Considering how Vahn usually fixes shit, he's going to improve SMG hipfire accuracy, make LMGs heavier and give them less damage, make all shotguns 4-hit kills and double the speed of sniper scope-in.
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Call of Duty: Black Ops II |OT| Black to the Future
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LowParry
Member
So all is well with assault weapons. Excellent.
Yep I was starting to accept that quitting once in a while to try a different lobby was just how it was. But BO2 is broken. More bail outs than finishing is not fun. I'm out.
Like all patches, they break more things than fix. I don't trust Treyarch.
Last weekend, on X360, I played a few hours of BO2 then MW3 then MW2 back to back. BO2 had plenty of WTF lag moments. I didn't notice much of a difference in lag or hit dectection between MW2 or MW3. And, that have been my past experience with both of them, probably 40 days or more played for each. As for BO1, I remember my friends and I felt we wasted money on that game due to the shitty lag / hit dectection and we went right back to playing MW2. So, when my friends asked me if they should be BO2, I told them fuck NO with same issues as BO1.
So when is that coming then?
Guess ill share a few of my emblems i created.
All these seem to show up alot darker then ingame.
When I get the game I WILL make this emblem. Wow.
Arcane Hayter
Member
When I logged on last night (Xbox 360) I magically had an open NAT. It's been strict since day one. I tried while playing MW3 to open it without any luck and now it's open. I had some very good matches with the FAL also. It seems that the aim assist is cranked up on that gun.
You had lucky matches in MW3 then, or something. All games since BO1 have had the same netcode, MW2 was the last one with Quake 3 engine netcode in it (which is why it was so good). MW3 is just as bad as BO2 overall. I'm actually playing it as I type and the last match made me want to Hulk Smash my entire apartment, I couldn't kill a single fucking member of the enemy team because they were all a full second ahead of me.
Smgs are bullshit. Needs a fix asap
You had lucky matches in MW3 then, or something. All games since BO1 have had the same netcode, MW2 was the last one with Quake 3 engine netcode in it (which is why it was so good). MW3 is just as bad as BO2 overall. I'm actually playing it as I type and the last match made me want to Hulk Smash my entire apartment, I couldn't kill a single fucking member of the enemy team because they were all a full second ahead of me.
I have about 40 days total playtime in MW3 so I wouldn't remotely call it getting lucky matches. And, it's not just me. I mostly play the game with a few friends.
He is wrong though.
To put it into perspective: 53 is where FAL switches from 2-3 hk which is pretty close range. 123 is where SMR switches from 2-3hk which is med-long range. At 53 units EVO, Vector, Chicom are 5hk. Other SMGs are 4HK. Swat is 3hk, Fal + SMR are 2hk; Scar and AN-94 is 3HK @ 53 units. The others are tied w/ SMGs at 4hk.
At 123 units all the SMGs are 6hk. At that range, MTAR, M27, Scar, AN-94 are all 4hk. SMR, Fal, Swat are 3hk and the rest are still better than SMGs at 5hk.
At max range some SMGs are faster TTK than ARs but we're talking 180+ units and at that range most SMGs need to burst fire and you can't really hit those theoretical TTKs. The only one I can full auto at range w/ is MP7 which is 0.35s and slower than everything but the AN-94 at max range.
That's cool, but I don't know what your playtime has to do with the fact that every game after MW2 has the same netcode. That's not just some opinion of mine.
Like that BO2 montage of horrible lag deaths that was posted just a page ago or so, I can record the exact same thing in MW3 in just 2 hours of play. But I can pop in MW2 and on any host on any continent, I can win firefights as long as my strategy is sound and I'm better prepared than the other guy. None of this "dude just appears on your screen at lightspeed, instakills you before you can ADS with Quickdraw" bullshit that happens in MW3 and BO2.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I don't recall MW3 having lag issues either, not like Black ops 1 or two. There was some, sometimes, but not on the levels of those two games.
Voltron64
Member
When it launched it was pretty bad. After a few patches it was a lot better. Too bad Treyarch couldn't learn a thing or two from IW and MW3. Seems like they don't care.
Are you sure MW3 has the same netcode as BO1/2? That's not been my experience. As to my total play time numbers, it shows that I didn't get a few "lucky" lag free matches in MW3.
And, this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0N0T9K2lU#
Look at 4:56 in this video. That dude just spawned right there!
Look at 4:56 in this video. That dude just spawned right there!
Uno Venova
Banned
Mw3 had the worst lag I've ever experienced in a COD. Traded it back in too quick to know what the patches did..
Sure on paper, but when I see kill cams of full auto Smgs killing me from across a map it's BS. I love the ARs but right now the Smgs are just way to powerful to not use all the time. Maybe it's part lag compensation too so who knowsHe is wrong though.
To put it into perspective: 53 is where FAL switches from 2-3 hk which is pretty close range. 123 is where SMR switches from 2-3hk which is med-long range. At 53 units EVO, Vector, Chicom are 5hk. Other SMGs are 4HK. Swat is 3hk, Fal + SMR are 2hk; Scar and AN-94 is 3HK @ 53 units. The others are tied w/ SMGs at 4hk.
At 123 units all the SMGs are 6hk. At that range, MTAR, M27, Scar, AN-94 are all 4hk. SMR, Fal, Swat are 3hk and the rest are still better than SMGs at 5hk.
At max range some SMGs are faster TTK than ARs but we're talking 180+ units and at that range most SMGs need to burst fire and you can't really hit those theoretical TTKs. The only one I can full auto at range w/ is MP7 which is 0.35s and slower than everything but the AN-94 at max range.
LowParry
Member
There hasn't been any major patches yet.
Absolutely positive. I don't know, can't even guess, what part of the netcode make it so that certain people have problems with certain games and vice versa, but it's unmistakably true that BO1 introduced new netcode that all games afterwards used. Google/Youtube "MW3 lag comp" and you'll get as many hits as with "BO1/2 lag comp."
I get the short end of the stick in all of the games, but at least in BO1 I can do well by not rushing and being more deliberate. In the latter two games, that doesn't even work and people will fly around corners in every single match. It's not just extra bad matches, there's always at least 1 The Flash clone in the matches I play. Like I said, that BO2 lag montage is my exact experience with MW3 as well, in every single match and it's still the same after all the hotfixes.
It's slightly better now, but still not good. If you were like me and had a horrible experience in almost every match pre-patch, you won't be having a great time post-patch either.
All TTK are less than 0.5s. If someone sees you first and has good aim, good burst control, etc. they can kill you from across the map. If you see each other at the same time at
"9999" range AR will win the majority of the time.
If someone is killing you full auto w/ SMG from 180+ range that's on you. I highly doubt they're landing 6 consecutive shots which would give you a chance to evade.
rocksteady1983
Member
On that list it has the FAL's max damage at 55, yet if I'm not mistaken on the actual game doesn't it say the SMR has the highest damage in class, yet on that list it only has it at 50.
EDIT: Here is what the class description says: "Semi-automatic assault rifle. Highest damage per round in class."
Does "per round" have a certain significance making it weaker than the FAL?
DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind, the more I read up, I see that the SMR has a longer two-hit kill range than the FAL.
EDIT: Here is what the class description says: "Semi-automatic assault rifle. Highest damage per round in class."
Does "per round" have a certain significance making it weaker than the FAL?
DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind, the more I read up, I see that the SMR has a longer two-hit kill range than the FAL.
Ingame stats are useless, they're usually pretty inaccurate.
Voltron64
Member
We paid $65 for a broken game. nice!
Stellactic
Member
The last shotgun needs a serious buff. Any SMG and AR can easily hip fire and out shoot you. I say take off the rechamber or lengthen it's distance.
An easy fix for all the SMG hate would be to take away the laser sight from SMGs.
An easy fix for all the SMG hate would be to take away the laser sight from SMGs.
Uno Venova
Banned
The matchmaking is so bad today. I can't wait until the update, I'm having fun but it really does feel unfinished.
My Thundercats Emblem:
Nice! Mine is pretty crude compared to yours.
Might as well show off my others:
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Who knocks?
This guy.
I'm having way to much fun on this thing.
Seems like a lot of people like the Breaking Bad emblems.
Good for you, I doubt anyone cares. Now you can leave the thread.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Good. As with all of your other posts complaining constantly about everything in this thread, no one gives a fuck. Now do us all a favor and leave the thread while you're at it.
I can't play this game with anything but the KAP-40 FMJ and extended clip now. I have way too much fun. I wreck in FFA with KAP-40, FMJ, extended clip, lightweight, ghost, extreme conditioning and dexterity.
Any team based mode, I just put FMJ on the KAP-40 and engineer instead of dexterity and 2 blackhats.
Any team based mode, I just put FMJ on the KAP-40 and engineer instead of dexterity and 2 blackhats.
Game is broken for him and you're shitting on him? Sick.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
When he posts every single time complaining about shit, yes. It gets old quickly.
I was going to say they were being harsh but..
he does post a lot and 90% of that shit is complaining about how the game is broken for him. After a while it gets annoying lol
shungokusatsu
Member
Yep, pretty much. While MW3 wasn't spectacular, they at least listened to feedback and addressed the spawn and lag compensation issues after release. I've come to terms that MW2 pretty much plateaued the series and it's all been downhill since.
Anxiously awaiting whatever respawn studio comes up with, even if it's next gen and means a longer wait.
It was going to be his last post anyway probably. You realize he's probably as much of a fan of CoD as you are?
wsoxfan1214
Banned
See eek's post. it gets old.
And the posts constantly claiming there are no lag issues don't get old for those that do have the issues? OT's aren't exclusive love fests, dude, get used to it.
I guess, The ones the people posted on youtube didn't seem that interesting to me.
So does being on the bad side of LC, its infuriating. He was out anyway, just saying ya know?
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Please show me where I said there were no lag issues.
Never said it wasn't. (Likely) 150+ posts bitching about it is excessive and irritating, however.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
No one said they have to be, nor does your statement negate his.
I've not seen anyone say there is "no lag" what I've seen is people saying there IS lag, but over all it's not THAT serious(happening all game, every game).
I think people complaining about shit in a thread like this need to put platform in the title so shit's more clear.
There have been countless posts of people saying they're not having noticeable problems. Just last page we discussed how one poster had no issues in MW3 while I had issues in every match.
Just saying that an OT allows for all opinions on the subject, not just the ones you want to agree with. Also, ignore feature if it's really that painful to read.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't have many noticeable problems either, but that's different than a poster saying there are no lag problems in the game.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
There's a difference between what you're saying is going on, and what's actually going on. I'm not shocked at this though since I've had you on ignore for a long time. I doubt anyone here wants a circle jerk.
Constructive criticism is one thing, constant annoying complaining is another, especially when he has that many posts.
Also, if you're having "issues every match" you might want to look into your setup, because that's definitely not the norm.
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