I think it's super cool we got one. I don't regret purchasing Catalyst at all.
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Bomba? Mirror's Edge Catalyst PS4/XB1 $40 ($32 with GCU) at Best Buy, $42 at Amazon
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I think it's super cool we got one. I don't regret purchasing Catalyst at all.
Sorry should've been more clear, but I didn't mean to say that the sequel had to be perfect, but a new set of issues was introduced in the sequel that's reflected in the so-so reviews. That's not going to help the series get any new fans either.
And I'd rather the big publishers listen to the vocal minority every once in a while. That gives us things like the Mirror's Edges and Dead Spaces of the world. Unfortunately, those niche series tend to crash and burn as the pubs try to push them into the mainstream.
Do we know anything about sales properly yet?
Have you payed it? It's great.
It's great. The only problem with the open world is that it's harder to bugfix – there are a handful of dead-ends/bits of geometry that you get stuck in.
It's great though. Better than the first, IMO.
Have you payed it? It's great.
It's great. The only problem with the open world is that it's harder to bugfix – there are a handful of dead-ends/bits of geometry that you get stuck in.
It's great though. Better than the first, IMO.
I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but I have a feeling that EA's greenlighting of this game was on the condition that it be open world. EA doesn't have any open world franchises, and even if Mirror's Edge doesn't sell, at least the engine work is done and can be used for future titles.
Or, maybe it was purely DICE's decision and I'm full of it. I'm just surprised we got a new Mirror's Edge game at all when the first one underperformed, and I could see EA having some say in the direction in order for it to get made.
Or, maybe it was purely DICE's decision and I'm full of it. I'm just surprised we got a new Mirror's Edge game at all when the first one underperformed, and I could see EA having some say in the direction in order for it to get made.
Pretty sure that's it.
Pretty sure that's not why this game bombed
The fact that you need to follow the red line in order to easily get to the story missions is a problem. The game shouldn't have had an open world.
You don't have to, though? It's 100% optional.
I've played it for probably 7 hours, and for 6.5 of those hours I played without 'runner vision' (eg red lines) at all.
Every half hour or so I'll get a bit too lost and turn on Runner Vision just to help me orient myself in the game world. But I'll turn it off again after, like, one minute.
It works great. I just wish the 'Hold Alt to turn on Runner Vision' worked for turning it off again, too.
I was pointing out the runner's vision option to highlight that you can play this as a linear game. But as the poster above me notes, you can also turn off (or turn down) this vision.
I know. I'm saying that I think having to turn it on to find reach a mission, turn it off for the mission, and turn it back on once you finish the mission is bad.
You don't have to turn it on to reach a mission. You can look at your map and just go there. It's just easier with it.
And again, if the complaint is, "I must briefly travel to a mission by doing parkour" that's pretty small potatoes.
I'll probably buy this knowing full well the valid criticism people have shared on this game. The first person parkour movement and animation of this series is something I've always found incredible. The way Faith moves around in the world of the first game (including animating the arms and legs while in first person) gives a very strong sense of being in the body of a different character. It's just something I don't often feel even in other first person perspective games, and I find it very impressive to see a conventional non-VR game pull it off as well as it does. It's not to say I didn't have issues with the controls at certain points of ME1, but when it flows smoothly, it just feels so good.
So if Catalyst is able to recapture at least some of my love for the parkour movement from the first game, I definitely want to experience it.
So if Catalyst is able to recapture at least some of my love for the parkour movement from the first game, I definitely want to experience it.
CosmicQueso
Member
The aesthetic and music are indeed fantastic.
Best parallel I can think of is Remember Me. Some excellent parts, but mediocre overall.
Best parallel I can think of is Remember Me. Some excellent parts, but mediocre overall.
bishopcruz
Member
Wow I didn't know this even came out... guess I was the only one...
Or not. Jesus. How bad did they market this thing? I'm a big ME fan and had no idea. No buzz at all.
Wait, this came out already?!
Or not. Jesus. How bad did they market this thing? I'm a big ME fan and had no idea. No buzz at all.
Infinite Xero
Member
Best Buy has it for sale but it's a physical copy (digital download inside).
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/mirrors-edge-catalyst-windows/9626029.p?id=1219705742887&skuId=9626029
I don't think you're a big Mirror's Edge fan then, it was marketed and surely you'd know the release date anyway?
tearsintherain
Member
The game got delayed once or twice, even just a few weeks before its May launch date it got delayed to early June, right before E3.
The beta did it absolutely no favors, I played it and after an hour it was an easy decision to cancel my pre order. Boring, poor visuals, too much combat, and a bizarre move to an open world for a game that didn't need it in any way.
I don't buy the "no marketing" thing, there is a core of 1-2m people who will pre-order pretty much any new game if its fun. Those people will sell your game for you. Nowadays however the sword cuts both ways, if those people do NOT like your game they will definitely tell everyone else too, on forums, twitch, facebook, etc.
Battleborn, Homefront, and Mirrors Edge 2 all suffered from this, and the release of Overwatch and the hype surrounding it in the same window did them zero favors.
The beta did it absolutely no favors, I played it and after an hour it was an easy decision to cancel my pre order. Boring, poor visuals, too much combat, and a bizarre move to an open world for a game that didn't need it in any way.
I don't buy the "no marketing" thing, there is a core of 1-2m people who will pre-order pretty much any new game if its fun. Those people will sell your game for you. Nowadays however the sword cuts both ways, if those people do NOT like your game they will definitely tell everyone else too, on forums, twitch, facebook, etc.
Battleborn, Homefront, and Mirrors Edge 2 all suffered from this, and the release of Overwatch and the hype surrounding it in the same window did them zero favors.
Bullshit.
Your impression is straight up wrong.
The complaints about the open world baffle me. It's a massive and (for the most part) very well designed free running playground and it's awesome. That "open world drudgery" is actually a ton of time trials with some different variations. In no way is any of it just checklist filling (barring the completely ignorable collectables). Some of the comments I've seen are no different than complaining that a racing game has too many races in it. I feel like people take one look at a map filled with icons and immediately assume the worst which is a massive shame because of how excellent this game is. The world is also gorgeous and surprisingly visually diverse.
That said even if you don't like time trials, honestly you probably shouldn't be playing ME at all if this is the case, the main missions are still linear and extremely well designed.
The progression system is also pretty much a non issue. It is pretty pointless but you can unlock every base move in no more than an hour of so. To say the game is boring up until this point is also ridiculous. The grapple is another non issue, not once have I felt that the time trials devolved into a hunt for a grapple point and swinging between buildings can actually be quite exhilarating. The combat system is also actually not terrible, it's not amazing but there's only a few moments in the game where it's required. It can also be quite satisfying to run up a wall, 360 and then kick someone in the head.
Yeah the writing can be pretty bad and the characters aren't great but it doesn't matter because the game is just so good to play.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
To be fair here, the first few missions ARE shitty and soulless. And the pre-release vids didn't paint a pretty picture of the game.
It's still my game of the year though. Incredible experience through and through.
The first few missions are effectively just tutorials and only last about 20 to 30 minutes, total.
Elysium labs onwards is all fantastic.
highrider
Banned
Jebus. This is a dagger because it's so clearly a genuine feeling here. Guess I'll hold off lol.
I'm really happy with Catalyst -- over 50 hours played thus far. I 3-star'd all the time trials and am about 70% complete with the world collectibles.
The story is meh, but the movement is great, probably even better than the original game. The open world works well with time trials teaching you good paths, the graphics are decent, the art style is intact, and the puzzle / main missions are well done. The soundtrack is good too.
Mirror's Edge 1 was one of my favorite games ever though, so I'm biased.
I think it's well worth it for people who liked the original and played the time trials.
For more impressions, check the OT. There are both negatives and positives, but on average I feel like (unscientific impression) more positives have been posted.
The story is meh, but the movement is great, probably even better than the original game. The open world works well with time trials teaching you good paths, the graphics are decent, the art style is intact, and the puzzle / main missions are well done. The soundtrack is good too.
Mirror's Edge 1 was one of my favorite games ever though, so I'm biased.
I think it's well worth it for people who liked the original and played the time trials.
For more impressions, check the OT. There are both negatives and positives, but on average I feel like (unscientific impression) more positives have been posted.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I bought it, and price matched Halo 5 for 10$
Fox Mulder
Member
Not really a bomb enough price for me.
I loved the first but don't give a shit this one exists. May try it out someday.
I loved the first but don't give a shit this one exists. May try it out someday.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This game has an upgrade tree? That seems so unnecessary for a game all about running.
CosmicQueso
Member
That and the forced combat areas where the player cannot advance until an area is cleared of enemies.
Forced combat in Mirrors Edge was a really poor decision.
Pontiaction
Member
Since it's technically a "physical copy", does GCU 20% discount work on this?
Might double-dip if so.
I know, I know...rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and all. Love both ME and ME:C thought and feel bad about the apparent poor sales performance (evidenced by these sales; I haven't seen any numbers).
Since so many have mentioned Battleborn: that makes me feel really bad, since I live in the same town as Gearbox and they've clearly sunk a ton of money into their new headquarters. Plus they sponsored the National Videogame Museum which is also here, and is actually a pretty cool place that I'd hate to see get axed. But at the end of the day, I just couldn't force myself to care about Battleborn thanks to Overwatch, Mirror's Edge, Uncharted and everything else.
I think Battleborn and Catalyst were both victims of poor launch timing. Reminds me of when Alan Wake launched on the same day as Red Dead Redemption (except AW still managed to become really popular).
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I just don't understand how something that clearly must have been a passion project became a souleless openworld levelupathon.
Well, one possibility is that it is hard to understand because it didn't actually happen. Many people in this thread have testified to the fact that it's great, that's it actually a type of game well-suited to an open world. Very few of the people that are super down on the game have actually completed it.
Edit - I'm looking forward to a dominant theme for future LTTP threads on this game: "Mirror's Edge: Catalyst is actually good, why didn't anyone tell me?"
but if you had bought it Day 1 from Best Buy you could just call them for a post-purchase price match for $20 back ($16 with GCU)
even without the extended return period from being an Elite member, you'd be well within the 15-day window
yeah it does
you could have just added it to your cart to check
I'd see articles on the game all the time on gaming news sites...
The problem is probably that nobody wanted another Mirror's edge, which is sad.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I think his point is, the game starts rather terribly but opens up incredibly at the 20% mark. Not many people who just don't dig it, will get to see that.
Completed is the wrong term, granted. I was trying to get at the idea that some of the criticisms feel like snap judgments that would be reversed or lessened with further play. But I could have expressed that better.
CosmicQueso
Member
This is ridiculous.
I finished it. The game got more frustrating over time with the forced combat sections, trial and error traversal, and tacked on collectibles and side missions.
You like it? Great. Others like it? Awesome. But hand waving valid criticisms with "people must not have finished it"? Why don't you just add that the people criticizing it just aren't good at the game or maybe aren't smart enough for it?
See my post immediately above yours. I agree, "completed" is totally the wrong word. Not my intent, it was poorly stated. There are, however, some people who dipped their toe in the game, or just played the beta, or just learned it was open world and heard other negative impressions and checked out. I'm saying, some of these criticisms would be addressed for some of these people. You can read the OT to also find skeptical people who came around on the game, it's not unheard of. I'm not saying it will happen for everyone, mind. The game is not for everyone. But I do think it is currently underrated.