the shy contingent who want a good campaign and a good PvE mode for 'free' on their existing subscriptions. Helldivers 2 was an amazing success at retail purely because of PvE.

Amd like alluded above, this probably counts players who just opened COD, saw HQ and uninstall

What is HQ?

 

[NickFire]

All very valid points.

- This is the best reviewed CoD in a long while
- And it is sitting on top of pretty much all the platform charts, or at least it was as of yesterday. Haven't checked today. (Steam, PSN, XBL, even Amazon).

We will probably get official PR in a few days, since it's been only 4~ days since the game officially released.

And that’s before Nuketown returns on Friday. That’s gonna turn some more heads too. But still, I don’t think we should trust their PR even when it comes to hitting their own metrics. We know the game is going to be a top game with engagement out the butt. What matters is did they hit Nadellas actual goals for it. Too many instances of PR and non-pr diverging in recent years IMO.

 

[clarky]

So you're assuming there's going to have been a 6 million increase in daily COD users on Xbox while the daily users on playstation remains static despite it being a launch period?

I am, going of the numbers in the OP. I didn't say it wasn't bullshit, just saying it's entirely possible.

Howany ultimate subscribers are there on console ?

I think it was rumoured to be 80% of gamepass users? So whats that 26 million ultimate subs on console?

I dont think its that far fetched that half of those at least tried COD at the weekend.

Edit: Where does it say playstation was static? I know boxed sales are in the Uk, but it doesn't mention that here?

 

[sainraja]

Thats very feasible considering how many people on xbox have gamepass and there were 'only' around 6 million of them playing COD when they had to pay for it

This is going to have an influence for sure. People that are already paying for game pass, why won't they play COD if the game is added to it? COD is still a big series and most of these people likely played it at some point.

 

[AJUMP23]

I would like to thank all the PlayStation buys for funding the Xbox.

 

[chromatic9]

I could see a lot of game pass subscribers checking the game out, key thing is whether they stick with it and how many new subs and mtx it generates or gp upgrades. Existing subscribers were already onboard paying so it's a lost sale from those that were going to buy it had it not appeared and others are curiosity downloads that will gladly check out a huge title but weren't going to buy it separate.

I've not bought a COD game, ever but sure would check it out, much like I downloaded battlefield 3/4 demos.

 

[Ronin_7]

All of this sounds like bullshit. lol

Yup.

 

[Trogdor1123]

What are the gamepass numbers on Xbox? We could probably crunch this backward fairly realistically

 

[rodrigolfp]

Just one quick example of why this data is absolutely unbelievable.

From the MS/ABK court case, we know that PC has the highest player count for COD. It goes like this: (Mobile) > PC > PS > Xbox.



And there were, what, ~3 million PC Game Pass subscribers the last time we had that data?

So we're saying that:

1. BO6 is the best-performing COD in 10 years (which means there would be more than 17.5 million PC players, proportionately speaking)
2. And half of those PC players played the game on Game Pass? That'd be, what, ~9 million PC Game Pass players?

This just doesn't add up.

If it were true, Microsoft would shouting these numbers off the rooftop, and COD BO6 would have single-handedly revived Game Pass and became one of the biggest-ever success stories.

That graphic includes more than 1 CoD. Mobile is there and there is no BO6 on mobile.

 

[GHG]

Howany ultimate subscribers are their on console ?

I think it was rumoured to be 80% of gamepass users? So whats that 26 million ultimate subs on console?

I dont think its that far fetched that half of those tried COD at the weekend.

If you're basing that on the 34m figure that's all subscribers, across both Xbox and PC.

I dont think its that far fetched that half of those at least tried COD at the weekend.

Even if that were to be the case, thats not the only factor in all of this. The number of playstation active users would also need to remain static or decrease at the same time.

 

[baphomet]

This guy doesn't know shit, and we know he doesn't know shit.

So why does his stuff get posted?

 

[clarky]

If you're basing that on the 34m figure that's all subscribers, across both Xbox and PC.


Even if that were to be the case, thats not the only factor in all of this. The number of playstation active users would also need to remain static or decrease at the same time.

3m PC gamepass subscribers at the last count, I accounted for that. i was thinking 30 on console, if things have remained static.

Why? They could have gone up, which males the OP less plausible, but still possible.

Like i said not saying this guy isn't full of shit but its not that far fetched. Can we agree on that at least?

 

[GHG]

3m PC gamepass subscribers at the last count, I accounted for that. i was thinking 30 on console, if things have remained static.

Why? They could have gone up, which males the OP less plausible, but still possible.

Like i said not saying this guy isn't full of shit but its not that far fetched. Can we agree on that at least?

Well I think he's full of shit and it's far fetched.

 

[Mr Moose]

Why do people keep using this rando as a source?

 

[clarky]

Well I think he's full of shit and it's far fetched.

We'll find out soon enough.

Engagement tweets are in the post.

 

[hemo memo]

Its actually good For The Players too.

Ftfy

 

[rm082e]

Not saying its not bullshit but i dont think its a stretch that 9million people played on gamepass PC.

I gave away 5 codes myself on here the other day for example. Every ultimate sub gets 5 14 day codes to give away.

Seriously?

If they're just giving subs (temporarily) away for free, then I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers balloon. That just moves the goalpost out a while longer then. When they stop giving it away for free, how many people remain subscribed?

 

[adamsapple]

Well I think he's full of shit and it's far fetched.

For what it's worth, you didn't post in that other Existas topic I referred to in the last page, so you're one of the good one's

 

[MMaRsu]

Nice its a pretty cool game

 

[clarky]

Seriously?

If they're just giving subs (temporarily) away for free, then I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers balloon. That just moves the goalpost out a while longer then. When they stop giving it away for free, how many people remain subscribed?

Yes its always been a thing, ive just had them lying around for a while. Obviously the subs you give away don't generate 5 codes as well.

Gamepass penetration is very low on PC, thats where there main growth will come from, if at all.

 

[Mr Moose]

For what it's worth, you didn't post in that other Existas topic I referred to in the last page, so you're one of the good one's

I called out his bullshit before when he made shit up about Wukong. He's farming Twitter for $.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Not saying its not bullshit but i dont think its a stretch that 9million people played on gamepass PC.

I gave away 5 codes myself on here the other day for example. Every ultimate sub gets 5 14 day codes to give away.

When was the 3 million figure? Might give us some more perspective.

I don't exactly remember how old that data was, but it wasn't that old. Maybe within the 12-18 month time-frame.

But, idk man, 9 million people is just ... too much. If it is true, we will be getting lots of data-driven official statements, because that'd mean PC Game Pass has grown by almost ~300% due to BO6.

Also, we have data coming in like this one.

Call of Duty sees 159% spike in Xbox players following Black Ops 6 Game Pass launch

Following the launch of Black Ops 6, the Call of Duty Xbox player count has risen by a whopping 159%, suggesting this year's COD is a hit with fans.

www.trueachievements.com

Does anyone really think that a 159% improvement (which includes Warzone, MW2, MW3, along with BO6), would be enough to overtake PlayStation COD players total?

Isn't logical.

 

[SeriousCrayon]

It is kind of mpossible more players on xbox only counting console.

Why? I'm one of those players that jumped from playstation to xbox for call of duty..I'm not their target audience of course because in the 2 plus decades I've been playing I've never spent a dime on any mtx in COD.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Ftfy

Its the same thing!!

But I agree, it doesn’t need fixing.

 

[Shane89]

More players on xbox compared to ps
Free game vs paid game.

Rocket science uh?

 

[clarky]

Does anyone really think that a 159% improvement (which includes Warzone, MW2, MW3, along with BO6), would be enough to overtake PlayStation COD players total?

Isn't logical.

159% improvement in xbox numbers does just that?

The article you posted says this: "the Xbox player count for Call of Duty HQ has risen by an impressive 159%". Seems to back up the claim by the OP if anything.

These were the CODHQ figures from last year.

 

[LordOcidax]

Not a good day for Playstation fanboys

 

[LordOcidax]

More players on xbox compared to ps
Free game vs paid game.

Rocket science uh?

Where i can grab the game pass ultimate for free?

 

[clarky]

Where i can grab the game pass ultimate for free?

I have one more spare code if you would like one. PC only

 

[SlimySnake]

Are they really counting PC gamers as "xbox players"?

They specifically said over half of the CONSOLE players were on xbox.

Gamepass has 30 million subscribers. Even if only 1/3rd of them installed the game, thats more than double what the PS5 sold on launch day.

 

[LordOcidax]

I have one more spare code if you would like one. PC only

Of course, thanks.