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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever | Official Trailer

She developed the tech but she showed NO fighting ability! Chadwick actually had training to pull it off. Letitia hasn't. And she was blipped along with T'Challa. I don't think she'll be the new BP. Might actually be either Nakia or Okoye. I'd much rather it be a new T'Challa from the multiverse.
She just had two very brief encounters. Not saying this redeems her but at least we saw her use the gauntlets.



She will need a training montage or at least a line of dialogue that signifies she went through similar combat training as T'challa.
 

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I haven't seen the movie in forever, but I thought those bits were jokes (bad predictable jokes, but still jokes). I thought the first Black Panther was pretty mediocre myself, with meh dialogue, characterizations, and un-convincing developments --I don't feel like the ruler of a powerful nation with a powerful history of self-sustaining isolation would, seemingly overnight, change his mind and open Wakanda up to worldly affairs because he feels bad for the bad guy. Like c'mon, a change like that needs more power, self-realization, some kind of larger development. I wasn't feeling it there. The director needs to quit watching the news and start reading some good historic books. The world of Wakanda has a ton of potential, but it ain't gonna be realized if T'Challa's dad was "wrong" just cuz, or have dumb American jokes and political commentary sprinkled in cause, I don't know, the director lives in the moment, Trump is president, and he don't like the dumb wall being used to prevent trouble from coming in, when Wakanda (USA) is so rich and has so much to offer the rest of the world, and poor Killmonger and others like him, waaaahhhhh!

The moment now, however, is that Chadwick Boseman is no longer with us. Plus, we seem to be slowly getting away from that injustice victim mentality (I hope, anyway). I'm hopeful that we'll see further world-building for Wakanda, and I expect 'honor', 'legacy' and such to actually be revered much more convincingly, as the production crew has a more personal connection with T'Challa's passing, and his sister taking up the mantle... will depend on how they handle it. Shuri is not fit for ANY kind of combat, but she is suppose to be super smart. I don't think the writers have got the chops/brains to write a 'super smart' character, more so, one that'll need brains to build suit, weaponry, and outwit foes to fill in a VERY huge physical deficit, as she looks like someone who'd throw a punch that comes off more like a light slap. But hey, we all like watching the underdog pull through tough odds. Hopefully Wakanda Forever can surprise me. I plan on watching it as I am a fan of Letitia Wright (love her faith and personality, and she's largely non-political), and I loved Chadwick, and man did he go too soon.

Hopefully the movie turns out really good. It'd be a pleasant surprise for me. The trailer doesn't tell me much about the quality of the story, but it was very pretty and I liked the music. Stick to that style, and less of the rap stuff, and I'll be singing this soundtrack's praises.
Being a loony anti-vaxer is political enough for me. I'll watch it despite her.
 

ManaByte

Member
She developed the tech but she showed NO fighting ability! Chadwick actually had training to pull it off. Letitia hasn't. And she was blipped along with T'Challa. I don't think she'll be the new BP. Might actually be either Nakia or Okoye. I'd much rather it be a new T'Challa from the multiverse.
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I haven't seen the movie in forever, but I thought those bits were jokes (bad predictable jokes, but still jokes). I thought the first Black Panther was pretty mediocre myself, with meh dialogue, characterizations, and un-convincing developments --I don't feel like the ruler of a powerful nation with a powerful history of self-sustaining isolation would, seemingly overnight, change his mind and open Wakanda up to worldly affairs because he feels bad for the bad guy. Like c'mon, a change like that needs more power, self-realization, some kind of larger development. I wasn't feeling it there. The director needs to quit watching the news and start reading some good historic books. The world of Wakanda has a ton of potential, but it ain't gonna be realized if T'Challa's dad was "wrong" just cuz, or have dumb American jokes and political commentary sprinkled in cause, I don't know, the director lives in the moment, Trump is president, and he don't like the dumb wall being used to prevent trouble from coming in, when Wakanda (USA) is so rich and has so much to offer the rest of the world, and poor Killmonger and others like him, waaaahhhhh!
Exactly. It just wanted to shoehorn in political commentary where none was really needed. There is a difference between politically inspired and being a soapbox. Sadly the latter was used for this film (and the WinterSoldier/Falcon Show). There is so many unique cultures and stories they could have used to inspire and build Wakanda from. Instead we get none of that and thinly, poorly veiled American commentary.

The moment now, however, is that Chadwick Boseman is no longer with us. Plus, we seem to be slowly getting away from that injustice victim mentality (I hope, anyway). I'm hopeful that we'll see further world-building for Wakanda, and I expect 'honor', 'legacy' and such to actually be revered much more convincingly, as the production crew has a more personal connection with T'Challa's passing, and his sister taking up the mantle... will depend on how they handle it. Shuri is not fit for ANY kind of combat, but she is suppose to be super smart. I don't think the writers have got the chops/brains to write a 'super smart' character, more so, one that'll need brains to build suit, weaponry, and outwit foes to fill in a VERY huge physical deficit, as she looks like someone who'd throw a punch that comes off more like a light slap. But hey, we all like watching the underdog pull through tough odds. Hopefully Wakanda Forever can surprise me. I plan on watching it as I am a fan of Letitia Wright (love her faith and personality, and she's largely non-political), and I loved Chadwick, and man did he go too soon.
Sadly I don’t think we will ever get away from that victim mentality as my first blocked user has shown above. Ignorance seems to be at an all time high and it is unsettling when they use racist “jokes” to try and make someone “endearing”. If they wanted to go all out and show how xenophobic/ignorant a nation like Wakanda is, I would be all for that. However, they *don’t* do that. Instead they try to make it this glorious utopia hidden away with hyper intelligent people utilizing technology that far surpasses our own.

Plus there is this incredibly unsettling concept that Hollywood and social media has to try and portray black culture as one monolithic thing when there are hundreds of unique nations, thousands of tribes, history spanning multiple millennia - all unique in their own right. I would love to see these things explored, but when people continue to keep their head in the sand, referring to things as some users here and on greater social media have? I don’t think I will ever live to see that day.

Hopefully the movie turns out really good. It'd be a pleasant surprise for me. The trailer doesn't tell me much about the quality of the story, but it was very pretty and I liked the music. Stick to that style, and less of the rap stuff, and I'll be singing this soundtrack's praises.
Sadly I would be surprised if this film is any better than the first. Unless they go far out of their way to actually showcase Wakanda as a unique nation, its struggles, and culture without being lazy, ignorant children trying to use the film as their own personal soapbox first and foremost.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Lemme go in no particular order on your points:

- yes they have war dogs (spies) in every corner of the globe and they don't seem to have kids with other ethnicities. And this is a problem how? Most white people marry and have kids with other white people. Most black people marry and have kids with other black people. Same for Asians, Native American (that can be argued a bit) ... And I'm not sure about Latinos as there is so much mixture that people who look Taino actually aren't... Unless you're going to say that the white on white marriages are Because they're racist?

- they're progressive in that they have open gay/lesbian romances and pairings. This is canon in the comics and, undoubtedly, in the MCU. Ryan Coogler has said as much.

-yes they're isolationist but not racist. And they have NO immigration policy, not even to other African nations. When they were in South Korea, they obeyed the laws, showed respect for their customs and at least one spoke the local language (can't remember who). They're respectful of all cultures ... It's their tradition to be isolationist... Because they saw all the war around them and CHOSE to remain hidden... This was also an edict by Bast, the Panther Goddess.

- as I said... Tradition meant the Dora Milaje stuck by whoever the king was. That's their duty... They don't follow one man or woman ... They follow the throne. The only reason they turned FROM the throne is because T'Challa wasn't dead. Their ritual combat didn't have to end in death as shown with M'Baku... Making it so that their ritual could be won by anyone who challenged the king/queen or would-be king/queen.
Ahhh, come on. I get it, you like Wakanda the way it is presented. -I- like Wakanda the way it is presented. But you can't say with a straight face that the way it is presented isn't LOADED with hypocrisy when compared to things like the massively multi-cultural Asgard, Wakanda's backwards political structure, or the idea that they are some sort of polyglot of sub-saharan africa, it would be like having Latveria have a kilt wearing tribe, a bunch of high-stepping irish dancers, some beer filled stein swigging germans, and pasta eating italian tribes. It's frankly ridiculous that it is somehow exempt from the criticism levelled at other culturally derived marvel concepts.

I don't care about this stuff from a creative perspective, I actually encourage it. I just dislike it when it is unevenly applied.

As for this film, I dunno. Very well shot trailer but it gives little of the tone. Namoreans or whatever they are called now could be the typical pseudo-fascist savage nation, or they could be ultra-progressive climate warriors, who knows. Maybe they will be nuanced. Gonna have to wait and see.
 

Batiman

Banned
Best MCU trailer in a long time. And I’m in the camp that thought BP was just a good marvel movie. This trailer alone sucked me back into the marvel hype again. I do wish Boseman was still our hero though. 🙁
 

Thirty7ven

Banned
Drek if they go with Suri, she ain’t fly bitch please skinny ass cornball, Q can never be 00, shiiiieeet don’t even knock on my door with her ass.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
She developed all of Wakanda's tech.
Whaaaaaa? So like 5 years earlier when Suri was 10 Wakanda had no cloaking shield, no flying ships, no levitation trains, no rhino armor, no laser guns, none of that stuff? They were just barbarians with spears and axes? So Killmonger spent his whole life planning to take over a pre technological society? That's....a take.

I can see that maybe the newest version of BP armor is her work, but the rest of it? Nah man.
 

ManaByte

Member
Then people verifying it by watching it and seeing she's BP would prove she's BP. Not her showing up in the credits like this Twitter dude is saying. That's all I'm saying.

Lake Bell's character is searching for Vibranium in the ocean. Something Riri Williams invented awakens Namor. They slaughter Lake Bell's crew, Riri flees to Wakanda. They protect her, Namor goes to war against Wakanda.

T'Challa dies of illness.

Shuri is BP, she makes a synthetic herb to go to the ancestral plane where she talks with Killmonger.

Wakanda is attacked and a lot of it is flooded. Angela Basset's character dies, M'Baku becomes the new king of Wakanda.

Shuri remains BP with M'Baku king. At the end Nakia tells Shuri she secretly had a kid with T'Challa.

Credits scene is Lake Bell reporting to her employer, it was shot with a stand-in for Doom who will be CG'd in if they keep the scene.
 
Lake Bell's character is searching for Vibranium in the ocean. Something Riri Williams invented awakens Namor. They slaughter Lake Bell's crew, Riri flees to Wakanda. They protect her, Namor goes to war against Wakanda.

T'Challa dies of illness.

Shuri is BP, she makes a synthetic herb to go to the ancestral plane where she talks with Killmonger.

Wakanda is attacked and a lot of it is flooded. Angela Basset's character dies, M'Baku becomes the new king of Wakanda.

Shuri remains BP with M'Baku king. At the end Nakia tells Shuri she secretly had a kid with T'Challa.

Credits scene is Lake Bell reporting to her employer, it was shot with a stand-in for Doom who will be CG'd in if they keep the scene.
Boom. There's the context that was missing from the Twitter post.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Lake Bell's character is searching for Vibranium in the ocean. Something Riri Williams invented awakens Namor. They slaughter Lake Bell's crew, Riri flees to Wakanda. They protect her, Namor goes to war against Wakanda.

T'Challa dies of illness.

Shuri is BP, she makes a synthetic herb to go to the ancestral plane where she talks with Killmonger.

Wakanda is attacked and a lot of it is flooded. Angela Basset's character dies, M'Baku becomes the new king of Wakanda.

Shuri remains BP with M'Baku king. At the end Nakia tells Shuri she secretly had a kid with T'Challa.

Credits scene is Lake Bell reporting to her employer, it was shot with a stand-in for Doom who will be CG'd in if they keep the scene.
Hang on

Namor -floods- a mountain nation? Am I crazy or was Wakanda not set way up in a mountainous region full of high peaks, deep ravines and lots of buildings that looked kinda like trees? How does that flood? Comics!!!!
 

ManaByte

Member
Hang on

Namor -floods- a mountain nation? Am I crazy or was Wakanda not set way up in a mountainous region full of high peaks, deep ravines and lots of buildings that looked kinda like trees? How does that flood? Comics!!!!

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jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm not saying they don't do it, I'm just questioning the physics of how it happens. A focused tidal wave that obliterates all the places between Wakanda and the sea, some sort of massive rain fall, or just water appearing from nowhere/underground ocean?
 

K' Dash

Member
They could have brought Michael B. Jordan, they had the perfect BP and decided to go with fucking Shuri?

Fucking Okoye deserved the mantle a thousand times more…
 

sol_bad

Member
They could have brought Michael B. Jordan, they had the perfect BP and decided to go with fucking Shuri?

Fucking Okoye deserved the mantle a thousand times more…

Please explain how Okoye deserves the Black Panther mantle? Was there something I missed in the film where they said the Dora Milaje are generally given the Black Panther mantle?
 

Thirty7ven

Banned
Not only is the character total drek, giving the mantle to Shuri basically defeats the whole process by which it is achieved, turning this story into another Star Wars “family bisniz” bs.
 
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Hugare

Member
Thought that the first movie was bland and boring, but damn this trailer looked lit

Best cinematography from Marvel yet, imo. Finally a MCU movie with its own look and identity.

My 2 cents: they will use Shuri as BP on this one, but the prince's son will be the next BP on the future.
 
My prediction? An average Marvel flick that will be hailed as a triumph because of the exact same reasons that made its prequel the talk of the internet, apart from a major one: The sad passing of Chadwick Boseman, which they have cynically exploited to great marketing effects.
I hope Disney proves me wrong, but I doubt it.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
What's interesting about Wakanda is that although it has a huge technological advantage, it's actually a really problematic nation.

It's an autocracy for a start and rulers who are challenged have to do so via blood combat. There isn't any democracy at all.

Then there is the fact that it's against opening it's borders for immigration, and that includes even allowing in refugees.

Wonder if these issues will be addressed in the sequel?
 

Ulysses 31

Member
What's interesting about Wakanda is that although it has a huge technological advantage, it's actually a really problematic nation.

It's an autocracy for a start and rulers who are challenged have to do so via blood combat. There isn't any democracy at all.

Then there is the fact that it's against opening it's borders for immigration, and that includes even allowing in refugees.

Wonder if these issues will be addressed in the sequel?
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If anything, they've been made more authoritarian with shows like Falcon and the Windersoldier with the "Dora Milaje have jurisdiction where ever the Dora Milaje find themselves to be.".

 

Interfectum

Member
Decent trailer, plot seems boring as fuck. Disney using that dude's death as a plot point and selling point to see the movie is gross as fuck too.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Decent trailer, plot seems boring as fuck. Disney using that dude's death as a plot point and selling point to see the movie is gross as fuck too.


Are they? He died in real life but this movie was still going to come out. Do you think they should have just glanced over it? It really felt like an impossible situation but from everything we know, the emotion surrounding his death and how it plays in the movie is legit. People have died before while in the mist of making movies and I don't think Disney sold The Last Jedi on the death of Carrie Fisher. It is what it is.
 

Interfectum

Member
Are they? He died in real life but this movie was still going to come out. Do you think they should have just glanced over it? It really felt like an impossible situation but from everything we know, the emotion surrounding his death and how it plays in the movie is legit. People have died before while in the mist of making movies and I don't think Disney sold The Last Jedi on the death of Carrie Fisher. It is what it is.


Dude came back from the dead to promote a Disney movie.
 
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Kraz

Banned
Will the cheesy ballad covers of good classic tunes ever stop.
For this it was good. It suited the intent of the song and film.

Smells Like Teen Spirit insisted on a lot of effort from the audience, but suppression/rebellion and the difficult struggle being like drowning in molasses represented by the song. Good thing the rest of the show was on that sandbar because my arms were tired.

Everybody Knows is the worst in recent memory. During images of the immediate aftermath of the loss of Superman was the wrong context for that song. If there were films in between dealing with the consequences that would've made it work. The film does take place later, but doesn't help the song work better in the opening scene on re-watch, just makes it understandable.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus


Dude came back from the dead to promote a Disney movie.



So you think because the trailer for the sequel to one of the most successful movies of all time (It was the 3rd biggest grossing movie of all time in the US upon it's release) is on the twitter page of the deceased this means that Disney is using his death? The receipts say they don't need to do anything. That film was printing money for weeks. That is a nothing burger with extra water sauce.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
So you think because the trailer for the sequel to one of the most successful movies of all time (It was the 3rd biggest grossing movie of all time in the US upon it's release) is on the twitter page of the deceased this means that Disney is using his death? The receipts say they don't need to do anything. That film was printing money for weeks. That is a nothing burger with extra water sauce.
It's kinda wierd TBH. He isn't really in the film, right? Who has access to the account and feels that promoting a project Chadwick had no impact on was necessary? What else has it been putting out since his death? Post-mortem social media accounts as "a thing" are already pretty creepy.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
It's kinda wierd TBH. He isn't really in the film, right? Who has access to the account and feels that promoting a project Chadwick had no impact on was necessary? What else has it been putting out since his death? Post-mortem social media accounts as "a thing" are already pretty creepy.


I can understand that. Probably his family has POA of his media pages but I still don't see that as Disney selling his death. It's just a such a unique juxtaposition that the actor died and we as the viewer have to deal with that in the fiction as well. I'm not gonna lie, that trailer kicked my ass.
 
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What's interesting about Wakanda is that although it has a huge technological advantage, it's actually a really problematic nation.

It's an autocracy for a start and rulers who are challenged have to do so via blood combat. There isn't any democracy at all.

Then there is the fact that it's against opening it's borders for immigration, and that includes even allowing in refugees.

Wonder if these issues will be addressed in the sequel?
No Disney/MCU movie is going to give this material any kind of thoughtful treatment, but I will say, the Black Panther comics from the last few years do. In the comics, most of T'Challa's interactions with Wakandans is them telling him he sucks and doesn't use his power/wealth/etc. to help the people nearly enough.
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
Fuck this feminine bs
You're supposed to dress that level of stupid up in some moral outrage. The guy who called her a racist had the right idea.

Maybe wait to see how she performs in the role, before throwing your toys. It's okay for women to be superheroes too. Coogler has a history of getting good performances from his cast. He should be able to get Letitia to pull it off. That and it's going to be a ton of CG in the suit anyway, so it's just going to be the mocap team doing all the work like the first film. The succession fights were quick-cut to make them look passable. Only Jordan had the kind of action creds to be convincing IMO. Neither Winston nor Chadwick are action guys.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
This should be the black panther.

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To be fair, as soon as word of "you just gotta beat up a guy used to having super-juice make him a better fighter and you can be king" gets out, I'd expect a LOT of dudes lining up to take a shot at the crown of Wakanda. 23andme/Ancestry.com be working overtime getting you to that 5% wakandan DNA :p
 
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