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[bitbydeath]

Because they paid for expensive properties that are now empty

That’s all it comes down to really.

 

[semiconscious]

inevitable. as it continues to be for any serious business organization actually interested in accomplishing something...

 

[cash_longfellow]

Oh so you’re just a hater in general. I gotcha.

What? . It’s literally a boat load of industries right now. What are you talking about?….ohhhh, alt account, I get it.

 

[Blood Borne]

I support this. Get to fuckin work.
Crunch that ass.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's crazy how untrue this is. The games released during lockdown were well into development before the pandemic. Games are a 4+ year cycle now.

No it’s not untrue. The games releasing in 2023 were largely built in 2020+ and we just had the best year in gaming since 2002

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Because they paid for expensive properties that are now empty

So they would prefer productivity and quality of goods/service to decrease? Doesn't make sense.

 

[cash_longfellow]

There were better games released during full WFH lockdowns than there are now with most back to the office arrangements

But we have to think about dev timelines. Games that released then were already almost done. Games now, just started during.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I support this. Get to fuckin work.
Crunch that ass.

Preach

If employees are happy then something is wrong

 

[sendit]

What’s with Gaf’s hate boner against remote work lol?

Projecting their own shitty job satisfaction/experience.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

No, home office doesn't affect effectivity. No!

I live in Germany. I'm an hearing aid seller. Homeoffice is not possible, cause people need the assistance to achieve the ability to handle their stuff.

Homeoffice is not an option. An that's the biggest benefit of my job.

Cause I can earn all the thing that are important in human life!

Having contact, in reality, with other people, talk to them, seeing their reaction, feeling their reaction, shaking hands.
Homeoffice is like a prison. And maaaaany people go to prison voluntarily.

At least this whole homeoffice shit, is good for me, cause I feel that people searching direct contact. And I am able to give it!
I belive in ten years half of the people can't read the emotion in the face of the human being in front of him!

Tell that to the people that go to a cube farm to stare at a computer for 12 hours how much delight they get from that versus at home

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So they would prefer productivity and quality of goods/service to decrease? Doesn't make sense.

You don't know what the margins are, a slight decrease in productivity could well be worth the offset cost of their leases.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Not where I live, people tend to be more productive due to working longer hours at home, and the reason they work longer hours is because they have less distractions, and no transport to and from the office eating up their time.

In my line of work.. there was so much damn distraction including people with families and kids breaking into zoom meeting, to where a 1 hour meeting would turn to 2, and we still wouldn’t touch on the topics.

 

[Blood Borne]

Preach

If employees are happy then something is wrong

I don’t even care if they’re happy or not, they should just make my fuckin game.

 

[sendit]

But we have to think about dev timelines. Games that released then were already almost done. Games now, just started during.

Elden Ring was released during peak covid.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Great

Next step is 8 day work weeks

If you would just buy a PS5, we could counter this problem

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

there was so much damn distraction including people with families and kids breaking into zoom meeting, to where a 1 hour meeting would turn to 2, and we still wouldn’t touch on the topics.

Sounds like a management issue and not a remote issue, set some boundaries and enforce them, you're at work not getting paid to play with your family; if your team couldn't set those policies, it's a you problem, we have none of those.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Elden Ring was released during peak covid.

Absolutely …and it was started 3+ years ahead of it. That’s my exact point here if you read my other posts in the thread.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Elden Ring was released during peak covid.

Japan understands

Product > Employee wellbeing

 

[Salty Popsicle]

In my line of work.. there was so much damn distraction including people with families and kids breaking into zoom meeting, to where a 1 hour meeting would turn to 2, and we still wouldn’t touch on the topics.

Once people with small children begin to work from home, they stop paying for daycare and do part-time work for their employer while also doing part-time work as a child-rearer while being paid for full-time hours. Doesn't seem remotely fair for any business.

 

[Deerock71]

 

[TVexperto]

im so happy i forced my boss to give me a complete remote work contract hehe

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But we have to think about dev timelines. Games that released then were already almost done. Games now, just started during.

No they weren’t almost done at all

That’s a flat out lie

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Sounds like a management issue and not a remote issue, set some boundaries and enforce them, you're at work not getting paid to play with your family; if your team couldn't set those policies, it's a you problem, we have none of those.

Hard to manage people when they are within the confines of their homes. It's difficult enough when they are in the office.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Once people with small children begin to work from home, they stop paying for daycare and do part-time work for their employer while also doing part-time work as a child-rearer while being paid for full-time hours. Doesn't seem remotely fair for any business.

Exactly my point.

 

[Mercador]

That's an hot topic and will generate debates for years to come. I think they could probably give remote working access to those who work as good as in-situ. I think cities that want people to get back to downtowns are hypocrite when they speak about climate change. But at the same time, I have to acknowledge that quality, in general, dropped since the pandemic. Not sure it's only remote work though. I guess I'm an old fart, but people don't give a shit about work anymore. It was really different when I entered the work age, but jobs were rare at that time.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Oh boo fucking hoo.

 

[cash_longfellow]

No they weren’t almost done at all

That’s a flat out lie

Actually my mistake. I for some reason thought it released on Feb 21 and not 22. I stand corrected. But ER is an outlier

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Hard to manage people when they are within the confines of their homes. It's difficult enough when they are in the office.

It's not hard at all, you're employed so you do what your boss says; if you keep playing around with yout family on zoom meetings, and your lead doesn't tell you that needs to stop, then it's a management issue.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Once people with small children begin to work from home, they stop paying for daycare and do part-time work for their employer while also doing part-time work as a child-rearer while being paid for full-time hours. Doesn't seem remotely fair for any business.

The families I worked with in this situation still sent their kids to daycare when it was available after lockdowns

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Remote work enables:

Remote meetings, screen sharing, less commute, less stress, more potential to exercise or rest (due to lack of commute), less bullshit water cooler talk that’s completely unproductive

Too many people are not responsible enough to put in the work at home

I wont go into details because I have zero receipts but what a year or so ago Activision did the same and it was not because work was improving while people stayed home

To an extent back when I played Baseball in the offseason many teams would have non mandatory programs and so many guys were like "I will put in the work at home" and show up to camp 20 lbs heavier and not in shape.

 

[donkey_oaty]

You won't stop me from thinking that full remote and productivity cannot belong in the same sentence.

It can for certain people, the problem is you want those people in the office to influence other people to do work, and so everyone can benefit from their knowledge and understanding.

 

[Flabagast]

5 days a week seems too harsh imho, 3 or 4 is ok

 

[SomeGit]

I'll never go back to a full in-office work, it's good to go once or twice a week, but you lose so much time communting every single day, especially since rent and house prices in cities are through the roof.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Too many people are not responsible enough to put in the work at home

I wont go into details because I have zero receipts but what a year or so ago Activision did the same and it was not because work was improving while people stayed home

To an extent back when I played Baseball in the offseason many teams would have non mandatory programs and so many guys were like "I will put in the work at home" and show up to camp 20 lbs heavier and not in shape.

There’s plenty of baseball players who are fat as fuck on the job right now like Vogelbach.

The true professionals put in the work

If you can’t be trusted at home you likely aren’t to be trusted at work either

I’m just saying 5 days return to office versus hybrid is flat out dumb for most workers

 

[cash_longfellow]

It's not hard at all, you're employed so you do what your boss says; if you keep playing around with yout family on zoom meetings, and your lead doesn't tell you that needs to stop, then it's a management issue.

Andddd…that’s the problem. Management was doing the same thing. That’s why it’s an issue now.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

I don't think remote work is a bad thing in all circumstances. People like concept artists or writers can do just fine with a zoom meeting every few days and then being alone to do their creative work. However, painting a broad brush and saying every single office worker from top to bottom can and should work from home is just not feasible. Some work requires constant communication and adaptive workflow/tasks that can change from hour to hour which would in almost every situation work best when everyone involved in said project is within the same vicinity.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Andddd…that’s the problem. Management was doing the same thing. That’s why it’s an issue now.

Then complain to hr, or your people team or culture club i dunno, shit doesn't have to be an issue and certainly wasn't an issue for us.

 

[Jetpac]

What? . It’s literally a boat load of industries right now. What are you talking about?….ohhhh, alt account, I get it.

Sorry the nerd in me isn’t strong enough to have alt accounts. If you couldn’t understand my point then that’s on you.

 

[Del_X]

As a remote worker who’s been remote since pre pandemic, I see a lot of seething commuters ITT

 

[FoxMcChief]

Good. Work from home should be a worst case scenario.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

There’s plenty of baseball players who are fat as fuck on the job right now like Vogelbach.

The true professionals put in the work

If you can’t be trusted at home you likely aren’t to be trusted at work either

I’m just saying 5 days return to office versus hybrid is that out dumb for most workers

Just saying there is a group of people that actually need that structure and likely need the actual daily human interactions not just over a screen

 

[FoxMcChief]

very very smart fear tactic to announce this at this moment.

Yup. Like divorces, lay offs are contagious.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Then complain to hr, or your people team or culture club i dunno, shit doesn't have to be an issue and certainly wasn't an issue for us.

But my point is…it’s an issue with a lot of companies clearly. Hence the thread

 

[SmokedMeat]

If they don’t want to return there’s a few thousand people that lost their jobs, that would gladly take their place.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Sorry the nerd in me isn’t strong enough to have alt accounts. If you couldn’t understand my point then that’s on you.

No I get it. You are a troll with no point. Leave it alone my guy. Your initial response was basic and had no point other than to sound like an alt account. When that happens…just leave it alone, please.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

But my point is…it’s an issue with a lot of companies clearly. Hence the thread

A lot? There are tens of millions, if not more, companies around the world, you literally cannot know if it's an "issue" with "a lot".

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Poor things... having to work like every day people do! Where's the humanity!?!?

 

[cash_longfellow]

A lot? There are tens of millions, if not more, companies around the world, you literally cannot know if it's an "issue" with "a lot".

literally hundreds of thousands of companies have been forcing their employees back into the office for the last year+…what are you talking about? Gaf isn’t the only news outlet or truth. This has been a debate for the last almost two years.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

"BuT wOrKiNg fRoM hOme Is AcTuAlLy MoRe PrOdUcTiVe"

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Just saying there is a group of people that actually need that structure and likely need the actual daily human interactions not just over a screen

Executives that justify their “management” jobs rather than workers actually *doing the work* at screens?