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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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BigAT said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they should have just laid the Emmy at his bedside after that speech.
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I think they submitted Half Measure for him and not that episode, which is crazy if true. I might be remembering wrong though
 
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BigAT said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they should have just laid the Emmy at his bedside after that speech.

"I am not turning down the money! I am turning down you! You get it?! I want nothing to do with you! Ever since I met you, everything I ever cared about is gone! Ruined, turned to shit, dead, ever since I hooked up with the great Heisenberg! I have never been more alone! I HAVE NOTHING! NO ONE! ALRIGHT, IT'S ALL GONE, GET IT? No, no, no, why...why would you get it? What do you even care, as long as you get what you want, right? You don't give a shit about me! You said I was no good. I'm nothing! Why would you want me, huh? You said my meth is inferior, right? Right? Hey! You said my cook was GARBAGE! Hey, screw you, man! Screw you!"

The text alone doesn't do it justice, but I can't find it on Youtube.
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Best. Ever.
 
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BenjaminBirdie said:
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Best. Ever.
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It is generally just an amazing episode from start to finish. Although Bryan Cranston deserves every one of his plaudits, Aaron Paul deserves way more credit than he seems to get.
 
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dave is ok said:
I guess in the script the shot ended on the happy face for some reason. No clue what the writer was thinking.
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lol really?

I keep trying to listen to the commentaries but aside from Odies, everyone on that show is sadly boring.
 
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dave is ok said:
I guess in the script the shot ended on the happy face for some reason. No clue what the writer was thinking.
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Maybe to show that Jesse was happy he got Walt's approval.
 
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Copernicus said:
Maybe to show that Jesse was happy he got Walt's approval.
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Yeah, I think it was to make Jesse calling Walt to accept his offer less out of nowhere but the sad face worked better for that same purpose
 
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Hank's showdown is a kindergarten play about flowers compared to the towering performance Aaron Paul gives earlier in the episode. Up there with Badger and Skinny in the support group.

"YOU DON'T GET IT. I'M SAYING NO. TO YOU."

The stuff at the end pales in comparison.
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Yea, that was the most arresting shit. You just want jesse to leave the show forever after that happens.
 
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xandaca said:
It is generally just an amazing episode from start to finish. Although Bryan Cranston deserves every one of his plaudits, Aaron Paul deserves way more credit than he seems to get.
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Paul did just win an Emmy. I agree he's excellent, but it seems now he is started to get some credit.
 
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10+ minutes of Breaking Bad talk on this week's Sepinwall / Fienberg podcast:

- Firewall & Iceberg Podcast, episode 83: 'Breaking Bad,' 'Damages,' 'Alphas' & more
Welcome to what we hope will be the first of two episodes of the Firewall & Iceberg Podcast this week: one a standard review show, and then an Emmy nominations discussion on Thursday. (And if you're a "Friday Night Lights" fan watching the show on NBC, you'll get a third bonus podcast with the all-"FNL" podcast Dan and I recorded in the winter.) Today's run-down:
"Alphas" -- 02:00 - 14:15
"Damages" -- 14:15 - 26:00
"Breaking Bad" -- 26:35 - 37:15
Listener Mail focusing more on TV/Film Actors -- 37:20 - 52:50
"Twin Peaks" -- 52:55 - 01:03:30
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dave is ok said:
Looks like iTunes has a sneak peek of the premiere. Also, a short clip was played on Bryan Cranstons' appearance on The View.
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Nice. Glad they're starting to ramp up the promotional material. Just remember to use spoiler tags, folks.
 
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- NY Magazine Slide Show: Charting the Increasing Evil of Walter White
When we first met Walter White on AMC's Breaking Bad, he was a meek high-school chemistry teacher who, on his off hours, got yelled at by his car-wash boss. One cancer diagnosis and four seasons later, he has a thriving meth business, millions of dollars to be laundered, enemies on both sides of the law, and an ever-increasing body count. It's quite a transformation, but this kind of swerve toward villainy didn't happen in one episode. On the occasion of the season-four premiere (Sunday, July 17 at 10 p.m.), we decided to systematically break down Walt's progression to the dark side, looking at the major events of the series and estimating where they pushed him (or pulled him back) on a scale of Badness, which goes from 1 (boy scout) to 10 (pure evil).
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Cornballer said:
- NY Magazine Slide Show: Charting the Increasing Evil of Walter White
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Murder, Incorporated

To protect Jesse (friends once more), Walt runs over two rival drug dealers in his car, then shoots one of them in the head.

Badness: 7.5. Before, all of Walt's kills were either indirectly caused or an act of self-preservation. Now he's just a cold-blooded, premeditated killer.
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Dunno about all that. It came as a shock but he was obviously saving Jesse's life. They also imply it would have been okay as self-preservation, but it's somehow worse if he's saving someone else? :p

That was a hell of a scene, though. It showed that Walt was more comfortable with killing but I don't think that made him worse than before, since those guys would have killed Jesse, but rather increasingly more comfortable with his new life and the stuff surrounding it.
 
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Zeliard said:
Dunno about all that. It came as a shock but he was obviously saving Jesse's life. They also imply it would have been okay as self-preservation, but it's somehow worse if he's saving someone else? :p

That was a hell of a scene, though. It showed that Walt was more comfortable with killing but I don't think that made him worse than before, since those guys would have killed Jesse, but rather increasingly more comfortable with his new life and the stuff surrounding it.
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If you look at the previous slide, they actually decrease his 'evil level' based on this.
 
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Zeliard said:
Dunno about all that. It came as a shock but he was obviously saving Jesse's life. They also imply it would have been okay as self-preservation, but it's somehow worse if he's saving someone else? :p

That was a hell of a scene, though. It showed that Walt was more comfortable with killing but I don't think that made him worse than before, since those guys would have killed Jesse, but rather increasingly more comfortable with his new life and the stuff surrounding it.
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Running them over is fair enough as that does save Jesse, but when he gets out of the car, picks up the gun, shoots the guy in the head, that is not just about self preservation. He didn't have to kill that guy, kicking the gun away would have been the way S1 Walt would have dealt with it.
 
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RobotNinjaHornets said:
I'm half surprised at the lack of getting into a drinking contest with your son to the point that he vomits all over the pool >_>
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Walt is such a dick.
 
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Copernicus said:
Surprised they didn't move the evil level when he got Saul's secretary to call up Hank. That was all kinds of fucked.

But they did move it for Sky joining in? That's stupid. It was Sky's idea to get lumped in at that point.
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curiously, that was the exact moment I realized he was beyond redemption. Even above and beyond the murder: it's a moment so small, yet so purely, unarguably wrong... so fucking cold-hearted... that it cannot be justified by any means.
 
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tokkun said:
If you look at the previous slide, they actually decrease his 'evil level' based on this.
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True.

satriales said:
Running them over is fair enough as that does save Jesse, but when he gets out of the car, picks up the gun, shoots the guy in the head, that is not just about self preservation. He didn't have to kill that guy, kicking the gun away would have been the way S1 Walt would have dealt with it.
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I don't necessarily disagree; at the same time, if Jesse doesn't put himself in a position where he's about to be killed by Gus' two dealers, then Walt doesn't have to go save him.

I think Walt's effects on other people are his most 'evil' actions on the show, i.e. what Walt did with Jesse and Gale. Jesse has shown to be not only impressionable but particularly with respect to Walt, and Walt ultimately puts Jesse down a path he's going to have difficulty turning back in, killing a man for the first time and at a young age. You could see the agony in Jesse's eyes in the final season of S3 prior to pulling the trigger, so just imagine how he's going deal with the emotional ramifications, especially as he's already been shown sinking into deep depressions over other events.

And while Gale was himself a meth cook and not completely innocent, almost every scene featuring him prior to the finale had him trying to be friendly with Walt, and the finale itself had Gale doing blatantly innocuous things. Walt is at the point where he's a true criminal mastermind, since he's using other people as pawns in his scheme, where previously he mostly limited himself to debasement.
 
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"Stay Out Of My Territory."

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this has to be one the most impactful scenes in the show's entire run, and BB is full of them.
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Watching for of Peekaboo right now. This is a messed up episode...


- Variety review
Continuing to earn its stripes as TV's least predictable drama, "Breaking Bad" kicks off its fourth season with the key characters managing to stay alive, though for how long remains anybody's guess. Remarkably, series creator Vince Gilligan has created juicy new roles for virtually every one of the principals, while layering on intriguing new characters through the run -- from Jonathan Banks' weary "fixer" to Bob Odenkirk's sleazy lawyer. Either appropriately or ironically for a show about meth cookers, "Bad" is simply one of TV's great addictions.
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- Spoilers from E!Online:
Chris in San Diego: Breaking Bad scoop? How much does Gale's shooting mess up Jesse?

The shooting of Gale messes up Jesse (Aaron Paul) big-time—and his pretty new house, too. As triple Emmy-winning star Bryan Cranston explained to us at the show's L.A. premiere, "He's in a dire position...That changes a person, when you have to do that. Right now Jesse is grieving, in a way that he can't be alone. He's haunted by his memories, so he needs to have activity around him. And Walt is just not understanding that. He's misconstruing that to be, he's not dealing with it. And in a way he's not." One person who does deal with it is Gus Fring (Giancarlo Esposito)—in a scene so shocking one woman needed medical treatment after seeing it on the big screen. (Maybe you should have some smelling salts handy when you watch Sunday's season premiere?)
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I need to stop teasing myself with this thread, I keep peaking in and getting excited before realizing I'm going to miss the entire season :(
 
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On my rewatch of season three, I thought of something I didn't realize my first time through. When Walt begins cooking meth in Gus' superlab, shouldn't his meth be clear as opposed to blue? The only reason it was blue in the first place was because it was a workaround for the lack of pseudoephedrine, but in Gus' lab I figure they had that covered.

I mean, I'm sure Gus' lab has the same equipment as other superlabs, so how come his is the only one that produces blue meth? It just draws needless attention from the DEA. Keep Heisenberg off the authorities' radar. I'm sure meth heads don't really discriminate between Blue Sky and the normal stuff as long as they can get their fix, so the blue color isn't really a seal of approval or anything.
 
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Jack Scofield said:
On my rewatch of season three, I thought of something I didn't realize my first time through. When Walt begins cooking meth in Gus' superlab, shouldn't his meth be clear as opposed to blue? The only reason it was blue in the first place was because it was a workaround for the lack of pseudoephedrine, but in Gus' lab I figure they had that covered.

I mean, I'm sure Gus' lab has the same equipment as other superlabs, so how come his is the only one that produces blue meth? It just draws needless attention from the DEA. Keep Heisenberg off the authorities' radar. I'm sure meth heads don't really discriminate between Blue Sky and the normal stuff as long as they can get their fix, so the blue color isn't really a seal of approval or anything.
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Walt demonstrates that he has an ego connection to his formula throughout season 3, so it would not be surprising for him to continue using that formula in the new lab.
 
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Jack Scofield said:
On my rewatch of season three, I thought of something I didn't realize my first time through. When Walt begins cooking meth in Gus' superlab, shouldn't his meth be clear as opposed to blue? The only reason it was blue in the first place was because it was a workaround for the lack of pseudoephedrine, but in Gus' lab I figure they had that covered.

I mean, I'm sure Gus' lab has the same equipment as other superlabs, so how come his is the only one that produces blue meth? It just draws needless attention from the DEA. Keep Heisenberg off the authorities' radar. I'm sure meth heads don't really discriminate between Blue Sky and the normal stuff as long as they can get their fix, so the blue color isn't really a seal of approval or anything.
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Judging from the Wikipedia article on Methylamine, it has several uses beyond just making crystal meth.

Pseudoephedrine is a drug, so I imagine that someone buying HUGE quantities of the stuff would draw a lot more attention than someone acquiring a lot of commercial solvents.

That, and it's not like the blue meth is inferior, or even harder to make from what we've seen. The bottleneck to this recipe was acquiring the Methylamine, and since Gus has his chemical supplier, it's a non-issue.
 
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They make it blue on purpose, its' a branding thing. It makes it stand out from non-Heisenberg meth, you know you're getting the quality shit.
I believe at one point there was even the implication that they could charge more for it?
 
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- Sepinwall Interview: 'Breaking Bad' co-star Aaron Paul (video)
The new season of "Breaking Bad" debuts Sunday night at 10 on AMC, and it's terrific. I'm going to publish my review tomorrow, but I wanted to kick off four days of "Breaking Bad"-related coverage with the first of the three video interviews I conducted when I was in Albuquerque a few months back, this one with one of the show's two reigning Emmy winners: Aaron Paul.

Aaron and I spoke about how the show's third season was full of big speeches for Jesse Pinkman, the Emmy experience, what was going through his mind as he shot the dramatic final scene of that season, and more. I hope you enjoy it, and I apologize in advance for my shoddy FlipCam cinematography. A show as gorgeous as "Breaking Bad" deserves better camerawork than I was able to provide, but hopefully the conversation's entertaining in spite of that. (Worse comes to worst, just listen while looking at pictures of lolcats.)
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Jack Scofield said:
On my rewatch of season three, I thought of something I didn't realize my first time through. When Walt begins cooking meth in Gus' superlab, shouldn't his meth be clear as opposed to blue? The only reason it was blue in the first place was because it was a workaround for the lack of pseudoephedrine, but in Gus' lab I figure they had that covered.

I mean, I'm sure Gus' lab has the same equipment as other superlabs, so how come his is the only one that produces blue meth? It just draws needless attention from the DEA. Keep Heisenberg off the authorities' radar. I'm sure meth heads don't really discriminate between Blue Sky and the normal stuff as long as they can get their fix, so the blue color isn't really a seal of approval or anything.
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Everyone on the street knew about the blue meth. Walt would probably want to keep it blue as his "signature".
 
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tycoonheart said:
Everyone on the street knew about the blue meth. Walt would probably want to keep it blue as his "signature".
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It went to blue when they started using P2P didn't it? I would think the super lab would continue using that method as opposed to trying to come up with huge amounts of pseudo.
 
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