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[The Artisan]

Ah, saw your follow up post which answered my question, thought i could edit it away in time. The er version shouldn't really be used by anyone, unless it's a black person trying make a statement (song, speech, etc). The a version should still only be used by black people. I'm mixed (half black, half white) but look hispanic. So i pretty much hold off on saying nigga until they know I'm black lol

You did edit it in time, because I have no idea what you quoted in the first place lol

Do you remember two summers ago when there was a controversy of a fraternity chanting, "There will never be a [explicit] in SAE!" ?

It's not about them being a celebrity as it is more so about hip hop culture.

Like Ice Cube said in Straight Outta Compton, music is a reflection of their reality. They used the word in their music and I'm sure they use it among themselves as well. Eminem is just as much a part of Hip Hop culture, but he uses it neither in his music, nor (presumably) in his regular life either.

Yes, I'm black.

Second, what the fuck are you on about?

There is no sometimes goddammit, YOU DON'T GET TO USE THE WORD, period.

You literally just said sometimes I can say it. And you didn't answer why it is sometimes. You glossed over that completely. I would like an answer though, if you have one.

Now, (despite what I just said) SOMETIMES a white person in a group of black friends is giving a "hood/black pass" that allows them to say things like "nigga." However, and here is the key, that pass ONLY applies to that group of friends. That same white person cannot go around calling every fucking black person they meet a "nigga." They were given a specific pass to be used at a specific time and place, they were not given a lifetime membership into the "nigga club."

I understand that and if you ask me, I don't think caucasian people should say it either unless their friends really don't give a shit. So I'll agree with you there.

I don't know what you are talking about with regards to the Luke Cage trailer.

Do you care to know? I'll try to explain further if you do.

And, I've already explained when non-black minorities are also allowed to use the word.

No you didn't. You said sometimes I can say it, and I asked why it is only sometimes and you didn't tell me why.

The word has unwritten nuance. Belly and DJ Khaled are both Palestinian, and a lot of rappers from the 80s and 90s with either being Muslim, having ties to the NoI or 5%'s saw solidarity with Palestinian people. Whether or not the sentiment is still relevant in 2016, Belly and DJ Khaled make their living with hip-hop. Knowing that, they've probably work and interact with black people on a daily basis.

So does Eminem.

In their circles, they probably throw the word around pretty often. Even then, not everybody in black communities would agree with them using the word; their isn't a monolithic consensus on the word in within black circles.

That's what makes the rules and use of the word so convoluted. Who gets to decide for everyone when it is right or wrong? This reminds me of the Goku thread I made a few days ago; who gets to decide for all superhero fans, what it means to be and defines "superhero"?

And it's not just white people/non-black people saying it. David Banner's got an issue with the word being used at all.

If Eminem spit that verse you posted today, he would catch shit for it and he has caught shit for another racially charged song he made. Other white artists like Justin Beiber and Post Malone ran into controversies as well for using it. Is their a double standard for white rappers using the word? Totally, but there is a lot of historical baggage behind that double standard.

Damn, that must've been about the mixtape he made dissing black women. No, there definitely shouldn't be a double standard for white rappers. It doesn't matter what genre of music you're a part of; doesn't change your race.

The historical and social context between my whote friemd amd my indiam friend calling me nigga are so dramtically different it shouldnt even need explanation why one is significantly worse and more threatening than the other. White people cant say the n word period. Other minorities, really its more of a w/e dont give a fuck than anything. The word holds so little power coming out of their mouths that its more benign than malignant.

I didnt invent the rules around the word but if other black pwople see the word differently nothing made me the authority on the word to tell them different. Why do you want to be that authority? Why do you wanna impose on that?

You're not actually asking me, right? Because I'm not trying to make the rules.

I remember being in 6th grade playing the violin with this other kid, it was concert night and we were already in the audience. I don't remember the context but he just said it for some reason, the n word. And I was like, yo! And he was like "Because, we're not white."

And at that point I was thinking to myself, I guess there is a logic to that, but what is the logic in its entirety?

 

[jmood88]

Precisely. People are quick to point the racist card but yet are doing nothing to help the cause by saying it themselves. It's idiotic.

Stick to calling each other 'brother' or something. You know, a word that has no real racial connotation.

Please explain to me how black people saying nigga has anything to do with white people being racist.

 

[bobbychalkers]

And now they know about hivemind. Thanks.

We'll never be able to have nice things.

Doesn't make much of a difference. Operation Caliphate has progressed too far to be stopped now.

 

[User 73706]

Nah we can just link up and shine the message through the hivemind.

I thought it was called the wire.

That being said, it'd actually be kind of fun if an American afrofuturist novel explored a knowledge base like that.

Doesn't make much of a difference. Operation Caliphate has progressed too far to be stopped now.

"And now the honkeys will pay."

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Precisely. People are quick to point the racist card but yet are doing nothing to help the cause by saying it themselves. It's idiotic.

Stick to calling each other 'brother' or something. You know, a word that has no real racial connotation.

Sure thing, boss..anything else?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I'm not saying we don't know what it means. People nowadays care less about it when it's used every single day and we can hear/see it everywhere.

And don't start with the AH or ER pronunciation difference. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Who is we? White Europeans? Because again, who the fuck cares about their opinion of the N word? Like I said, you think black europeans are not offended by the word?

Hint: They are.

 

[Lupercal]

lmfao you're kidding yourself



LOL my favorite fucking thing is when white people tell minorities how to act and feel about stuff

get out of here with that shit



well, one word ends with an 'a', and the other ends with an 'er'. it's moreso something you hear, not see

I think many black people have said the same thing against its use.
I know I can't relate about it, but even I can see the stupidity in using it with an a and saying it's something completely different.

 

[Daft Punk]

Precisely. People are quick to point the racist card but yet are doing nothing to help the cause by saying it themselves. It's idiotic.

Stick to calling each other 'brother' or something. You know, a word that has no real racial connotation.

This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on GAF. "You guys wanna throw out the race card, but you're only bringing it on yourselves!"

 

[NoblesseOblige]

If black people can have black faces then why can't I.

 

[User 73706]

This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on GAF. "You guys wanna throw out the race card, but you're only bringing it on yourselves!"

Dee Dah "Have you tried not being black?" Dave is at it again!

If black people can have black faces then why can't I.

 

[Sai-kun]

I think many black people have said the same thing against its use.
I know I can't relate about it, but even I can see the stupidity in using it with an a and saying it's something completely different.

ah yes

many black people

 

[Octavianus]

To be fair, I never understood why it's considered offensive either.
But English isn't my first language so maybe that has something to do with it?

Either way, I know that it is somehow offensive and I don't mind not using it, so..

 

[Infinite]

Black people arent allowed to have anything to themselves without it being "reverse racist"

Yeah and white peoples really hate feeling excluded.

 

[Numb]

If black people can have black faces then why can't I.

pfft

 

[Gordon Shumway]

If black people can have black faces then why can't I.

Fuck..that's a solid question. I'm stumped!

 

[Frosta]

Precisely. People are quick to point the racist card but yet are doing nothing to help the cause by saying it themselves. It's idiotic.

Stick to calling each other 'brother' or something. You know, a word that has no real racial connotation.

 

[deli2000]

Fuck..that's a solid question. I'm stumped!

very lax, very un-PC

 

[Enzom21]

Fuck..that's a solid question. I'm stumped!

Blackface and everyone being able to say nigger free of consequence is true equality!

 

[User 73706]

ah yes

many black people

I know a black friend who says I can use the N-word.*

*OPINIONS EXPRESSED BY THE LICENSOR, "SUB-ZERO", DO NOT REFLECT THE VALUES AND GUIDELINES AS COVERED IN SECTION 3 OF GUIDE MANUAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARDS HELD BY MANY BLACK PEOPLE™, LLC.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Unfortunately no. Dah Dee Dave is pretending he lives in post-racial Utopia. AKA he's a European so racism doesn't exist. And apparently neither does context.

Am I?

Although I live in a far less racist place than most of you presumably American posters, I am indeed still aware that racism is an issue. I am also aware that the continued use of racially charged words doesn't help the situation one iota.

This shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

And I will repeat for clarity - I don't use such language, I don't care that black people use such language. My only stance on the subject is that it's hypocritical to do so whilst simultaneously being upset when others do, and only serves to help keep the word in circulation.

Other than that I don't give a shit.

 

[Drencrom]

Christ, Fudgepuppy... what kind of people do you hang around with? I'm becoming worried :/

 

[PBY]

I think many black people have said the same thing against its use.
I know I can't relate about it, but even I can see the stupidity in using it with an a and saying it's something completely different.

"Many black people"

You realize that youre missing the forest for the trees here with this "er"/"a" distinction - the point is that you don't get to tell a group, especially one that has been so historically marginalized, how to act or speak.

 

[Daft Punk]

Dee Dah "Have you tried not being black?" Dave is at it again!

"Have you tried moving back to Africa?"

 

[Kreed]

I was sitting with a couple of friends drinking beer, when one girl asks a guy "So you're pretty dark, are you half-nigger or something".

The setting was very lax and un-pc so no one really took offense. But I said "Yeah you shouldn't really use that word".

Another example of why terms like "PC" are losing any meaning they had. Being "un-pc" doesn't mean being ok with people being outright disrespectful to your face in order to fit in.

OP: "Hey, why did you pour a glass of water on my head?"
OP's Friend: "Don't be so outraged, it's just water. This is an un-pc environment."

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Am I?

Good to see you're pick and choosy with posts you respond to by ignoring all previous times that actually contained legit questions directed specifically to you.

 

[User 73706]

Another example of why terms like "PC" are losing any meaning they had. Being "un-pc" doesn't mean being ok with people being outright disrespectful to your face in order to fit in.

OP: "Hey, why did you pour a glass of water on my head?"
OP's Friend: "Don't be so outraged, it's just water. This is an un-pc environment."

"PC" may as well be sowing the seeds for oncoming dogwhistles at this point in the same way people use "SJW" unironically.

 

[Renegade King]

The only time I can think that a person would want to use the word nigga is when they are singing along with their favorite rap/ hip hop songs.

But I got ya covered. Instead of singing out the n-word you can pretty much substitute the word with neighbor.

Problem solved.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

But I got ya covered. Instead of singing out the n-word you can pretty much substitute the word with neighbor.

Problem solved.

I use Ninja.

Spoiler

I actually don't. I just mute the word.

 

[jmood88]

Am I?

Although I live in a far less racist place than most of you presumably American posters, I am indeed still aware that racism is an issue. I am also aware that the continued use of racially charged words doesn't help the situation one iota.

This shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

And I will repeat for clarity - I don't use such language, I don't care that black people use such language. My only stance on the subject is that it's hypocritical to do so whilst simultaneously being upset when others do, and only serves to help keep the word in circulation.

Other than that I don't give a shit.

Nigger is a symptom, not the problem. You seem to think that eradicating the word will somehow have any impact on racism.

 

[The Artisan]

I know, I was poking fun at people who would defend the confederate flag.

Oh I see. there was a thread about it last year, 8 pages deep

 

[theignoramus]

Y'know, just thinking if this actually happened, if somehow we lived in a world where all black people stopped saying it, it would take away that refuge from people who make that claim.

I mean, what could they say to defend themselves then?

To be clear I'm not advocating that this is something that should happen or is a good excuse. Just picturing that world. "But black people say it all the time!" "Uh, no they don't, they all stopped a couple years ago. Sorry hon, you're racist."

The same things theyre saying now?
#firstamendment
#freespeech
#fuckpoliticalcorrectness
#theresblackpeoplethentheresniggers

 

[Kalamari]

No, and if you were reading this thread or knew anything you would know that.

How else you make a viable argument against its use? The person is clearly making a double standard argument, so the effective counter argument would be that double standards are harmful to society.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

You did edit it in time, because I have no idea what you quoted in the first place lol

Do you remember two summers ago when there was a controversy of a fraternity chanting, "There will never be a [explicit] in SAE!" ?

Like Ice Cube said in Straight Outta Compton, music is a reflection of their reality. They used the word in their music and I'm sure they use it among themselves as well. Eminem is just as much a part of Hip Hop culture, but he uses it neither in his music, nor (presumably) in his regular life either.
You literally just said sometimes I can say it. And you didn't answer why it is sometimes. You glossed over that completely. I would like an answer though, if you have one. I understand that and if you ask me, I don't think caucasian people should say it either unless their friends really don't give a shit. So I'll agree with you there.

Do you care to know? I'll try to explain further if you do.No you didn't. You said sometimes I can say it, and I asked why it is only sometimes and you didn't tell me why.

So does Eminem. That's what makes the rules and use of the word so convoluted. Who gets to decide for everyone when it is right or wrong? This reminds me of the Goku thread I made a few days ago; who gets to decide for all superhero fans, what it means to be and defines "superhero"?

And it's not just white people/non-black people saying it. David Banner's got an issue with the word being used at all.


Damn, that must've been about the mixtape he made dissing black women. No, there definitely shouldn't be a double standard for white rappers. It doesn't matter what genre of music you're a part of; doesn't change your race.
You're not actually asking me, right? Because I'm not trying to make the rules.

I remember being in 6th grade playing the violin with this other kid, it was concert night and we were already in the audience. I don't remember the context but he just said it for some reason, the n word. And I was like, yo! And he was like "Because, we're not white."

And at that point I was thinking to myself, I guess there is a logic to that, but what is the logic in its entirety?

If you read both of my posts in which I responded to you I answered all of your questions but you keep bringing these points back up. Let me explain for the third time.

WHITE PEOPLE:

You don't get to say it ever, unless you have a group of black friends that give you a pass to use it around them. That pass does not extend to the public at large and if you get into shit while out with said friends it's on them to bail you out for allowing you usage of the word. Why did they allow you to use it in the first place? Well, how the fuck should I know I'm not your black friend? But, I would suspect it has to do with the fact that they consider you pretty close to family and thus consider it okay for you to use the word around them. They are comfortable that you aren't secretly a racist and will use the word appropriately. Or maybe they caved in because you're an ass who really wants to say the word and they finally relent knowing at some point it will bite you in the ass. Again, the fuck should I know.

NON-BLACK MINORITIES:

Sometimes depending on the circumstances and your race/skin color. Other minorities are sometime given a pass to use the world similar to white folks within a group of close black friends and sometimes even given an open pass to use it, which is rarer. The open pass usually only applies to minorities with a similar shared experience and history to black folks so basically Hispanics and Arab/Muslims, brown skinned people if you will. They tend to deal with the same racist sit we do and so sometimes we allow them to say it. However, that's not to say there is open consensus as to whether everyone agrees they should be allowed to say it.

And, finally this shared "culture" has fuck all to do with Hip-Hop, rap music, or growing up poor. Eminem had a lot of life experiences that many black people face in America but doesn't give him a pass to use the n-word. No matter what the dude is white and as a result he does not have a history of slavery, oppression and racism nor has he ever had to encounter such racism in his daily life. He is not black.

Does that clear things up for you?

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Good to see you're pick and choosy with posts you respond to by ignoring all previous times that actually contained legit questions directed specifically to you.

What questions?

I made a pretty straight forward comment and have no other thoughts on the matter. It's others who have seemingly blown it out of proportion.

I don't think anyone should be using the word. Period

 

[Hale-XF11]

lol wow, reminds me of this:

Bill Burr - How you know the n-word is coming

 

[Lupercal]

"Many black people"

You realize that youre missing the forest for the trees here with this "er"/"a" distinction - the point is that you don't get to tell a group, especially one that has been so historically marginalized, how to act or speak.

I'm not forbidding anything but isn't it fairly obvious when one group uses it, others will Aswell?

Also these, hurrrr white racist replies prove me that a logical answer is a bit to much to grasp for some.

So I'm stepping out.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Blackface and everyone being able to say nigger free of consequence is true equality!

MLK/Ruth redeemed!

Christ, Fudgepuppy... what kind of people do you hang around with? I'm becoming worried :/

"Niggers caused 9/11."

 

[Suite Pee]

I believe they say it because their lips is like oowop when they start to spray it

 

[Cagey]

The only time I can think that a person would want to use the word nigga is when they are singing along with their favorite rap/ hip hop songs.

But I got ya covered. Instead of singing out the n-word you can pretty much substitute the word with neighbor.

Problem solved.

Neighbors wanna try, neighbors wanna lie
Then neighbors wonder why neighbors wanna die
All I know is pain, all I feel is rain
How can I maintain with mad shit on my brain
I resort to violence, my neighbors move in silence
Like you don't know what our style is, New York neighbors the wildest
My neighbors is with it, you want it come and get it
Took it then we split it, you fucking right we did it
What the fuck you gonna do when we run up on you
Fucking with the wrong crew
Don't know what we're going through
I'ma have to show neighbors how easily we blow neighbors
When you find out there's some more neighbors that's running with your neighbors
Nothing we can't handle, break it up and dismantle
Light it up like a candle
Just cause I can't stand you
Put my shit on tapes like you busting grapes
Think you holdin' weight
Then you haven't met the apes

Ehh...

 

[kodecraft]

It really does have to start with us though. Chamillionaire best said it and he doesn't use it in his raps anymore because he would perform songs at events and the crowd would be a bunch of white college kids reciting every line in a song. The N word would be one of them.

I always look at the rappers that go to SXSW and just perform ignorant trap songs to a crowd of UT college kids mostly white. I'm like all this for a damn check? Are y'all not conscious enough to think about what you doing?

So damn OP, I mean they exist. Some just want to be 'friends' to have that friend of color. Keep your circle small and only with people that keep it real.

 

[Permanently A]

Did she say nigga or nigger?

I don't know what the climate is like in Bulgaria but in NYC people of every color refer to each other as their niggas, but nigger is taboo as fuck.

 

[The Kree]

The only time I can think that a person would want to use the word nigga is when they are singing along with their favorite rap/ hip hop songs.

But I got ya covered. Instead of singing out the n-word you can pretty much substitute the word with neighbor.

Problem solved.

Neighbor: The other word you never wanna call a black person.

SMH

 

[jmood88]

I believe they say it because their lips is like oowop when they start to spray it

I was at a Q-Tip show a few years ago and there were a bunch of white people in attendance. As soon as he got to that song, the place went silent. It was hilarious.

 

[PBY]

I'm not forbidding anything but isn't it fairly obvious when one group uses it, others will Aswell?

Also these, hurrrr white racist replies prove me that a logical answer is a bit to much to grasp for some.

So I'm stepping out.

Its not fairly obvious, because all it requires is people to be you know, respectful?

 

[Demanufacture]

I was at a Q-Tip show a few years ago and there were a bunch of white people in attendance. As soon as he got to that song, the place went silent. It was hilarious.

Haha those whites eh?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I believe they say it because their lips is like oowop when they start to spray it

LMAO

 

[PBY]

Did she say nigga or nigger?

I don't know what the climate is like in Bulgaria but in NYC people of every color refer to each other as their niggas, but nigger is taboo as fuck.

As someone who lives in NYC I can assure you 10000000% that you should not drop casual "niggas."

There is no "one size fits all" rule to this stuff, outside of just being respectful and sensitive to others.

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

When your whitewhile singing along with a rap song you just put on a thick British accent and replace "N**ga" with "Fine Gentleman". Makes it so much more enjoyable.

 

[Cipherr]

Y'know, just thinking if this actually happened, if somehow we lived in a world where all black people stopped saying it, it would take away that refuge from people who make that claim.

I mean, what could they say to defend themselves then?

To be clear I'm not advocating that this is something that should happen or is a good excuse. Just picturing that world. "But black people say it all the time!" "Uh, no they don't, they all stopped a couple years ago. Sorry hon, you're racist."

Nah, you know they would find a way. Lets not forget that people used that term before it was co-opted anyway so.... we know that if black people stopped using it nothing would change.

 

[Permanently A]

As someone who lives in NYC I can assure you 10000000% that you should not drop casual "niggas."

There is no "one size fits all" rule to this stuff, outside of just being respectful and sensitive to others.

I mean I wasn't saying you should walk up to strangers in the street and call them your nigga, obviously. But among friends like the OP said he was its not uncommon to hear "what's good my nigga" or some variation on that phrase.