All human lives are worth trying to save. It's a shame you and many others don't realize that.
All human lives are worth trying to save. It's a shame you and many others don't realize that.
I have to agree with the victim's daughter. If we had single payer health care that provided this kind of surgery to everyone who wanted it, it wouldn't matter, but when we have law-abiding citizens suffering from this same thing and are too poor to finance their own surgery, murderers shouldn't either.
She is already paying her dues and will for the rest of her life. You are deciding it's not enough and that she needs to do so in absolute misery, moreso than loss of freedom already does, putting her life at peril in the process.I didn't decide that. She did when she decided to murder someone.
Depression caused by unhappiness with their body, that is the medical ailment we are talking about here, correct?
Noble, but understandably people aren't keen on helping murderers (or worse)
Really? Dylan Roof? Orlando night clubshooter (if he was alive)? I sure as hell don't want to invest in them.
Thank you for the correction.No. We are talking about clinical depression and worse caused by the sex of their body, with their entire existence saying "This isn't right."
Gender dysphoria is not "I'm unhappy with my body," it's "my MIND is unhappy with my body and it's throwing a massive tantrum." This is the easiest way I can explain it.
Symptoms of this include clinical depression that often leads to suicide (suicidal ideation), crippling anxiety to the point of fear of everyone around them, hatred, not just unhappiness, with their body, to the point of cutting and suicidal ideation...
The medical ailment we are talking about is gender dysphoria. There is one tried and true way to treat gender dysphoria.
So they are treating it.
You don't protect someone from bigotry by denying them medical care.
I have to agree with the victim's daughter. If we had single payer health care that provided this kind of surgery to everyone who wanted it, it wouldn't matter, but when we have law-abiding citizens suffering from this same thing and are too poor to finance their own surgery, murderers shouldn't either.
I didn't say that. I said it's a risky thing to do given the circumstances. But then again she's a murderer so she's likely more than capable of defending herself.
All human lives are worth trying to save. It's a shame you and many others don't realize that.
Then they are bad people. Rehabilitation works. If you don't want to do it then you are rejecting facts in favor of feelings.
Seems crazy that a poor law abiding citizen can't get this but a convicted murderer gets it for free.
This real life, not Batman. Some people are not worth saving. That's a fact.
Noble, but understandably people aren't keen on helping murderers (or worse)
So what do you propose death penalty via full denial of care?
Those people are shortsighted and narrow minded. In other words, people we shouldn't be listening to. Doing what we can to rehabilitate criminals (yes, even murderers) isn't about only helping the criminal. It's about helping victims and communities as well. The entire concept of restorative justice is to cultivate empathy to strengthen everyone's commitment to being a productive member of society. Our culture needs to progress beyond the simpleminded need for revenge. It's not good for the individual, or for communities.
This real life, not Batman. Some people are not worth saving. That's a fact.
Well not now, obviously. It should have been given to her at sentencing.
This real life, not Batman. Some people are not worth saving. That's a fact.
Its because people view this type of therapy as a luxury that law abiding citizens cannot even afford to do. Its not about revenge its about what people want to pay for.
Its partially why single health care is such a hard proposition. Even paying for other law abiding citizens health problems is seen as bad by many
So can we stop paying billions to the military I don't agree with that? No one gets a choice where their tax dollars go so I am sick of people using that excuse. If we didn't have to pay for things we did not agree with no one would pay taxes and nothing would get done.Its because people view this type of therapy as a luxury that law abiding citizens cannot even afford to do. Its not about revenge its about what people want to pay for.
Its partially why single health care is such a hard proposition. Even paying for other law abiding citizens health problems is seen as bad by many
I'm thinking about making a long ass post dissecting all aspects of this issue but I have a question I can't easily find the answer to on my own, how does a state that allows for placement in a facility corresponding to your gender identity prevent abuse? In other words, how does the state prevent a prisoner from lying about their gender identity to end up in a different facility, ie a male believing life would be easier in a female facility? Is a prisoner required to take medication for such a switch, such as estrogen for a "male" choosing a female facility? Is there some test they must pass to acknowledge that their identity is sincere?
Educate me.
No. Capital punishment should be on its way out.
judging from what little we know about her it was an act done in a drunken and/or drugged stupor. Advocating for the death penalty for such an act is ludicrous, it's hardly performed by someone iredeemable over the course of their life.Well not now, obviously. It should have been given to her at sentencing.
Nothing beyond the fact that if we have money to pay for prisoners we should also be able to pay for law-abiding citizens. But that's just something I have to accept about living in the USA.Government pays for medical care of prisoners, that's the way it works. What makes GRS, the recognized treatment in this case, suddenly exempt?
It's blatant cruelty that people who did nothing wrong will continue to suffer and potentially kill themselves because the USA has a hard-on for denying medical care to what are apparently second-class citizens, unless they enter the prison system.I understand the family's sadness, but even so, our country has a responsibility to aid our citizens, criminals or no. It's not like our taxes weren't already being used to aid them but as someone pointed out, only pennies are being taken out of what we pay, so unless you're really that upset about the negligible cost you're paying to make sure these people don't sink into depression or kill themselves, you should be able to empathize with the family but still realize that this is necessary for the physical and mental well-being of fellow citizens because the alternative is just blatant cruelty.
I'm thinking about making a long ass post dissecting all aspects of this issue but I have a question I can't easily find the answer to on my own, how does a state that allows for placement in a facility corresponding to your gender identity prevent abuse? In other words, how does the state prevent a prisoner from lying about their gender identity to end up in a different facility, ie a male believing life would be easier in a female facility? Is a prisoner required to take medication for such a switch, such as estrogen for a "male" choosing a female facility? Is there some test they must pass to acknowledge that their identity is sincere?
Educate me.
Where are you getting these facts from, Mr. Real?
This real life, not Batman. Some people are not worth saving. That's a fact.
I'm thinking about making a long ass post dissecting all aspects of this issue but I have a question I can't easily find the answer to on my own, how does a state that allows for placement in a facility corresponding to your gender identity prevent abuse? In other words, how does the state prevent a prisoner from lying about their gender identity to end up in a different facility, ie a male believing life would be easier in a female facility? Is a prisoner required to take medication for such a switch, such as estrogen for a "male" choosing a female facility? Is there some test they must pass to acknowledge that their identity is sincere?
Educate me.
Back in the 90s when I was a correction officer you went by what was on the birth certificate. As far as I know it's still the same.
And as someone who's actually known Trans people in prison I think it's a good thing if they can get reassigned and sent to the appropriate prison.
Prison is difficult enough and I've seen what some of the Trans people have had to go through in a male prison. If you're going through with the surgery and you have the doctors backing you up I would think this is a clear indication that they take this seriously and they would be better off in the appropriate prison.
Psychological evaluation would theoretically be an option, but I am ignorant of how it is actually handled. Besides, no one would attempt such a thing. It would only create more problems for them, not solve any.
Gender dysphoria is a clinical diagnosis. To even get approved for surgery you have to have not one but two mental health professionals sign off. Plus you must usually present as your identified gender for at least a year.
Ms. Real. And I don't tend to care about the mental well-being as someone who will never leave prison. That may sound cold, but Shiloh was cold when committed murder.
But, how does that go about? That's what I'm asking.
How?
I'm not talking about surgery, yet, I'm talking about switching to a facility that corresponds to your gender identification assuming a state allows that.
But, how does that go about? That's what I'm asking.
How?
I'm not talking about surgery, yet, I'm talking about switching to a facility that corresponds to your gender identification assuming a state allows that.
Ms. Real. And I don't tend to care about the mental well-being as someone who will never leave prison. That may sound cold, but Shiloh was cold when committed murder.
How would that benefit someone? They'd still be in prison. They'd also probably get harassed or worse for being trans. Plus they'd now have the body of the opposite gender. Why would anyone want that?
If you can think of a benefit that I didn't, please let me know.
She's being transferred after she gets out of the hospital. The surgery is done.
Seems in this cass the transfer was potentially contingent on the surgery
Your "fact" results in more crime, more reoffending rates, and shittier lives for everyone. That's not fact, thats just you being dumb. Proper prisonal systems based on rehabilitation have been proven beneficial for society time and time again.This real life, not Batman. Some people are not worth saving. That's a fact.
So you're saying that prisoners can only be placed into facilities that correspond differently to what's on say their birth certificate unless they get GSR?
So you're saying that prisoners can only be placed into facilities that correspond differently to what's on say their birth certificate unless they get GSR?
So you're saying that prisoners can only be placed into facilities that correspond differently to what's on say their birth certificate unless they get GSR?
That's how most US prisons operate, yes.
Cmon your in post-truth 2017. Can't let pesky unreliable cold hard facts get in the way of the immutable truth of feelings...Your "fact" results in more crime, more reoffending rates, and shittier lives for everyone. That's not fact, thats just you being dumb. Proper prisonal systems based on rehabilitation have been proven beneficial for society time and time again.
I just google searched this ,surgery can be as low as 7k for male to female surgery?
I assumed it was hundreds of thousands.
Who knows? But I figure this actually puts her at higher risk.
I just google searched this ,surgery can be as low as 7k for male to female surgery?
I assumed it was hundreds of thousands.