Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
You have a list of these hundreds of thousands? And how is that "a lot" when there's a 100 million companies? Your stat would amount to less than 1%, so not a lot at all.
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[Bloomberg] ‘Grand Theft Auto’ Maker Rockstar Games Asks Workers to Return to Office Five Days a Week
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Moriarty1889
Member
Good for Rockstar. To many people got used to working from home and thought they could do it forever. Many people didn’t have that option and worked in their jobs workplaces thru the pandemic til now myself included. If you don’t want to adhere to the companies rules about returning to the workplace then i’m sure they will find someone else who will gladly take your job and actually show up for work.
xBlueStonex
Member
Sadly there was an insane hiring spree during the pandemic, which gave workers a false sense of power and entitlement that they have the 'right' to remote work (look at this James Sayer fellow). Well that bubble has burst, and there has been thousands (literally) of recent layoffs with many more to come. So if your company says come back to the office, you come back to the office. If not, your spot will be filled in an instant with somebody who doesn't mind going to work to work.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
It was during the pandemic lol.
It’s like people forgot that some businesses were running more efficiently and making record profits during that time.
It really depends on the job, but working remotely can be productive. The issues is the idiots who posted “day in the life” videos were they exposed themselves not doing work on company’s time which ruined it people that weren’t abusing the wfh situation.
cash_longfellow
Member
Jesus man…did you read my post that you are trying to pick apart?? I said I worked remote with 550+ people and 99% of them were milking it. Don’t try to stretch your argument into something it’s not. I started talking about my personal experience and you’ve tried to control that shit into the “whole working world”…stop it.
Edit - when someone asks me for “a list” I’m done talking to them. That’s the biggest cop out someone can throw during a debate, and frankly it’s insulting.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Those fuckers need to come into work.
AT THE OFFICE
AT THE OFFICE
FalsettoVibe
Member
This ridiculous post pisses me off. Both myself and my wife work from home as developers, as do many of my friends and colleagues. All of them will agree with me when I say this.......I work way more from home than I do in the damn office. I am more inclined to start work early and leave later than my actual time to stop since:
I do not have to prepare for work every morning by getting dressed, looking presentable and commuting to and from
I do not have to spend an hour and a half every day shooting the breeze with the random that walks up to my desk (Including my management)
I do not have to spend an hour and a half going to what feels like a required lunch outing with my manager and coworkers eating stuff I know I should not eat.
The whole come back to work BS is a combination of quiet layoffs and and a political agenda to get people the spend money to stimulate the economy by paying for gas, clothes, food, etc.
That's why it seems like everyone is pushing this crap the same time.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
No I said it was a you problem, not a remote problem, and your leads should be held accountable for not keeping people in line, and then you started talking about this being an issue for "a lot" of companies; you brought the discussion here not me.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Others need to have suffered for my enjoyment.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
hybrid work from home exist you know
Johnny Concrete
Member
Agree.
Sometimes I’m more productive at home and sometimes the best place is the office. Totally depends on the tasks at hand.
At the office you can easily waste time chatting with colleagues or having extended lunch breaks. Not to mention being distracted by your colleagues discussing stuff in your vicinity (especially having calls / online meetings)
It’s still the place to be when closely collaborating with a team (which is often the case with video game development)
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
productive or not we wont know, but wasting time in transport going and back from office is real though.
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cash_longfellow
Member
Stop talking. I feel bad for your sig other if you have one. I haven’t had the privilege of talking to someone on Gaf trying to spin what I said or manipulating it so much to try to make some internal point valid, in a long ass time. Some sociopathic tendencies. Wow! Ignoring you now because there is literally no way to have a legitimate conversation with you. Good luck with your ban in the future
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JerryinSoCal
Member
I can see the security aspect of it though, especially after that guys kid leaked some footage.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I know and having never been tied to any kind of a job especially one being stuck inside I can't imagine sitting in front of a computer in some office 12 hours a day
GeeseGoose
Member
I'm a fully-remote worker, in software engineering management and the group that I manage is fully remote. I feel that we, as a collective, are highly productive, we smash goals and delivery big projects consistently. While I think that WFH detractors and their "productivity" arguments are bollocks, this does hinge on driven, motivated workers.
WFH allows for so many benefits, if you're not a micromanager. Give staff a goal, expected check-in cadences and let them get on with it, if they don't perform - manage them. My high performers have free reign to work how they need to, as long as they're available for meetings during a core 4 hour window, do what you want. Work early? Work late? Take a 2 hour unwind break in the day to go climbing? Yeah, go for it as long as you're performing.
That's my personal experience, anyway. I know that won't fit all, but at any rate I am pro-WFH
WFH allows for so many benefits, if you're not a micromanager. Give staff a goal, expected check-in cadences and let them get on with it, if they don't perform - manage them. My high performers have free reign to work how they need to, as long as they're available for meetings during a core 4 hour window, do what you want. Work early? Work late? Take a 2 hour unwind break in the day to go climbing? Yeah, go for it as long as you're performing.
That's my personal experience, anyway. I know that won't fit all, but at any rate I am pro-WFH
Alebrije
Gold Member
I don't care about videogames but just thinking Boeing workers were called to work at office this December is scary, they been working from Home to much.
www.seattletimes.com
A videogame can be patched , but other industries should be working at Office/factores time ago.
Boeing wants all employees back in the office, all the time
While the defense & space and services divisions remain somewhat flexible, Boeing Commercial Airplanes is mandating a complete return to the standard 40 hours in the office.
www.seattletimes.com
A videogame can be patched , but other industries should be working at Office/factores time ago.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Stop talking. I feel bad for your sig other if you have one. I haven’t had the privilege of talking to someone on Gaf trying to spin what I said or manipulating it so much to try to make some internal point valid, in a long ass time. Some sociopathic tendencies. Wow! Ignoring you now because there is literally no way to have a legitimate conversation with you. Good luck with your ban in the future
I guess you're just mentally ill if you've forgotten your own post that quickly, you changed the discussion from your own experience, to "a lot of companies", not me; good luck gaslighting yourself in the future again.
Facism
Gold Member
that man is talking out his arse.
"gO bAcK to ThE OfFiCe, KoMraDes! Be PrOdUctiVe WoRkeRs"
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Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Watch out, he'll probably put you on ignore too
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I don't care about videogames but just thinking Boeing workers were called to work at office this December is scary, they been working from Home to much.
Boeing wants all employees back in the office, all the time
While the defense & space and services divisions remain somewhat flexible, Boeing Commercial Airplanes is mandating a complete return to the standard 40 hours in the office.
A videogame can be patched , but other industries should be working at Office/factores time ago.
This is a gross oversimplification
Yes, production workers cannot be remote
Those that work primarily on computers - running the full gamut of engineers, IT, parts procurement, etc can be remote. Their job is by definition computer based
Boeing’s a terribly managed company, so them forcing ALL workers back is simply more evidence of management’s gross incompetence
Bluecondor
Member
Underrated post.
With the huge number of layoffs recently, Rockstar could be doing this simply to make it easier for them to fill jobs with the huge pool of experienced people who are now looking for work.
sendit
Member
Proud to be a corporate bootlicker, 300K TC a year is pretty nice.
JonSnowball
Member
I'm convinced that people saying WFH makes you lazy have never worked in the industry.
I WFH three days a week. I have at least two Zoom meetings during those days, I use a monitored work laptop, I get pinged in Slack to review code and look into tasks, I still have PR reviews and commits to make.
It's the same expectation of work and same metrics applied, if I stop working and become lazy as people claim WFH results in I'd get fired. The difference is I don't have a morning commute, I can wake up and have coffee, do my morning meeting, and review tasks and continue on work that's scheduled.
Topher
Identifies as young
I was going in one day a week, but last month finally got approved for full remote work.
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No idea how that relates to what's being discussed in this thread, but congrats.
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Celcius
°Temp. member
So many jealous and salty people in this thread who think full remote work isn't real work.
I work fully remote and can tell you that it is in fact real work.
Being able to work from home is a great thing not a bad thing.
Not sure if maybe most people in this thread are just mid-level managers or something.
I work fully remote and can tell you that it is in fact real work.
Being able to work from home is a great thing not a bad thing.
Not sure if maybe most people in this thread are just mid-level managers or something.
sendit
Member
Are you not talking about kissing ass to corporate entities? Which you stated is sad to see?
I probably misread, can you clarify what you're talking about?
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
sendit
Member
I think it's just uninformed assumptions. For jobs that don't need someone physically being there, remote work is just better use of time.
To add, during peak covid. People that could do remote work, stayed at home, which greatly reduced traffic congestion for those that needed to commute.
You are so cool
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Kacho
Gold Member
Love the people sharing anecdotal experiences as if it somehow proves entire workforces are just as productive working remotely.
Next you’ll tell us you got banned on XBL for no reason!
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
How do your efficiency metrics compare on days you WFH vs the days you go in office?
Hawking Radiation
Member
Fuck only knows.
In my job the work gets done and we are in the office 3 out of the 5 work days. Perfect balance and everyone is happy especially those with kids. One guy in my team doens't have to fork out as much for babysitting due to this current arrangement. Saves me having to spend extra on the commute into the office.
NonPhixion
Member
I mean if I had a billion dollar product I’d not mind my workers sharing its data over their shitty home networks.
sendit
Member
Love the people sharing anecdotal experiences as if it somehow proves entire workforces are just as productive working remotely.
Next you’ll tell us you got banned on XBL for no reason!
We have people sharing both good and bad experiences regarding remote work, how did you conclude this to be one sided? Ultimately, it comes down to management, setting expectations, and the right people.
ByWatterson
Member
If they don't like it they can just get another job.
Oh there aren't any?...
Oh there aren't any?...
Topher
Identifies as young
You just described my life. I can't go back.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Love the people sharing anecdotal experiences as if it somehow proves entire workforces are just as productive working remotely.
Next you’ll tell us you got banned on XBL for no reason!
I work hyrbid 3/2 split (3 days in the office, 2 work from home) and I can tell you from experience, in the office people fuck around more than they do working from home.
I've posted about this before in another thread (I think it was in Off Topic discussion). This is from my own personal experience working in IT.
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Kacho
Gold Member
Where did I claim it was one sided? My point is people proclaiming that they’re totally productive working remotely means jack shit. We have no way to quantify that.
Hawking Radiation
Member
No sorry that's wrong. I disagree
Im in IT, its all about stats and our stats show that we are more productive working from home than in the office. In my case. Not talking about anyone else's experience here. I'm sure each company has their methods of tracking productivity.
It might be down to culture, type of work, the weather. It could be all of the above, fuck only knows. Either way a company or organisation can be less or more productive in the office or WFH. It goes both ways but its not a universal truth for all industries.
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Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
curious, do you also feel that way about people proclaiming the opposite? Or are you only concerned with "anecdotes" being positive instead of negative?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Or is it possible these companies have detailed metrics that show most workers (not all) are more effective when working in office?
The above part of your post strikes me as pretty conspiratorial. I don't think most companies writing checks care about supporting the oil industry. I think they mostly care about the overall efficiency of their employees.
Perrott
Member
It's currently slated for the FY ending in March 2025, so right now my bet is that it will definitely come out in 2025.
We'll see if T2 revises this prediction at the start of the next fiscal period though.