theignoramus
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Sure thing, boss..anything else?
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Sure thing, boss..anything else?
I always look at the rappers that go to SXSW and just perform ignorant trap songs to a crowd of UT college kids mostly white. I'm like all this for a damn check? Are y'all not conscious enough to think about what you doing?
It depends on the context and intention I suppose. Here in the Netherlands it's pretty social acceptable to say "neger" when talking about a black guy. There are tons of other more derogatory words if you want to insult black people.
Can't understand people who think anyone who thinks such things has bad intentions. The rest of the world doesn't have the same racial tensions as in the US, especially in today's world in which countless teenagers and young adults were raised on the Internet where no one knows you're a dog (or black).
I know some European people who really need to understand the gravity of the racial situation in America though. Why "nigga" (oops) is used by the black community at all, why the era of serious racial oppression has consequences still felt today (when was Jim Crow abolished? like 60 years ago?) and why racism is still a serious and sensitive issue in the US.
And I'm sure at a point in his life, Emimen said the word around his black friends pretty often too.So does Eminem.
And David Banner doesn't speak for all black people in this manner. I could make a list of black people who oppose every meaning of the word. Their aren't any hard rules with the N-Word just nuances and consequences. If I were a white rapper and I was writing a song. I could write a line that had nigga with no intentions to disparage anyone or I could just not write that line. The consequences for the former is that some people may not care about it and others could take offense to it and could refuse to work with me or write an article judging my character. There aren't any consequences for the latter. For white rappers, their best bet is just to not say it all.That's what makes the rules and use of the word so convoluted. Who gets to decide for everyone when it is right or wrong? And it's not just white people/non-black people saying it. David Banner's got an issue with the word being used at all.
Neighbors wanna try, neighbors wanna lie
Then neighbors wonder why neighbors wanna die
All I know is pain, all I feel is rain
How can I maintain with mad shit on my brain
I resort to violence, my neighbors move in silence
Like you don't know what our style is, New York neighbors the wildest
My neighbors is with it, you want it come and get it
Took it then we split it, you fucking right we did it
What the fuck you gonna do when we run up on you
Fucking with the wrong crew
Don't know what we're going through
I'ma have to show neighbors how easily we blow neighbors
When you find out there's some more neighbors that's running with your neighbors
Nothing we can't handle, break it up and dismantle
Light it up like a candle
Just cause I can't stand you
Put my shit on tapes like you busting grapes
Think you holdin' weight
Then you haven't met the apes
Ehh...
I went back to read your first post and you said sometimes you recognize other minorities being relatable and thus allowed to say it, but not always. I asked why it's not always recognized and you flipped out.If you read both of my posts in which I responded to you I answered all of your questions but you keep bringing these points back up. Let me explain for the third time.
I already told you I agree with you there. You didn't have to explain that again.
WHITE PEOPLE:
You don't get to say it ever, unless you have a group of black friends that give you a pass to use it around them. That pass does not extend to the public at large and if you get into shit while out with said friends it's on them to bail you out for allowing you usage of the word. Why did they allow you to use it in the first place? Well, how the fuck should I know I'm not your black friend? But, I would suspect it has to do with the fact that they consider you pretty close to family and thus consider it okay for you to use the word around them. They are comfortable that you aren't secretly a racist and will use the word appropriately. Or maybe they caved in because you're an ass who really wants to say the word and they finally relent knowing at some point it will bite you in the ass. Again, the fuck should I know.
That's what I'm asking. You say sometimes it is allowed, which means sometimes it is not. Why is that fair? Either commit to letting us be allowed to say it or restrict it the same way itNON-BLACK MINORITIES:
Sometimes depending on the circumstances and your race/skin color. Other minorities are sometime given a pass to use the world similar to white folks within a group of close black friends and sometimes even given an open pass to use it, which is rarer. The open pass usually only applies to minorities with a similar shared experience and history to black folks so basically Hispanics and Arab/Muslims, brown skinned people if you will. They tend to deal with the same racist sit we do and so sometimes we allow them to say it. However, that's not to say there is open consensus as to whether everyone agrees they should be allowed to say it.
I don't know why you're telling me this. I never tried saying anyone with a poor upbringing and rough childhood has a right to say the word.And, finally this shared "culture" has fuck all to do with Hip-Hop, rap music, or growing up poor. Eminem had a lot of life experiences that many black people face in America but doesn't give him a pass to use the n-word. No matter what the dude is white and as a result he does not have a history of slavery, oppression and racism nor has he ever had to encounter such racism in his daily life. He is not black.
Not really. Can you explain why it's only sometimes for colored people who aren't black?Does that clear things up for you?
You do realize the bolded is bullshit right?
Find a way? They were calling us nigger before the "a" came around..they'd call us nigger without it. It's a stupid argument, and everyone that brings up this "You stop first" bullshit knows it..straight honkey-tonk bullshit.Nah, you know they would find a way. Lets not forget that people used that term before it was co-opted anyway so.... we know that if black people stopped using it nothing would change.
It really does have to start with us though. Chamillionaire best said it and he doesn't use it in his raps anymore because he would perform songs at events and the crowd would be a bunch of white college kids reciting every line in a song. The N word would be one of them.
I always look at the rappers that go to SXSW and just perform ignorant trap songs to a crowd of UT college kids mostly white. I'm like all this for a damn check? Are y'all not conscious enough to think about what you doing?
So damn OP, I mean they exist. Some just want to be 'friends' to have that friend of color. Keep your circle small and only with people that keep it real.
I love 'ignorant trap songs' and have never felt compelled to use a racial slur. Those who do it are just looking for any excuse to use it and they're not actually acting out of respect.
I have a white friend from Memphis, one of the founding locations of ignorant-ass rap, who loves said ignorant-ass raps and has no problem editing out nigga when he's rapping along with a song. There really is no excuse.I love 'ignorant trap songs' and have never felt compelled to use a racial slur. Those who do it are just looking for any excuse to use it and they're not actually acting out of respect.
Sure it will..The word will disappear if people attempt not to use it. It will be quicker if both black people and white people do that, but either way It's gonna take a damn long time.
I look at it like this, I don't allow people who aren't black to say nigga around me. Just don't, white people just get annoyed they can say just about every word created except nigga. That seems to be all there is to it.
I have a white friend from Memphis, one of the founding locations of ignorant-ass rap, who loves said ignorant-ass raps and has no problem editing out nigga when he's rapping along with a song. There really is no excuse.
Sure it will..
LmaoSure thing, boss..anything else?
Neighbor: The other word you never wanna call a black person.
SMH
It absolutely will. Saying it won't is a nearsighted statement considering time is big. And there's a lot more of it in front of us than behind us.
Instead of saying "Sure it will" can you counter argue? It's a discussion forum.
That's what I'm asking. You say sometimes it is allowed, which means sometimes it is not. Why is that fair? Either commit to letting us be allowed to say it or restrict it the same way itisshould be for white people. I can't speak for everyone but this middle ground definitely makes it complicated for me.
I don't know why you're telling me this. I never tried saying anyone with a poor upbringing and rough childhood has a right to say the word.
Not really. Can you explain why it's only sometimes for colored people who aren't black?
Did they at least have their friend print out the official Cracka-Nigga Decal, so you'd know they is down? Otherwise, it's on them..This annoys me so much. It's even worse when they just start doing this and are like "But (insert black person) allowed me to say it!"
Black people damn sure don't call each other apes and monkeys. And that shit ain't disappeared
Black people don't make nooses, but we get stories of them being hung around black people every year
If they did, it would be more common. I guess you skipped the part where it says "Either way it's going to take a long time"
"You get to say nigga around strangers without people thinking you might be racist and we'll get to benefit from police not automatically assuming we're threats, won't get shut out from renting or buying homes, won't have our local governments stop providing the services that we pay taxes for, and can add whatever else onto this list whenever we feel like it. Deal?"The word will disappear if people attempt not to use it. It will be quicker if both black people and white people do that, but either way It's gonna take a damn long time. I mean Old english did turn into what we use now.
Right now, I think what people mean is it's giving them the impression that black people using it makes them a hypocrite. Because it technically does."It's a terrible word, don't use it, but we still will."
I think that pierces peoples' pride, because it is a clear cut privilege of being black. Whereas the privileges of being white are less clear cut and out in the open written in bold as "You can't, but we can". If you can accept that there are privileges for being white, you should accept that not being able to say the N word is completely fine. There's a lot of inequality. Not being able to say a word is the least of it.
400 years isn't long enough?
Word. Even black folks can't use the word with impunity. Old heads and other black folks admonish eachother over the words use all the time.Nigga, who is this "we" you are speaking of? Did we collectively as black people come down and slap you in your face for using the n-word? For non-black minorities it's up to you to feel out the situation and use the word within your discretion. It's that fucking simple. Honestly, if you are having problems understanding this then maybe you shouldn't be using the word in the first place. Like, why do you even want to use it so badly anyway?
Again, non-black minorities ain't black so they by definition ain't been through the same shit we have and continue to go through. So that is why you do not get an unqualified right to use the word. What you get is a revocable pass which can be revoked and given back to you by any black person around you. It's not rocket science.
"You get to say nigga around strangers without people thinking you might be racist and we'll get to benefit from police not automatically assuming we're threats, won't get shut out from renting or buying homes, won't have our local governments stop providing the services that we pay taxes for, and can add whatever else onto this list whenever we feel like it. Deal?"
"You get to say nigga around strangers without people thinking you might be racist and we'll get to benefit from police not automatically assuming we're threats, won't get shut out from renting or buying homes, won't have our local governments stop providing the services that we pay taxes for, and can add whatever else onto this list whenever we feel like it. Deal?"
"You get to say nigga around strangers without people thinking you might be racist and we'll get to benefit from police not automatically assuming we're threats, won't get shut out from renting or buying homes, won't have our local governments stop providing the services that we pay taxes for, and can add whatever else onto this list whenever we feel like it. Deal?"
We gotta keep trying, man. Otherwise, we're making them call us nigger. Black privilege with that word is an inequality..400 years isn't long enough?
It really does have to start with us though. Chamillionaire best said it and he doesn't use it in his raps anymore because he would perform songs at events and the crowd would be a bunch of white college kids reciting every line in a song. The N word would be one of them.
I always look at the rappers that go to SXSW and just perform ignorant trap songs to a crowd of UT college kids mostly white. I'm like all this for a damn check? Are y'all not conscious enough to think about what you doing?
So damn OP, I mean they exist. Some just want to be 'friends' to have that friend of color. Keep your circle small and only with people that keep it real.
hahaSadly, I wasn't on GAF at the time otherwise I would've come straight here.
Black privilege with that word is an inequality..
We gotta keep trying, man.
I was sitting with a couple of friends drinking beer, when one girl asks a guy "So you're pretty dark, are you half-nigger or something".
The setting was very lax and un-pc so no one really took offense. But I said "Yeah you shouldn't really use that word".
We got into a really hot debate about it and I just got completely off it, I didn't know how to respond to so many arguments because I didn't know where to start.
Then she said "But if black people can say it, why shouldn't I be able to do it? My intentions aren't bad".
Like, what are you supposed to retort with that's a valid argument? I got so surprised I didn't know what to say.
Edit. I personally have a lot of opinions about why you shouldn't say it, but it was more expressing them in a objective way that was hard.
Edit 2. I live in Bulgaria.
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You can say what you want..it's your world, homie. Am I allowed to disagree with certain things? Let me know..Don't put words in my mouth guys. You're building a narrative that I'm not even close to endorsing.
I'm saying technically that's what it is. Why is that hard to admit? It's not a bad thing.
Society takes a long time to change, what can I say?
You can say what you want..it's your world, homie. Am I allowed to disagree with certain things? Let me know..
You don't know what you're talking about.Yall have jokes. Make arguments if you don't agree. All yall have been doing is repeating what I'm saying with snarky remarks in there that change what I'm saying with "..." after it like I'm stupid and you're obviously the most correct ever recorded.