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[besada]

I'm not sure I love the idea of Blu-Ray winning, but then again I have a Blu-Ray player so it might as well. Whatever gets HD movies in the Blockbuster.

 

[Owzers]

I understand a lot of people who invested in the other format are upset, but why are some starting to make claims that there's little difference between dvd and bd? It's not like dvd's are going anywhere anytime soon.

I just bought an hd-dvd player at amazon with some free hd-dvds. I watched a couple, 300, bourne, road warrior, and on my 37'' tv, upscaled dvds didn't look much worse at all. There probably is a difference, i just don't notice it ENOUGH to care.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Will it push these?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130747

*Shrugs*

Not just Ps3's that can have Blu-Ray.

I'm pretty sure everyone's aware of the fact that you can get bluray players for you pc. I've had one with a burner for a year now.

 

[Beer Monkey]

It better because it becomes standard in 2010.

Digital (not high-def, the cheapest convertor boxes just downres to 480i) tv will become standard for the 15% of americans who get their television over-the-air. If you have cable or satellite, you won't even notice.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

I just bought an hd-dvd player at amazon with some free hd-dvds. I watched a couple, 300, bourne, road warrior, and on my 37'' tv, upscaled dvds didn't look much worse at all. There probably is a difference, i just don't notice it ENOUGH to care.

37" SDTV or HDTV?

 

[Owzers]

37" SDTV or HDTV?

hdtv

 

[Vaandaviii]

Will it push these?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130747

*Shrugs*

Not just Ps3's that can have Blu-Ray.

Woops. this is much better

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131748

Remember the "combo" DVD reader + CD writer? it's back again. And full of win, as always.

Pioner BDC-S02, reads BD at 5x, BD-DL at 2x, and records DVD at 12x and CD at 24x. 117 pounds.

Besides, from 6 months to now, the BD Recorders have cut the price to 1/3 aprox :lol


It all begins now. The HD-DVD is dead, and when the consumer PCs include BD recorders, the thing will be unstoppable

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Then stick with dvd's dude, because they're just going to get cheaper and cheaper in the few years. When dvd came out I cleaned up on cheap ass vhs.

 

[besada]

Digital (not high-def, the cheapest convertor boxes just downres to 480i) tv will become standard for the 15% of americans who get their television over-the-air. If you have cable or satellite, you won't even notice.

I think you will, because a ton of channels and broadcasters have been waiting to do something about upgrading until this year. I suspect we'll see a wider range of available HD channels showing up this and next year. At least I freaking hope so.

 

[Feral Youth]

Besides, from 6 months to now, the BD Recorders have cut the price to 1/3 aprox :lol


It all begins now. The HD-DVD is dead, and when the consumer PCs include BD recorders, the thing will be unstoppable

Exactly.

 

[Flek]

this brd tv spot fits perfectly to the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7S_Nwb8fU

 

[painful fart]

The timing of the 360 HD-DVD tool was not that good in retrospect.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQTH03513122007-1.htm

Dec. 13 -- Microsoft Corp. today announced the release of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Emulator,

"We are committed to supporting and advancing the HD DVD ecosystem, and the new Xbox 360 HD DVD Emulator reflects these efforts by providing developers with the software-based tools they need to efficiently deliver the highest-quality content," said Jordi Ribas, general manager of HD DVD at Microsoft. "Microsoft developed the Emulator to help save studios and postproduction houses time, resources and costs involved with the creation of HD DVD content, and let them focus on what really matters -- pushing the envelope with the format."

If Microsoft is as business minded as it usually is, a blu-ray add on will appear pretty quickly.

 

[Kittonwy]

Are you an actual Kitten?

Well my name sure as hell doesn't say puppywuppy now does it?

 

[Vaandaviii]

this brd tv spot fits perfectly to the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7S_Nwb8fU

Is it official? Seeing the beta being trashed is hilarous :lol

 

[kaching]

Which does nothing to respond to the critical part of his post:


This is the main hurdle between Blu-Ray and the Mainstream. It was never HD-DVD.

Feel to take that as a response to this:


...as well.

The hurdles to success for an HD media format are the same as they were for DVD. There was no overnight mass exodus, no sea change from VHS to DVD. It took YEARS, it took the better part of a decade for DVD to finally outsell VHS. And it wasn't the technological advances that sold it to the majority because those features were there from the beginning, largely ignored until pricing and library size made it difficult to ignore the format any further.

That point will come for HD media. In a few yrs, prices for players and discs won't be much different than what they are for DVD now. And one hurdle that won't exist this time around is the fundamental incompatibility between VHS and DVD that existed the last time around. This time around, the transition will be silent and painless and it won't even matter if you have an HDTV or not when you can buy a player for under $100 that plays DVDs and also happens to play High Def Blu Ray discs just fine as well.

 

[Beatbox]

Woops. this is much better

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131748

Remember the "combo" DVD reader + CD writer? it's back again. And full of win, as always.

Pioner BDC-S02, reads BD at 5x, BD-DL at 2x, and records DVD at 12x and CD at 24x. 117 pounds.

Besides, from 6 months to now, the BD Recorders have cut the price to 1/3 aprox :lol


It all begins now. The HD-DVD is dead, and when the consumer PCs include BD recorders, the thing will be unstoppable

I'm surprised that BD burners are already priced as low as they are -

2X Lite-On $399 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106037
4X Pioneer $599 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131055

I paid about $350 for my first CD burner and around $400 for my first external DVD burner.

 

[Owzers]

Then stick with dvd's dude, because they're just going to get cheaper and cheaper in the few years. When dvd came out I cleaned up on cheap ass vhs.

half the reason i got the player was to upscale my dvds. I'd use ps3's upscaling but i have one of those systems that tends to be loud, especially when upscailing content ( my room is also like 75-80 degrees which has something to do about it). I rent most everything right now, blockbuster online is nice outside of the steady price increasing they've been doing for each plan. I love $5 dvd purchases, either used 4 for $20 at blockbuster or from sales. I'm actually a little happy hd-dvd might be dying, i'm hoping there will be some insanely good prices on hd-dvds after the format fades.

 

[Vaandaviii]

Digital (not high-def, the cheapest convertor boxes just downres to 480i) tv will become standard for the 15% of americans who get their television over-the-air. If you have cable or satellite, you won't even notice.

Ok, I don't know how is the situation in america, but here, having over-the-air digital AND analog signals at the same time is a huge bottleneck in bandwith.

The available bandwith for Digital TV broadcasting will multiply once the analog switch-off takes place. That means more channels and/or better quality/HD on the service.

 

[Aeon712]

Well my name sure as hell doesn't say puppywuppy now does it?

:lol Best thing I've read all day.

 

[besada]

Ok, I don't know how is the situation in america,

Here it depends on who buys the spectrum. Currently analog uses a ton of frequencies that are in the process of being auctioned off. I'm not sure how much more room there's going to be for over the air TV, as it's likely to be bought out by phone/internet groups. I know Google, AT&T, and Verizon are all bidders for the spectrum.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

When people talk about how the jump to DVD was so much greater, they're confusing resolution increase with the quality increase that came from going digital.

Or perhaps talking about the more meaningful changes involving menus, chapters, minimal degradation per use, no more rewind, perfect stills etc etc etc. The resolution increase was a tiny part of the difference between DVD and VHS.

Your point is vaild, but I should have been clearer in my post. While I fully understand the advancements of DVD over VHS, in my quoted post, I was specifically referencing those people who say they can't tell the difference between upscaled DVD and HD, or that even standard non-upscaled DVD picture quality is "good enough". Thus, in that context, which I absent-mindedly left out, my post makes more sense. I was speaking only on the merits of picture quality, and not functional differences.

 

[Everdred]

Does gamestop buy HD DVD add-ons? (this is a serious question)

 

[AranhaHunter]

Does gamestop buy HD DVD add-ons? (this is a serious question)

Good question....they should, it's a VG accessory.

Now I have a question of my own, where the hell is my V for Vendetta and Batman Begins on Blu Ray Warner? And where is my LoTR trilogy extended edition on Blu Ray New Line?

 

[George Claw M.D.]

Does gamestop buy HD DVD add-ons? (this is a serious question)

Are you looking to purchase used, or sell? If it's the former, then you may be able to get a good deal. If it's the latter, then assuming Gamestop does buy them, you'll most likely only get pennies on the dollar. If they actually give you a decent amount for it, though, then, "Yippie kay yay!"

 

[Choke on the Magic]

half the reason i got the player was to upscale my dvds. I'd use ps3's upscaling but i have one of those systems that tends to be loud, especially when upscailing content ( my room is also like 75-80 degrees which has something to do about it). I rent most everything right now, blockbuster online is nice outside of the steady price increasing they've been doing for each plan. I love $5 dvd purchases, either used 4 for $20 at blockbuster or from sales. I'm actually a little happy hd-dvd might be dying, i'm hoping there will be some insanely good prices on hd-dvds after the format fades.

75-80 degrees? Damn I'd be sweating bullets :lol . I'm a 65-70 degree kind of guy. I'm seriously looking forward to cleaning up on dvd's when the hd format really gets pushed forward. I'll probably buy newer movies like Transformers on bluray.

 

[Beer Monkey]

The available bandwith for Digital TV broadcasting will multiply once the analog switch-off takes place.

Nope. The spectrum that gets freed up when analog over-the-air TV gets dropped isn't going to the TV broadcasters. They will still have the exact same digital broadcast spectrum that they were given a decade ago.

 

[Jirotrom]

I just bought an hd-dvd player at amazon with some free hd-dvds. I watched a couple, 300, bourne, road warrior, and on my 37'' tv, upscaled dvds didn't look much worse at all. There probably is a difference, i just don't notice it ENOUGH to care.

Watch Planet Earth and the difference becomes quite evident. I used to think the same as well.

 

[knitoe]

Watch Planet Earth and the difference becomes quite evident. I used to think the same as well.

Watch PE all the time on PS3. Yeah. There are difference, but nothing compare to going from VHS > DVD. If wanted to put it into relative number, VHS > DVD = 10. DVD > BR = 3-4.

 

[B-Ri]

Watch PE all the time on PS3. Yeah. There are difference, but nothing compare to going from VHS > DVD. If wanted to put it into relative number, VHS > DVD = 10. DVD > BR = 3-4.

there
is
a
difference.

What did you want your next HDM to do? i can guarantee that DD isnt going to be doing that.

and HD-DVD wasnt going to either.

 

[FightyF]

It might help the PS3, but I don't think anyone was holding out on getting a PS3 because of the "uncertain" future of BluRay.

If anything, BR showed a trend of being the #1 format. I don't think anyone thought to themselves, "I'll get a PS3 once there's a clear HD disc winner".

Price and games were the biggest concern.

And I'm willing to bet bigger boosts in sales once games like MGS4 come out, or another price drop, rather than as a result of this news.

 

[knitoe]

there
is
a
difference.

What did you want your next HDM to do? i can guarantee that DD isnt going to be doing that.

and HD-DVD wasnt going to either.

If I could decide, we'll keep on having DVD as main format until something comes along that gives VHS > DVD kind of upgrade results. BR / HD-DVD seems like a minor stop gap to me.

 

[Elbrain]

Damn I really only want a few movies to come to blue ray the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, the Star Wars original Trilogy, and freaking Gladiator if they can do that I will be a happy camper. It will probably be years before I see any of those damn my heart cries and my brain weeps!

 

[ManaByte]

Damn I really only want a few movies to come to blue ray the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, the Star Wars original Trilogy, and freaking Gladiator if they can do that I will be a happy camper. It will probably be years before I see any of those damn my heart cries and my brain weeps!

Gladiator is Universal and Dreamworks.

 

[Tiduz]

If I could decide, we'll keep on having DVD as main format until something comes along that gives VHS > DVD kind of upgrade results. BR / HD-DVD seems like a minor stop gap to me.

Im glad im not one of those people, i really do see the difference on my 1080P screen. Movies like 300 look awesome to me.

 

[OliveJuice]

This looks like the tipping point if I ever saw one. Sony will be raking in the money now.

 

[B-Ri]

If I could decide, we'll keep on having DVD as main format until something comes along that gives VHS > DVD kind of upgrade results. BR / HD-DVD seems like a minor stop gap to me.

well, tell me what is it you want it to do, or what it is you would consider a BIG change as that was?

I dont think theres much else you can do besides add all those special features behind the scenes ect, what is it thats soooo monumentally amazing that you want it to do?

i just dont get it.

Its like someone saying they want their itunes music to include note sheets and embedded tracks from the performer on how to perform the song.

 

[Jirotrom]

Watch PE all the time on PS3. Yeah. There are difference, but nothing compare to going from VHS > DVD. If wanted to put it into relative number, VHS > DVD = 10. DVD > BR = 3-4.

that sucks because for me it was like this
VHS>DVD= 10 DVD > HDDVD discs other than Hot fuzz Planet Earth and HP order of the Phoenix = 5-6 DVD > PE HP and HF = 8. I didn't notice huge differences until I watched those discs.

 

[Elbrain]

Gladiator is Universal and Dreamworks.

/cry then damm hopefully they will break ranks and bust it out in Bluray I will buy it dammit!

 

[Snah]

Watch PE all the time on PS3. Yeah. There are difference, but nothing compare to going from VHS > DVD. If wanted to put it into relative number, VHS > DVD = 10. DVD > BR = 3-4.

Well, that 'relative number' is wrong, actually. But I won't be arsed to argue with you; look up the resolution difference between Blu-Ray and DVD, compare it to the jump DVD made from VHS approximately.

Someone already posted a pic in this thread. I think it said "WOW" on it.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

Im glad im not one of those people, i really do see the difference on my 1080P screen. Movies like 300 look awesome to me.

As do Crank, Pirates, Apocalypto, Casino Royale, Spider-Man, TMNT, Transporter, Fifth Element, Cars, Ratotuoille...

 

[Everdred]

Now I have to buy another PS3 now (Sold mine to make a profit a month ago) Anyone know any good deals?

 

[gamerx]

There were so many similar responses to my post, that I won't bother quoting them all. Basically, I understand that the majority of rumors from everyone, on both sides of this format war, are just that- rumors. However, sadly, FUD does work, sometimes, and with so many big companies with a stake in the matter, there is a lot of funding in disinformation.

Well, good sir, you seem prepared to put some strong damage control on this news if it ever happens.

 

[Community Forum]

Does gamestop buy HD DVD add-ons? (this is a serious question)

I have seen used ones at more than one location.

 

[Elbrain]

As do Crank, Pirates, Apocalypto, Casino Royale, Spider-Man, TMNT, Transporter, Fifth Element, Cars, Ratotuoille...

Damn you know what I have Spider-Man 3 but still have not seen it again on Bluray since I have been playing a few games so I will definitely check it out.

 

[Ironballs]

I just bought an hd-dvd player at amazon with some free hd-dvds. I watched a couple, 300, bourne, road warrior, and on my 37'' tv, upscaled dvds didn't look much worse at all. There probably is a difference, i just don't notice it ENOUGH to care.

HD is an acquired taste. You may not think it's really a big deal now, but wait until you spend a majority of your time viewing HD content then try going back to SD. It's night and day.

 

[skrew]

watched the patriots game side by side on sd and hd, blurry textures is the first thing that came to my mind with the sd broadcast

 

[No_Style]

HD is an acquired taste. You may not think it's really a big deal now, but wait until you spend a majority of your time viewing HD content then try going back to SD. It's night and day.

Agreed. Could not have said it better myself.

 

[gcubed]

Nope. The spectrum that gets freed up when analog over-the-air TV gets dropped isn't going to the TV broadcasters. They will still have the exact same digital broadcast spectrum that they were given a decade ago.

yes and no though, there is a definite boost of available bandwidth to cable companies who continue to carry around 70 analog channels (simulcast in digital for those with boxes) for the people who dont want a digital box. You will start seeing in the next 3 years those channels start disappearing from the analog side and move to digital only so that the cable co's can stay compeitive with the digital only telco's that are starting to make in roads into the industry.

And likewaise (you didnt say this beermonkey, i know) i see HDM (bluray as it looks now) as a supplemental format. I say this as an enthusiast who has 50 or so movies sitting behind me right now and i LOVE HDM, the quality is a HUGE difference... to me at least. There is still a large majority of people who buy an HDTV and plug in with rca jacks just like in their old tv and think now they are hd. the majority of the public still isnt well informed on HD

 

[PuppetMaster]

Watch PE all the time on PS3. Yeah. There are difference, but nothing compare to going from VHS > DVD. If wanted to put it into relative number, VHS > DVD = 10. DVD > BR = 3-4.

Maybe your TV is just not big enough to enjoy BR/HD movies.

If you had a small TV in the VHS era (15-20") moving to DVD hardly brought a shocking different either. The biggests advantage would have been about the convinence of not having to rewind tapes and having a chapter menu etc. And of course 5.1 sound.

A decent VHS player hooked up with Svideo didn't look that bad. And if you had SVHS recordings, it was even better.

VHS -> DVD: 480i -> 480p (only 2x the resolution)
DVD -> BR/HD: 480p -> 1080p (A whopping 6x the resolution)

 

[pr0cs]

If you had a small TV in the VHS era (15-20") moving to DVD hardly brought a shocking different either. The biggests advantage would have been about the convinence of not having to rewind tapes and having a chapter menu etc. And of course 5.1 sound.

those are pretty huge advantages and easily eclipse all the advantages of going from DVD->BD or HD-DVD. This is why I think the HD movie adoption rate hasn't been high and likely won't be until the sucessor to BD comes out or they do something with BD to make it a more obvious of an upgrade.