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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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Amir0x

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faceless007 said:
So who was the third person killed?

It was Tyrus, Gus and Tio. Of course they're all dead. No question. Tyrus was a throwaway character anyway, no reason to bring him back if Gus is no longer around. Only Mike possibly has a reason for returning, his character has been developed fully over two seasons and he has developed a relationship with Walt and especially Jesse that needs to be continued.
 

zychi

Banned
faceless007 said:
So who was the third person killed?
If this is directed at me, the old lady next door having a heart attack or something from the explosion. Again, i think tyrus is dead, but no body = no proof. Its why i think we saw gus like two face, to prove hes dead.
 
Great episode, but the Gus shot was thisclose to a jump-the-shark moment. Good god, who the fuck thought that was a good idea. The scene was awesome, but that was just a stupid cgi shot.

Still, great finale great season. I think S3 was better though. I can't even guess where the show goes now
 

Amir0x

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xbhaskarx said:
What happens when Brock identifies Walt or Gus' security guy as the one who gave him the poison?

presumably they snuck the poison on his food or something, no way would they have been that obvious
 

Dragon

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xbhaskarx said:
What happens when Brock identifies Walt or Gus' security guy as the one who gave him the poison?

I do wonder how Walt got Brock to eat the berries. I'm assuming slipping it into his lunch somehow if we're going off of that school schedule?
 

Hiltz

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That did feel like quite a goofy death. I had to rewind it two times to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. It wasn't that satisfying not like how it was in The Shield's ending where the strike force guys all get screwed over in different ways.


It kind of bugs me how easily the situations fall into place so conveniently. How would Walt expect Gus to keep watch over the old man especially when its outside of his retirement home? What was the reason for Gus even doing this in the first place?
 
That terminator shot of Gus was the goofiest shit ever. It totally took me out of the scene, marring an otherwise brilliant moment and finale. Putting that in was such a stupid decision.
 

Dragon

Banned
Hiltz said:
It kind of bugs me how easily the situations fall into place so conveniently. How would Walt expect Gus to keep watch over the old man especially when its outside of his retirement home? What was the reason for Gus even doing this in the first place?

Hector did kill his best friend in the whole world. Gus wanted to torture Hector, especially considering he knew that he was helpless. He had his man check everything and the guy just failed utterly. It was hubris that killed Gus and that's what's going to kill Walt in the end as well.

I'm sure there are going to be repercussions from the Cartel and any remaining Gus loyalists. Not sure where Mike falls.
 

LQX

Member
Did the script for the season ending leak out weeks in advance? About two weeks ago when people were making predictions someone predicted Gus and Tyus would die. Hmmm.

Overall I liked it but that half gone head, dead walk was so damn cheesy. Hell, this and the last episode were exceptionally cheesy and the conclusion takes away from that amazing episode where Walt went nuts as its now clear he orchestrated everything and it was all for show.
 

Speevy

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I think the scene, cheesy or not, was meant to give the audience one last look at Gustavo Fring before they ended the character.

To see nothing, you may as well assume he's not dead. Just hearing it from another character isn't as satisfying, is it?
 

ezekial45

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Hiltz said:
That did feel like quite a goofy death. I had to rewind it two times to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. It wasn't that satisfying not like how it was in The Shield's ending where the strike force guys all get screwed over in different ways.


It kind of bugs me how easily the situations fall into place so conveniently. How would Walt expect Gus to keep watch over the old man especially when its outside of his retirement home? What was the reason for Gus even doing this in the first place?
He thought Tio snitched to the DEA and his "friend" was murdered by him. Plus his pride and his desire for true revenge got the best of him. That was reason enough for hm to want to take care of him.
 

Speevy

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LQX said:
Did the script for the season ending leak out weeks in advance? About two weeks ago when people were making predictions someone predicted Gus and Tyus would die. Hmmm.

Overall I liked it but that half gone head, dead walk was so damn cheesy. Hell, this and the last episode were exceptionally cheesy and the conclusion takes away from that amazing episode where Walt went nuts as its now clear he orchestrated everything and it was all for show.


If not for the last episode, Jesse would still be working for Gus.
 
Speevy said:
I think the scene, cheesy or not, was meant to give the audience one last look at Gustavo Fring before they ended the character.

To see nothing, you may as well assume he's not dead. Just hearing it from another character isn't as satisfying, is it?

one last look huh
 
I knew Walt poisoned Brock when he said to Jesse that Gus is always 10 steps ahead and his plan was "Brilliant". Walt is the one who knocks!


So what was that spoiler pic that was floating around?
 

Jeramii

Banned
god i love this show. this last episode was great (along with all the episodes leading up to it from season 1 episode 1. haha).
 

midonnay

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FantasticMrFoxdie said:
I knew Walt poisoned Brock when he said to Jesse that Gus is always 10 steps ahead and his plan was "Brilliant". Walt is the one who knocks!


So what was that spoiler pic that was floating around?

face off!!!
 

Speevy

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brianjones said:
one last look huh


Yeah and the weirdness of the moment was keeping with the tradition of weird moments on the show. Head on a turtle, pizza on a roof, plane crash, cousin crawling across the flor without any limbs, etc.

It's a gamble when you try to put a memorable image on-screen.
 

midonnay

Member
_dementia said:
When Mike wakes up he's going to be confused.

I reckon Mike is going to show up in those webisodes they sometimes show in between seasons

edit:FantasticMrFoxdie: yes, it was horrid....but the hector scene made up for it.
 
Speevy said:
Yeah and the weirdness of the moment was keeping with the tradition of weird moments on the show. Head on a turtle, pizza on a roof, plane crash, cousin crawling across the flor without any limbs, etc.

It's a gamble when you try to put a memorable image on-screen.

i dunno i think gus's reaction to realizing tito had a bomb was plenty enough

i feel like the writers thought gus was too "bad ass" to die like a normal person so they had him go out like the cartoon character he was

the whole slow motion walk into the nursing home was ridiculous as well
 

Dan

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LQX said:
Did the script for the season ending leak out weeks in advance? About two weeks ago when people were making predictions someone predicted Gus and Tyus would die. Hmmm.
Most people were assuming Gus was a goner from all the way back at the S4 premiere. It was inevitable. It only became increasingly inevitable as the season went on. And Tyrus has just been asking for it.
 

Amir0x

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Speevy said:
I think the scene, cheesy or not, was meant to give the audience one last look at Gustavo Fring before they ended the character.

To see nothing, you may as well assume he's not dead. Just hearing it from another character isn't as satisfying, is it?

they could have just shown his corpse on the floor instead of him walking and adjusting his tie
 
Amir0x said:
Committing other crimes where you critically endanger the lives of innocents is a better option than accepting responsibility for the choices you made?

Man, I never knew GAF was so filled with so many... interesting future serial killers.
It's a TV show, and it makes his character interesting and easy to root for in a cathartic sort of way that doesn't fit within the mold of society, but rather a more primal set of fight-or-flight, dog eat dog impulses. We celebrate all sorts of things like this if you're really willing to nitpick this kind of shit.
 

AwesomeSauce

MagsMoonshine
Just finished... And god damn what a finale.

Damn you Walt you Son of a gun. I kind of wish I didn't read those Walt poisoned theories, would of made the revelation a lot more shocking without me thinking about it in the back of my mind along with all the other theories I had baking in my head lol.

Gus's last scream was idk chilling. His death was disturbing and the last shot of him was border on cheesy, and nasty. Still was crazy.


what a fantastic show, now to watch some How to make it in America to offset the tension lol.
 

RaidenZR

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cacophony said:
I just can't get over how dumb that 2-face/tie adjustment thing was. If he just got blown the fuck up I probably wouldn't mind it much.

Totally with you. This shot has diminished the show for me greatly. I'm really surprised no one involved could look at that and see how stylistically comical and clashing it was with the entire series. This whole episode was fine for me, except that extra, final Gus shot. Comic book-levels of silly, and gratuitous, when all you needed was a slow pan of the bombed-out room from the hallway, showing bodies on the ground.
 
Wow, the neighbor lady that Walt sought to sacrifice in order to protect himself was Vince Gilligan's mom!
lol.gif
 

Jeramii

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Amir0x said:
they could have just shown his corpse on the floor instead of him walking and adjusting his tie

it was probably to make people go "what the fuck!?!?! NO?? HE LIVED? that doesn't even make sense......! ooooooh ok. He's dead."

I only say that, because this was basically my reaction. It was a bit cheesy, but I thought it was fine.
 

Amir0x

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FantasticMrFoxdie said:

The entire song has amazingly enlightening lyrics for the show:

Bright nights cease coming to me, and
Some day
They'll punish my deeds, and they'll find
All the crimes

But then they ask when they going to see them
Then they're going to
Ask to feel the ghosts, the walls, the dreams
Oh, I've got mine

I think this is Vince Gilligan telling us exactly where the show is heading.

At last those coming came and they never looked back
With blinding stars in their eyes but all they saw was black

Fooled them, hoping to seem
Like the sweat of evil
But the product of greed, and
It's not a mask, so be honest with me
They can't afford to ignore that I'm a disease

Practical, since we had to be, and
When they were old they came back to me
And they tried, oh they tried

"They can't afford to ignore that I'm a disease." Has anything more accurate ever been said about Walt?
 

midonnay

Member
perhaps the "FACE OFF" scene was the BB creators shoutout to that speculation that Jesse may not have shot whathisname in the last season finale...

there is no doubt about it now....
 
Jeramii said:
it was probably to make people go "what the fuck!?!?! NO?? HE LIVED? that doesn't even make sense......! ooooooh ok. He's dead."

I only say that, because this was basically my reaction. It was a bit cheesy, but I thought it was fine.

I thought the reveal was that he was a robot from all the descriptions of the spoiler pic beforehand of how ridiculous it was.

Well I was wrong about everything, but still a damn good finale. Still disappointed though that from the sounds of that Sepinwall interview, we will never know how Walt actually managed to poison Brock, but I guess its insignificant in the long run.
 

joshcryer

it's ok, you're all right now
That was amazing. For what some may have considered a mediocre season I sure did find it amazing and fascinating and awesome.

Walt is going to go down so bad, but it's going to be so unsatisfying because either he'll die or be dead soon after.

The ploy to get Jesse back on his side was predicted here by many, and I figured it'd go that way, but it was damn fucking evil how he did it. And super manipulative. They will not be able to have Jesse go against him until the end of the show (when Jesse puts together that Walt poisoned Brock, as I'm sure Saul will blurt it out some day, "Weird how Walt asked me to swipe that ricin from you.")
 

ZoddGutts

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RedStep said:
Dude, every time?

Walt is complex, twisted, and does bad things to serve himself. Like all of us. And we relate because we all do these things in different situations. We understand why he does it, which doesn't make it good or right. As an actor, he is compelling. Who exactly are you trying to call out?

Funny thing is Amirox is best example of this. :p
 

Ænima

Member
I loved the Gus shot. Breaking Bad has never shied away from going over-the-top (Turtle-head, the twins, etc) and I think it gives the show its own charm.
 

Amir0x

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ZoddGutts said:
Funny thing is Amirox is best example of this. :p

?

didn't know rolllin' on Ecstasy was in the same morally corrupt level of poisoning innocent children and putting poor old ladies in harm way to protect my ass (protip: taking drugs is not immoral at all, in fact)

I always take responsibility for my actions. I expect no one to go down for what I do but myself.
 
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