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[Ozriel]

Haven't Xbox user's got use to not buying games anyway

No? That was also silly forum console warz nonsense.
Games not on the service were being purchased by players. Nobody skipped Resident Evil Village or last year’s COD or whatever because of GamePass.

EA College football 25 sold very well on both PS and Xbox, lifting hardware sales for both.

 

[clarky]

I’m correcting you that we’ve long known the impact of GamePass on sales of an expensive AAA game.

Why change the context? The outcome - sales attenuation - was never in doubt. What new thing did we really learn?

What am i changing ? I said this?

Its the first indicator we have on how Gamepass is affecting sales of one of the industries biggest games.

I never said its the first indicator of how gamepass affects AAA games, you just made that up.

I said its the first indicator of how Gamepass has affected COD sales. Which it is. Im not sure why you want an argument.

The only thing you need to be correcting is yourself.

 

[Kvally]

Haven't Xbox user's got use to not buying games anyway

Most Xbox gamers buy games, lol. Not sure what you were thinking.

 

[Laptop1991]

No? That was also silly forum console warz nonsense.
Games not on the service were being purchased by players. Nobody skipped Resident Evil Village or last year’s COD or whatever because of GamePass.

EA College football 25 sold very well on both PS and Xbox, lifting hardware sales for both.

Not interested in your opinion!

 

[Laptop1991]

Most Xbox gamers buy games, lol. Not sure what you were thinking.

So gamepass has had no effect then on sales, at all.

 

[jm89]

Remember when starfield had those "amazing" player numbers?

And it did jack shit for gamepass growth long term.

Peperidge farm remembers.

We need to see if those numbers convert to gamepass growth, or it's game over for gamepass.

Cod doesn't grow it, nothing else will.

 

[Kvally]

So gamepass has had no effect then on sales, at all.

Who here said that?

Remember when starfield had those "amazing" player numbers?

And it did jack shit for gamepass growth long term.

Peperidge farm remembers.

We need to see if those numbers convert to gamepass growth, or it's game over for gamepass.

Cod doesn't grow it, nothing else will.

 

[Laptop1991]

Who here said that?

You said most xbox gamers buy their games so i'm asking you if gamepass has changed that, i only know what's been reported over the last couple of years

 

[adamsapple]

Who here said that?

Careful, he's gonna say he's not interested in your opinion.

 

[clarky]

Yeah it was everywhere but online Warzone mobile.

Call Of Duty: Warzone Mobile is a flop as more mobile spin-offs tank

Despite the success of Call Of Duty: Mobile and Warzone on console, the battle royale's mobile version has failed to catch on.

metro.co.uk

The rest of the franchise seems to be doing pretty well i guess.

Just warzone i think, cod mobile is much more than just that. I can't find numbers on how its doing right now but its in the store charts top ten.

 

[Kvally]

You said most xbox gamers buy their games so i'm asking you if gamepass has changed that, i only know what's been reported over the last couple of years

Actually, you said:

"Haven't Xbox user's got use to not buying games anyway"

You made the claim that Xbox users don't buy games. I never made that claim. MS confirmed that 10-15% of their content revenue comes from Game Pass, and don't ever expect to exceed that. The remaining is 85-90% that are not obtaining their content via subscription.

So where do you get your claim from that Xbox users aren't buying games, when in the real world, they are?

 

[DavidGzz]

I am playing the crap out of it and I would have never bought it. I think the extra Game Pass subs and people like me playing it when we wouldn't have at all and potentially spending money on micros will make up for the loss of game sales.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Years old port of Sea of Thieves outsold Stellar Blade quite handily, after you claimed it was going to flop.

It’s well known your takes on Xbox games are frankly bananas

Selling more than 1M isn't that much of an accomplishment.
Also, I dont care about Stellar Blade either.

Beside, I never said it would flop, I said it would probably sell decently at launch and then fall off, which is exactly what happened.

 

[clarky]

I am playing the crap out of it and I would have never bought it. I think the extra Game Pass subs and people like me playing it when we wouldn't have at all and potentially spending money on micros will make up for the loss of game sales.

Stop it with the sensible takes please.

 

[Esparadrapo]

No? That was also silly forum console warz nonsense.
Games not on the service were being purchased by players. Nobody skipped Resident Evil Village or last year’s COD or whatever because of GamePass.

EA College football 25 sold very well on both PS and Xbox, lifting hardware sales for both.

Players have a finite amount of time to play. Game Pass claims the lion's share for those subscribed. There's a point where you don't have time for either so you buy fewer games or use your subscription less.

It's also worth noting that most people have a life so with just one of them is more than enough. That's why Game Pass subscribers don't grow at all, those with lives question its worth and all the nolifers are already taken.

 

[Laptop1991]

Actually, you said:

"Haven't Xbox user's got use to not buying games anyway"

You made the claim that Xbox users don't buy games. I never made that claim. MS confirmed that 10-15% of their content revenue comes from Game Pass, and don't ever expect to exceed that. The remaining is 85-90% that are not obtaining their content via subscription.

So where do you get your claim from that Xbox users aren't buying games, when in the real world, they are?

Yeah because of the cheaper gamepass, i'm not having a go at your box, it's not hard to understand and doesn't need an argument, is there 20 to 30 million gamepass users or not, and of course it will impact sales. it doesn't matter the way i said it, you know what i mean.

 

[Kvally]

i'm not having a go at your box

My "box" is my PS5 (most played) and Series X. My Switch sits unused for years

 

[Astray]

Look it's honestly a simple question at the core of this:
"Will Microsoft make enough new subscribers and enough additional micro transactions from existing and new subs to offset the loss of +$70 purchases?" Or in other words, will this promotional maneuver make more incremental revenue to offset the cannibalization that it being on Gamepass will create?

Time will definitely tell, but I distinctly recall Tim Stuart referring to 1st Party games on the Xbox ecosystem being "high-margin" (because they get %100 of it with zero platform royalties), so even though the Xbox COD revenue is smaller than PS5, it should probably get a %30 boost in weighting for whatever commercial plan Microsoft does with it.

 

[Ozriel]

Remember when starfield had those "amazing" player numbers?

And it did jack shit for gamepass growth long term.

Peperidge farm remembers.

We need to see if those numbers convert to gamepass growth, or it's game over for gamepass.

Cod doesn't grow it, nothing else will.

Ah yes, the famous live service game Starfield.

 

[Laptop1991]

My "box" is my PS5 (most played) and Series X. My Switch sits unused for years

So what, that's irrelevant to what you originally quoted me for,, play what systems you like, it's none of my business.

 

[clarky]

Look it's honestly a simple question at the core of this:
"Will Microsoft make enough new subscribers and enough additional micro transactions from existing and new subs to offset the loss of +$70 purchases?" Or in other words, will this promotional maneuver make more incremental revenue to offset the cannibalization that it being on Gamepass will create?

I think everyone is aware of that mate, most people seem to think that answer is no.

 

[Ozriel]

Yeah because of the cheaper gamepass, i'm not having a go at your box, it's not hard to understand and doesn't need an argument, is there 20 to 30 million gamepass users or not, and of course it will impact sales. it doesn't matter the way i said it, you know what i mean.

You made the inane claim that Xbox players don’t buy games.

Meanwhile the majority of games released on Xbox aren’t on GamePass.

Players have a finite amount of time to play. Game Pass claims the lion's share for those subscribed. There's a point where you don't have time for either so you buy fewer games or use your subscription less.

It's also worth noting that most people have a life so with just one of them is more than enough. That's why Game Pass subscribers don't grow at all, those with lives question its worth and all the nolifers are already taken.

The goalpost always shifts.

Pretty sure I’ve seen claims that most people play only a few games on GamePass. Now it’s a claim that people are so busy playing games on GamePass that they don’t buy other games at all

In reality, people play games on GP AND non-GamePass games that catch their attention.

 

[jm89]

Ah yes, the famous live service game Starfield.

Why does live service matter here?

I'm talking about gamepass growth.

Yes you chose the perfect gif to represent what your doing right now.

 

[Mr Moose]

Physical game sales data....... Thinking that XBOX is 81% digital (and rising) that tells you how irrelevant the data is to draw conclusions about the "Gamepass effect".


I dont know where the interest is. Launching on Gamepass was going to mean a reduction in sales on Xbox, the question is to know if these will be compensated by the increase in subscriptions and spending on microtransactions by those who previously bought. And this will not be known until we have the complete data.

So it sold about 55k total or something in its first week? I am shit at maths.

 

[Three]

They lost 50% of the sales on xbox, transfer that world wide and its very significant.

Xbox is irrelevant to them. The real test is how much digital sales they might have lost on PC.

 

[Kvally]

So what

You brought it up, not me. I think we are done here, not taking the bait.

 

[Three]

Physical game sales data....... Thinking that XBOX is 81% digital (and rising) that tells you how irrelevant the data is to draw conclusions about the "Gamepass effect".


I dont know where the interest is. Launching on Gamepass was going to mean a reduction in sales on Xbox, the question is to know if these will be compensated by the increase in subscriptions and spending on microtransactions by those who previously bought. And this will not be known until we have the complete data.

The "and rising" is the only relevant part of your post because you're talking about a decline in sales, not in comparison to other platforms. If physical has declined 10% then digital is likely to have declined even more.

 

[Laptop1991]

You brought it up, not me. I think we are done here, not taking the bait.

No i didn't bring up your owned consoles, you did but ok whatever, fine by me

 

[DenchDeckard]

Huge on all platforms. That GamePass effect.

 

[Mr Moose]

Huge on all platforms. That GamePass effect.

I think that includes all CoDs (MW2/3/BO6 and Warzone).

 

[Esparadrapo]

Time will definitely tell, but I distinctly recall Tim Stuart referring to 1st Party games on the Xbox ecosystem being "high-margin" (because they get %100 of it with zero platform royalties), so even though the Xbox COD revenue is smaller than PS5, it should probably get a %30 boost in weighting for whatever commercial plan Microsoft does with it.

It's a zero sum. Whatever revenue CoD was making before the ABK buyout is the same now. Game Pass cannibalizing into that revenue is only worth it if growth is significant. Else, people will fixate on the lost revenue.

 

[BigLee74]

Can’t believe folk are in here harping on about Xbox losing 50% of Xbox sales as if MS are losing out.

Fact is, the vast majority of sales are on other platforms anyway, and guess who is now the primary benefactor of each and every one of those sales?

Finally, when all is said and done, MS will gain GamePass subscriptions from COD more than they will lose them.

I’m pretty sure they’ll be very happy with the figures.

 

[clarky]

Xbox is irrelevant to them. The real test is how much digital sales they might have lost on PC.

Going off the Steam CCU, not much. More players online than either MW2 or MWIII this last weekend.

The only way losing 3 million sales(estimated) is irrelevant to them is if they manage to significantly boost GP subs on the platform and keep them

 

[Ronin_7]

Going off the Steam CCU, not much. More players online than either MW2 or MWIII this last weekend.

This includes every Call of Duty game.

And Warzone.

 

[clarky]

This includes every Call of Duty game.

And Warzone.

I'm aware, although its not every COD just the last few and warzone.

But so did last years numbers and the year before. The CCU has never been lower than it was leading up to this launch. Its safe to say the boost in players has come from the release of BLOPS 6.

 

[pasterpl]

Not sure about significant. Xbox has the lowest player base by far out of all the platforms. Xbox accounts for about 8% of total cod players I believe.

You have forgotten to add that PlayStation is 2nd from the bottom (with an outstanding 16% of CoD players) just above Xbox, it is Mobile and PC leading the way.

 

[clarky]

You have forgotten to add that PlayStation is 2nd from the bottom (with an outstanding 16% of CoD players) just above Xbox, it is Mobile and PC leading the way.

Yeah but if we just say xbox 8% lol it sounds terrible and thats what we want right?

 

[Ozriel]

I think everyone is aware of that mate, most people seem to think that answer is no.

The real answer is that we don’t know.

Taking an opinion poll here doesn’t work, given how much of the responses are being made in bad faith.

Why does live service matter here?

I'm talking about gamepass growth.

Yes you chose the perfect gif to represent what your doing right now.

Why the heck would you then expect a single player game to guarantee long term GamePass growth?

Likening Starfield to Call of Duty is kinda wild.

 

[clarky]

The real answer is that we don’t know.

Taking an opinion poll here doesn’t work, given how much of the responses are being made in bad faith.

Of course the answer is we don't know but we are going to find out soon enough.

Thats why i find how all this will play out, absolutely fascinating.

Personally, I think its a massive gamble. I think most users just see lost sales, the picture is much much bigger than that.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Can’t believe folk are in here harping on about Xbox losing 50% of Xbox sales as if MS are losing out here.

Fact is, the vast majority of sales are on other platforms anyway, and guess who is now the primary benefactor of each and every one of those sales?

Finally, when all is said and done, MS will gain GamePass subscriptions from COD more than they will lose them.

I’m pretty sure they’ll be very happy with the figures.

You make a great point. They've gone from getting a 30 percent cut on 5.6 million users to 70-100% of 70 million daily active users.

 

[jm89]

Why the heck would you then expect a single player game to guarantee long term GamePass growth?

Likening Starfield to Call of Duty is kinda wild.

You mean game of the generation? The game people will be putting in 500 plus hours into? With regular DLC releases like shattered space that will get people back in droves.

Tell your xbros why they hyped it up to be the next coming.

 

[Thanati]

It’s on Gamepass.

It’s really not that difficult to comprehend.

 

[Mr Moose]

You make a great point. They've gone from getting a 30 percent cut on 5.6 million users to 70-100% of 70 million daily active users.

And thousands of employees.

 

[Kvally]

And thousands of employees.

With those employees, Activision alone makes over a half billion dollars per quarter in profit (on 2.2 billion in revenue). Like Minecraft (which paid for itself in less than a year), this is printing money for Xbox as well.

 

[mayham2199]

Goddamn that puts things into perspective. Mobile is huge. Consoles are just barely reaching 1/4th of the total CoD userbase.

Yea I had no idea that's insane.

 

[mayham2199]

Remember when starfield had those "amazing" player numbers?

And it did jack shit for gamepass growth long term.

Peperidge farm remembers.

We need to see if those numbers convert to gamepass growth, or it's game over for gamepass.

Cod doesn't grow it, nothing else will.

Yea it doesn't really matter how much GP grows initially. Even the Taketwo CEO said it will cause a temporary bump. Temporary being the key word their.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Years old port of Sea of Thieves outsold Stellar Blade quite handily, after you claimed it was going to flop.

It’s well known your takes on Xbox games are frankly bananas

 

[Horseganador]

COD sales on PS5 remain the same but drop a lot on Xbox, what a disaster if GP doesn't earn enough millions of subscribers.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Remember, they already seeded the new narrative™

I guess sales don't really matter

 

[Ozriel]

You mean game of the generation? The game people will be putting in 500 plus hours into? With regular DLC releases like shattered space that will get people back in droves.

Tell your xbros why they hyped it up to be the next coming.

None of this salty nonsense is of any relevance to this conversation. Starfield underperformed critically and landed with a much more muted performance with users than I’m sure they expected, but even so it’s a single player title. A lot of The people who were going to put 500 hours into it were more likely to buy it for modding purposes.

Call of Duty is an entirely different sort of game, and play habits and duration for a live service MP game with constant content drops is very different from an RPG. Using Starfield as an analogy for long term impact on GP subscription is quite brainless.

Hope this helps