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Old Gimlet Eyes
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Our own Genesis Knight has and this is what he had to say....derFeef said:
Genesis Knight said:
That's not the point. The point is that TF2 got released and packaged with 2 singleplayer games. Reviewers were basing their thoughts on how worthwhile the entire Orange Box was, not just TF2.zoner said:
But the issue here is whether or not Brink will get criticized for not having real singleplayer.commissar said:
My point in previous posts was that TF2 isn't applicable when trying to illustrate how some reviewers favor one MP-focused game over another because TF2 came with HL2: Episode 2 and Portal, two singleplayer games. If TF2 was released and sold for $50 (PC) or $60 (360/PS3) as it was in 2007 then reviewers would have slammed it for not having any real singleplayer or bot support. Likewise, Brink is going to get slammed for not having any real singleplayer.
Mister_Bubbles
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Also, a game has to be judged to some extent in relation to how it presents itself. TF2 was presented as a multiplayer package - so it gets judged on those merits - whereas Brink is being put forward as a story / cinematic narrative as well as a multiplayer experience, not helped by this drought of actual MP games footage.
Genesis Knight
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derFeef said:
They buff a bunch and revive and use their abilities, but they don't freerun and they suck at shooting. They also are oblivious; I would regularly flank four or five of them and shoot them all to pieces, reloading three times while they completely ignored me.
divisionbyzorro
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zlatko said:If anyone gets the psycho pack code tomorrow and doesn't want it let me know and I'll PayPal you $5.00 for it.
Since I withdrew from getting it from Amazon I won't get it and I really wanted it.
I'll be getting a Pyscho Pack code, and I don't want it, but I'd rather have another code (Fallout or Doom) than the $5. Find someone else to do a three-way trade and I'd be more than willing to help you out.
EDIT: And of course, Amazon only promises to e-mail the code within two days after the order ships, so keep that in mind.
BloodySinner
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Then perhaps they should have bundled 5 games into one like The Orange Box did.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Perhaps Bethesda and Splash Damage shouldn't have hyped up their bot matches as much as they have. I understand they made a pretty cool world with the Ark, but to sell bot matches with cutscenes as a singleplayer campaign is a joke. Reviewers will probably reflect that accordingly.BloodySinner said:
vidal said:
It will get hurt by it, but it is hypocritical to do so. People love to wax poetically about single player games not needing multiplayer modes and it shouldn't be docked for it. On the flipside, there is no reason a multiplayer based game should be required to have a single player mode.
I'll bet my new pair of shoes that LA Noire won't be punished for not having a multiplayer mode after the last two high profile Rockstar games had it.
Of course, Bethesda could always take down the names of those who dock Brink and bring it back up when it comes time for Skyrim reviews and press materials...
bengraven
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This was so hyped up by gaming journalists, though casual gamers seemed to have completely forgot about it.
THIS
My interest in Blands was fairly moderate before I saw the streams. A GAFfer I believe was playing, remember how damn smooth it looked even on 360 and was like "this on PC is going to fucking own".
And it has. 3 completely playthroughs so far.
Shoogoo said:
THIS
My interest in Blands was fairly moderate before I saw the streams. A GAFfer I believe was playing, remember how damn smooth it looked even on 360 and was like "this on PC is going to fucking own".
And it has. 3 completely playthroughs so far.
sixteen-bit
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The ascii art in the thread title kind of looks like the Galaga plane.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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I thought it as an x-wing, Lol. Pandoracell, just what is that supposed to be anyways?_dementia said:
Their obligated to dock points because there are still people out there with little access to the internet, shoddy internet or no internet at all. Reviewers are right to dock a MP game with no SP just for the PSN situation alone. Reviewers will be more than obligated to dock points and tell PS3 users in particular if Brink is worth buying for the SP if PSN is still down.Kintaro said:
walbertsmith
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Darkshier said:
One key reason why Splash Damage wanted to integrate the various modes is so that the time players invest in one mode wouldn't be "wasted" when switching to one of the other two modes. Basically, they're trying to minimize the huge skill leap that solo players face if they go online and face opponents with a much more advanced skillset than the pop-up targets they were used to facing in traditional single player modes.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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That terrible AI they have programmed certainly isn't going to help with that at all. Sure they might be able to level up offline and earn perks, but that isn't going to improve their skill for when/if they do go online. Not when playing against bots that have their combat training from Robert E Lee.walbertsmith said:
scorpscarx
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Darkshier said:
Are you kidding me, Robert E. Lee was a total badass.
Now if you were to say, Grant, then I might have believed you.
Starfish_Oxide
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walbertsmith said:
Cool thanks, is it worth the download?
walbertsmith
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Darkshier said:
Fair enough, I do agree, and I also think that the AI we've seen thus far has been severely lacking. However, while we've seen videos of "Hard mode" AI, we haven't seen videos of the same AI when the player is at a high character level (I don't think).
Presumably if a solo player completes both sides of the campaign, the two extra levels and at least level 2 of the challenges then he/she will be at or near the level cap. Ideally by this time the AI has ramped up to at least moderately prepare the player to jump online to real players.
walbertsmith
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Starfish_Oxide said:
By all accounts it seems to be the best showcase for the SMART system as the player has gotten very comfortable with the Light body type and it's limitations.
If you've got a decent connection I'd say it's worth the download if you're interested in what SMART can do; it's just under 10 minutes of footage.
Starfish_Oxide
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walbertsmith said:
Thats good enough for me, thanks.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Alright, alright, Ulysses "drunkass" Grant then. I wasn't going to put Sherman and Lee was the only other one I could remember. Seriously though, where is the Stars and Bars costume DLC pack for Brink? I would love to be able to dress the bots up in some old Civil War uniforms, would make the combat so much more authentic.scorpscarx said:
scorpscarx
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Darkshier said:
Haha.
Edit: Man, imagine a Civil War/French Revolution era shooter with cannons, bayonet melee combat, wild innacuracy, and huge puffs of smoke everywhere. That to my mind would be veryyyy fun.
I should rephrase my post. Reviewers should dock a MP-focused game if it has half-assed singleplayer (which, let's not bullshit ourselves, I've got the game pre-ordered and even I know Brink is going to have half-assed singleplayer) just like reviewers should dock SP-focused games with half-assed multiplayer.Kintaro said:
But please tell me your not doubting the fact that there are in fact people out there with shitty internet or very limited access to internet, you'd have live under a rock not to be aware of this. Like I said before, those people will want to know if Brink's SP is worth the purchase and so will many PS3 users if PSN is still down. Reviewers are in the right if they dock Brink points for its half-assed singleplayer.
divisionbyzorro
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Danne-Danger
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I figured it was the ark (though granted you wouldn't know if you didn't know the game), and it stands out from the rest of the threads on the first page. I think it's good as it is.Pandoracell said:The art in the thread title is supposed to be the Ark, but I sort of realize now that it's not very accurate or good looking, so I won't be doing anything like that for future threads
divisionbyzorro
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This is the part where things start to suck for me. I have to sit here in my hotel room in the Middle East and twiddle my thumbs until I'm back home in the good ol' USA this weekend to play this game, all the while reading about how (hopefully) awesome it is...
On the plus side, I'll have a better how to properly build my character since all of GAF will be ahead of me! Silver linings and all that.
On the plus side, I'll have a better how to properly build my character since all of GAF will be ahead of me! Silver linings and all that.
vidal said:
In general, I would agree. However, if the online makes up for it, it shouldn't matter. Call of Duty's single player sucks ass but no one cares. lol
It is not the up to the reviewer to EVER decide this. Ever. Tough shit for those who choose to live in places with shitty or no internet (yes, it is a choice). Same thing for PSN or any other network being up or down. It is not up to the reviewer. Otherwise, you can just start docking single player modes for not being absolutely perfect because there are people out there who run the risk of their consoles dying because of poor electrical set ups in their house.
It is not like the developers of Brink have EVER hid the fact that single player was bots with jump in/jump out co-op. It has been in magazines and online sites for a very long time. It amazes me in the age of Google where people can be so misinformed about basic features of a product.
SneakyStephan
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CS used to have tons of spread too, but it got toned down in the 1.6 patch and then toned down more with CSS.charsace said:
I prefered the spread from AA too, but the over the top headshot animation in cs did give it better feedback.
My favorite thing about AA was the grenades.
Let's all take a look at Brink's Amazon page.Kintaro said:
Single player campaign. They had the audacity to even call it a campaign. That's why it matters little how many times Bethesda said what in a magazine or news site. Bethesda is marketing the game as one that in fact has a campaign, to which people will interpret as actual singleplayer. Add to this, there is no mention at all of bots on the product page.
That's why it doesn't matter what you know or what you interpret as common knowledge. It's the reviewer's job to inform the public about a game and if the game is marketing itself as having a campaign when in reality it's just multiplayer maps with bots running around, then they are correct in slamming the singleplayer and docking the game points. It would be very stupid if a reviewer said something along the lines of, "Well, we were going to dock Brink some points for not having any real singleplayer but since this is common knowledge for some guys on the internet, we'll ignore it and act like none of our readers are interested in Brink's singleplayer...9/10!" The reality of it is, internet doesn't come free with every purchase of an Xbox 360 and as it's being demonstrated, buying a PlayStation 3 won't guarantee PSN being up 24/7, so I would not have any qualms with a reviewer docking Brink for its lack of good singleplayer. This shouldn't even be debated.
styl3s
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still on the fence about it, seems like it would be a pain in the ass to maneuver around like this on a controller and since i don't much care for PC gaming it's my only option "sadface"
I might see if redbox has it tomorrow, or if reviews start flowing in i might just pick it up tomorrow.
I might see if redbox has it tomorrow, or if reviews start flowing in i might just pick it up tomorrow.
weekend_warrior
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vidal said:
What the hell? Why would any reviewer in their right mind include HL2 in their review of TF2? They are completely different games. HL2 would have been included in the review of Orange Box, not TF2.
vidal said:
Ow, my head. Amazon says one thing, the official website says another.
Lets truly argue semantics since you are diving into that pool headfirst. How, exactly does it truly differ? You fight alongside of bots against AI bots. Don't you do this in Call of Duty? You're directed through damn near every single level...buy a bot as you fight other bots. Then you get a cutscene. Depending on the game, you get co-op too. Difference is, you don't get to take that character online. Is this truly that huge of a travesty?
Here is a thought, what if the story mode is still good? Do you still dock it?
It happens with multiplayer.
Once you start taking shit into account like "Well, not EVERYONE has internet...docked 3 points" we are entering stupid territory. Hell, one has to pay for Xbox Live. Should reviewers take THAT into account? Should Xbox versions get docked more? "Well, the MP is good, but we're not sure is good enough because you're paying for Live..."
At any rate, this won't matter. We saw this with Borderlands. The single player was a nothing mode and the game still sold millions with a metacritic of around 84. If Brink's MP is good, none of this will matter and reviewers can eat a dick. =)
fuzzyreactor
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wanted to get tis for ps3 but with psn down i might have to go with pc. worried my 5770 @ 1080p wont be able to cut it