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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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Imm0rt4l

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Speevy said:
Here's food for thought.

Knowing what we now know, was Gus more deserving of our sympathy than Walt?
I'd say one is just as bad as the other, walt is the more irrational, emotional, while gus is much more cold, rational, detached, which makes him more effective as a business man/drug dealer. I think Gus realized just how much of a cancer walt is.
 
KarmaCow said:
Not as a cartoon character. The brothers pulling a 'cool guys don't look explosions' was one thing, but that was too much. I might have warmed up to if he didn't adjust his tie. Ugh.
Him adjusting his tie was an act of denial whilst in shock. This isn't far-fetched.
 

TheSeks

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Speevy said:
I feel for him. He worked hard, took care of his friends, and tried to keep his word.

Those are admirable qualities in a drug dealer.

:lol Yeah, just like he took care of Mike at the end of the Mexico trip who nearly gave his life to make sure Gus survived. OH WAIT.

No. Gus "worked hard," sure. But he was running a business. Walt/Jessie/Mike, etc. etc. etc. are just cogs in the machine for him.
 

Sanjuro

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I don't think the show is leading towards a Walt vs. Jessie scenario. There is no doubt Jessie has been manipulated, but I don't see anything productive coming from anything else for the remainder of the series.

In a sick way, Jessie has actually become a better person since we were introduced to him. Chalk that up to great acting by Aaron Paul for really embodying that character and displaying the changes Jessie has gone through.
 

Calion

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I think the most disappointing characteristic for Gustavo was that he wore a clip-on tie when managed Los Pollos Hermanos. WTF.
 
That shot really had to hold up in HD and it did. I looked at it a couple of times and IMO it was just as good if not better than Harvey Dent in TKDR.
 
Verdre said:
Who on earth has sympathy for Gus outside of a single flashback?
It didn't have to be the way Gus made it. Gus living by his strictly professional rule was his choice, and by that he knew what the consequences and potential dangers there would be. He was more confident because he has money, men and resources Walt does not. And even with all of that, he got one thing wrong. This, is not a bell. Cue explosion.
Drug lords don't know bout dat chemistry
 

xxracerxx

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Gary Whitta said:
That shot really had to hold up in HD and it did. I looked at it a couple of times and IMO it was just as good if not better than Harvey Dent in TKDR.
I personally would not go that far. TDK was pretty damn good.
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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bangladesh said:
It didn't have to be the way Gus made it. Gus living by his strictly professional rule was his choice, and by that he knew what the consequences and potential dangers there would be. He was more confident because he has money, men and resources Walt does not. And even with all of that, he got one thing wrong. This, is not a bell. Cue explosion.
Drug lords don't know bout dat chemistry
His last scream in horror is so cathartic, forever. All of it rushes in - the connecting of the dots, the terror of death, the knowledge that he was finally got, by his worst enemies. The whole scene is just unimpeachable, how much Gus gloats about what he's going to do. His only flaw, this whole series. Excellent. The writers had to've been racking their brains most of this off season just thinking of how they were going to get The Ultimate, Gus, to believably walk into that room. Nailed it.
 

ezekial45

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Gary Whitta said:
Agreed, Cranston and Paul should be locks. And it should just win everything else as well.

I'd like see Esposito get a nom too. But either way, he's got quite a future ahead of him now. Since he's freed up now, he's probably gonna get a ton of new offers now.

Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Give me more Breaking Bad songs...now.


Like this?

ezekial45 said:
I spent some time rewatching episodes this season, and I have to say they have some great, great choices in their music. This season in particular has some best uses of music of the entire series.

Alexander - Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2NVUZp9rsA

Fever Ray - If I Had A Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1JVxqpg-Rs

Ana Tijoux - 1977
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zOnbbUGdsg
 

Amir0x

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Speevy said:
But think about all the people he didn't kill. He cares.

and at least he only got close to killing the innocent child, he showed real relief when he wasn't dead

what a nice guy. i wish i could invite him over for dinner! ;)
 
I think Jesse will eventually figure out what Walt did, but Walt will lead Hank to Jesse to save his own ass, or at least try to. Hank already has a bad history with Jesse and he's still pissed.
 

Stet

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I'm glad Jesse appears to be happy finally. I just wanted to give him a hug all season.

Cheer up, buddy.

s59xe1.gif
 

Raxus

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NYR said:
Walter White is a dick. Absolute dick. How can any have empathy for him anymore? He's turned into the antithesis of what he was the first two seasons. As soon as they told him his cancer was in remission, he went full retard.
That'sthejoke.gif.

More like that's the point.

We are watching the destruction of a man as he becomes more and more like Tony Montana. He isn't supposed to be likeable.

Now that Gus is gone and so many others. Who outside of Walt's circle, Saul and Mike are left standing. For a slow season, it was a bloodbath.
 

xbhaskarx

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Oh I thought that was the sickest thing ever. That shot? The reveal? Beautiful.

Especially thematically. You're first thought is "WHAT THE FUCK he is a FUCKING ROBOT" and then pan around.

All too human.
Yup.
 

cacophony

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SpeedingUptoStop said:
I think Esposito has to get it from Paul, only because it's his last year, heh.

Agree. they both deserve it but I would hate to see Giancarlo not get it since he has no shot next year.
 
One major and imo very overlooked thing I wanna point out about this episode is the performance given by Mark Margolis. (Hector/Tio) The expressions of Hector's final moment before he blows himself up was incredible and infinitely moving. His character wasn't exactly someone to root for but even with that considered, you still feel him recalling personal customs and memories from the past. Showing another part of him that is as pure as anyone else's before he swallows it all down and claims his vengeance.
 
What's burning me up inside my mind grapes is what Jesse asks Walt.
Did Gus HAVE to die? I mean, he really didn't HAVE to die imo...

Also....the "I won"....man that is INSANE....and proves to be some kind of clue as to what next season might entail...
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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bangladesh said:
One major and imo very overlooked thing I wanna point out about this episode is the performance given by Mark Margolis. (Hector/Tio) The expressions of Hector's final moment before he blows himself up was incredible and infinitely moving. His character wasn't exactly someone to root for but even with that considered, you still feel him recalling personal customs and memories from the past. Showing another part of him that is as pure as anyone else's before he swallows it all down and claims his vengeance.
His performance as Tio is so believable I'm not even sure people realize he is acting. I know I forget he's just an actor when he's doing his thing, even with that flashback showing him walking around all normal. It's completely natural, he just blends in.
 

ezekial45

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shadyspace said:
lol Walt killed 5 people in this episode.
Technically, it was Tio that did 3 of them.

For Walt;
Emilio, Crazy 8, Jane (he was responsible for her falling on her back, and he didn't save her), the two drug dealers in Half Measures, and the two guards in the superlab.
 
Amir0x said:
I think Hank has to find out, but Jesse has to cause the downfall (and I hope death).

Now that I think about it, this actually might be a better fit for the show than what I had in mind. Hank taking down Heisenberg and Jesse being freed from this poisonous man is a fairly just ending. But Hank having an "I caught him on the wire and he doesn't fucking know it" moment and Jesse turning into someone who kills of his own free will? It puts the characters in a much darker final place. I like it.
 

Raxus

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bangladesh said:
One major and imo very overlooked thing I wanna point out about this episode is the performance given by Mark Margolis. (Hector/Tio) The expressions of Hector's final moment before he blows himself up was incredible and infinitely moving. His character wasn't exactly someone to root for but even with that considered, you still feel him recalling personal customs and memories from the past. Showing another part of him that is as pure as anyone else's before he swallows it all down and claims his vengeance.
Shame he won't get an Emmy nod since he didn't have a speaking roll (even in "Hermanos" he didn't say much).

I doubt Mike will play a critical role in the next season but it is perhaps for the best. He can live to be gruff and snarky another day.
 

Amir0x

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Puddles said:
So I haven't been able to watch this episode yet.

Was it good?

definitely. makes Walt out to be a much more sympathetic character, maybe you were right about that chap!

Eggplant Wizard said:
Now that I think about it, this actually might be a better fit for the show than what I had in mind. Hank taking down Heisenberg and Jesse being freed from this poisonous man is a fairly just ending. But Hank having an "I caught him on the wire and he doesn't fucking know it" moment and Jesse turning into someone who kills of his own free will? It puts the characters in a much darker final place. I like it.

Yup. I don't know how Jesse would find out about Brock and Jane yet, but I have to figure the writers will find a way
 
Raxus said:
That'sthejoke.gif.

More like that's the point.

We are watching the destruction of a man as he becomes more and more like Tony Montana. He isn't supposed to be likeable.

Now that Gus is gone and so many others. Who outside of Walt's circle, Saul and Mike are left standing. For a slow season, it was a bloodbath.
I prefer to see it as a man growing into his potential. You come to have immense respect for Gus regardless of the fact that he is a ruthless killer. He's a pragmatic businessman who gets things done. He's smart, he's capable, he's decisive, he just happens to not obey the rules. And I gain even more respect for Walt after he topples him not only because of what Gus was, but because they did such an excellent job selling it. You actually buy that Gus would expose himself in the situation he finds himself in to deal with this problem, and it makes Walt that much more brilliant for coaxing him out.

Walt is just so focused and on point in this episode. I don't give a shit about the kid or Tyrus or the nameless henchmen Walt blows away in this episode. Fuck'em. Our little Walt's growing up. Nobody wants to see bitch Walt getting his ass kicked. We want to see Heisenberg. He is the danger.
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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Rewatching this Gus video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSG07IgmNyA

I had a thought - Gilligan has a thing for clothes on this show, very particular.

You guys notice how Gus is always wearing bright colors when he is being inconspicuous Gus, sometimes even with a streak of dark on them (Purple tie on yellow shirt), where as when he is Drug Dealer Gus, he is always wearing Dark tones? And when he is at home with Walt or Jesse, he's wearing a blander mix of the two (with Walt, it's a brown, Jesse an even darker color)?

Something to reflect on when you rewatch him change out of his Los Pollos clip on tie again and wonder how deliberate that shot is.
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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Copernicus said:
Pretty crazy how Jesse still questioned where Gus had to go.
It's not even about him being uncertain, it's about him asking his now solidified father figure, Mr. White, what the "right" thing was. That's the final tragedy of Jesse's character this season, because he is most definitely still in the wrong hands.
 
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