chokotoureiki
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Doesn't seem like it, as I've had 3 or more PC gamers getting triggered bc I would still choose a PS5 Pro over a PC.
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Doesn't seem like it, as I've had 3 or more PC gamers getting triggered bc I would still choose a PS5 Pro over a PC.
Cakeboxer
Gold Member
And it doesn't have to be, it just has to do the job.
Agreed, Windows 10 key (OEMs) is 4 Euro, upgrade to Win 11 is free.
Agreed.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I disagree, if you are comparing the cost of replicating a ps5 pro it should include the primary controller
Otherwise it’s not a valid comparison
mrMUR_96
Member
IF we're doing this properly for pricing, the Pro has a 2TB NVME ssd. That alone is quite expensive. Windows OS isn't free (if we're doing this legitimately) and the Dualsense controller is like $60.
That GPU is about the same spec as the base PS5 lol and will be vram limited.
That GPU is about the same spec as the base PS5 lol and will be vram limited.
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Cakeboxer
Gold Member
I don't agree here. That's one of the big advantages of a pc, you are not dependant on overpriced accessoires.
Topher
Gold Member
Nah, you speak for yourself and no one else. Same for me. More quantity does not mean that there is less quality. Just more options. Discounts on games are not because shovelware exists. The discounts are due to amount of competition for your gaming dollar.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
That’s the problem with these comparisons
It’s assuming that a console person could just easily change to PC and the cost isn’t much more if you make all these concessions that may make perfect sense for someone that is already indoctrinated into the pc ecosystem, but doesn’t make sense for someone used to playing on a console
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Cakeboxer
Gold Member
There will be no general comparison that makes everyone happy. Some will say you have to add 80 Euro for a DS, some say a 5 Euro Aliexpress controller is enough, some say 10 Euro M+K is enough. I think a compromise could be half of the 80 Euro, because for that money i can buy something decent like a Series controller.
Bojji
Member
Mouse and keyboard is a required controller on PC, gamepads are optional.
Windows can be used for free: https://www.howtogeek.com/871189/you-can-install-and-use-windows-11-without-a-product-key/
Storage is not equal but i don't think anyone asked for this 2TF. Most people would probably prefer 1TB + disc drive SKU for Pro.
If you want apples to apples show me what I need to buy for my PS5 to be able to use mods in games, surf the internet (PS3 and PS4 had it, hahaha) and use stores to buy games other than PSS. Not to mention hundreds of other applications available on PC and not on PS5.
It will never be apples to apples thanks to that alone.
Topher
Gold Member
Activation is not required and you are able to use Windows indefinitely You just won't be able to do certain things such as change your wallpaper.
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chokotoureiki
Member
You'd be surprised there's a whole big world outside of NeoGAF that holds mainstream views like mine. Get out of your tiny bubble.
Just bc Galloping Ghost arcade has thousands of games doesn't make it more enticing, especially if all I want to play is Street Fighter 6. An all you can eat buffet isn't going to be appealing if all I want to eat is Chipotle.
Bitstream
Member
I'll give you the windows activation, but by removing the dualsense ($75), and additional TB (~$50) of storage you're clearly moving the goalposts. On top of that, the PS5 Pro comes with astrobot, $60. Strip those away ($185) and the PS5 Pro now comes in at $515.
You might be able to get a 4070 for 500, but you're not getting a motherboard, ram, PSU, and case for 15 dollars.
You might be able to get a 4070 for 500, but you're not getting a motherboard, ram, PSU, and case for 15 dollars.
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Topher
Gold Member
You'd be surprised there's a whole big world outside of NeoGAF that holds mainstream views like mine. Get out of your tiny bubble.
I'll agree to disagree on what the "mainstream view" is here or who is in the bubble. If all you want to play is Street Fighter 6 then you will not have any problem finding it on Steam or PlayStation. That's the case for the vast majority of games. The existence of shovelware doesn't change that.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
PS5 games are (mostly) optimized for a static hardware unlike this PC, so, no.
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FrankWza
Member
Playroom update isn't it? not astrobot
Bojji
Member
Isn't astro bot preinstalled on every PS5? So it's 60$? You can't even sell it if you don't like it.
DualSense is not a required gaming controller on PC, it doesn't even work in most games properly. What is required is M&K for a few bucks.
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Bitstream
Member
ah its playroom.
No extra $60 value then
You can keep retyping dualsense isn't needed as many times as you want, fact is even if you don't like it or don't want to use it, the controller has features - wireless, haptics, adaptive triggers, headphone jack. These features give it a value that isn't just replaced with a keyboard and mouse.
Additionally, buying one system, plugging in the power and starting it up VS assembling together a mishmash of products has a value associated with it. Being able to send the system to sony if any of the parts have an issue VS having to troubleshoot each piece and send it to the appropriate vendor has a value associated with it.
You don't have to like or appreciate it, but your feelings don't diminish that value.
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LMAO
So you spend $780 instead of $700 and get access to world of cheap gaming with used games and the ability to resell (and a 4K UHD blu ray player to boot). Steam is not competing with that. And on PC nothing is competing with Steam.
This is what freedom looks like. This is actual ownership of your media as well.
Bitstream
Member
Better be careful, some pc gamer is probably racing here to call you a slave.
Those are bizarre arguments given the need for PS Plus to play online and higher costs of games on consoles. Also, all console accessories like the stand, disc drive are overpriced. And I'm saying this as someone who is probably going to buy the Pro.
Spitfire098
Member
Show me your physical PC game collection if your bringing up the cost of the disc drive when comparing the two.
Bojji
Member
Physical games are the best thing about consoles, but sadly they are getting killed by console manufactures and game publishers. They don't like that you can own their product.
On PC you can buy DRM free games and store them on your storage (or BD rom or whatever), they are yours forever. But of course not all games offer that option and this is fucked up (but pirates have a solution).
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VolticArchangel
Member
Alright, let's do this.
Parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LzC8Wt
PS5 Pro + BR Drive + Stand = $810
I haven't even included the PS+ (suffice to say more than half of PSN users sub to PS+ going by last year's last report of it being at 44 million+ subs) annual $80, till the PS6 launches, which will be an extra $240 (if it's in 2027, $320 if it launched in 2028).
Parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LzC8Wt
PS5 Pro + BR Drive + Stand = $810
I haven't even included the PS+ (suffice to say more than half of PSN users sub to PS+ going by last year's last report of it being at 44 million+ subs) annual $80, till the PS6 launches, which will be an extra $240 (if it's in 2027, $320 if it launched in 2028).
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Topher
Gold Member
Topher
Gold Member
I gotta Starcraft CD around here somewhere....
VolticArchangel
Member
what are we doing?
Hit the post button by accident. Lol. Edited.
Topher
Gold Member
I figured. I'm too much of a smartass to just let it go
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Fess
Member
Yeah I love it! I would build another PC today if I just had reason to do it. But sadly I already have a regular desk PC and one for the living room, also have a couple Steam Decks, and a PC just for music production. Don’t know what else I need.
Hoping Nvidia hit it out the park with their next graphics cards so I feel like I need to upgrade.Bruh, completely missing the point. You are not restricted to a single digital store operated by the platform holder when buying digital games on PC.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Actual you can use windows for free with a few concessions like you can't use themes. But you can play games with no issues.
It was mainly so devs could spin up test instances without needing to register each one.
Crayon
Member
Bojji
Member
What would you choose:
1TB + DD for 700$ or 2TB without DD for 700$?
I would go with the first option.
Crayon
Member
More like what would you choose 1TB or 2TB!!! Neither have a disc drive!!
Bojji
Member
Using smaller SSD would allow them to put disc drive in the box for the same price.
I'm old enough to remember times when there were multiple storage options for consoles:
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Second option, I don’t use physical media
I was pleasantly surprised I wasn’t forced to buy a disc drive
Bojji
Member
But you are forced to pay for that storage upfront. PS5 always had option to upgrade with M2 drive (that are getting cheaper and cheaper).
Just few days ago I bought 1TB drive for it for 208zł (~54$), before that I used my old 512GB SATA SSD (via USB) to store PS4 games (for years).
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yes and I want the extra storage
Crayon
Member
Using smaller SSD would allow them to put disc drive in the box for the same price.
I'm old enough to remember times when there were multiple storage options for consoles:
But if you are trying to build a pc as close as possible to match, cutting the storage in half is a cheat. It's like saying you can match it with a cheaper gpu because nobody asked for the one in the pro.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
That's where you are wrong. I game on both PC and PS5.
I just have a blatant disdain and one that I have made very clear, for PC gamers that is always pushing a pro PC narrative and talking to or about console gamers like they are idiots.
To me, keep the PC talk outta consoles and the console talk outta PC.
And if you really have been shuffling through my posts... you would know this.
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Bojji
Member
4070 is stronger than PS5 Pro and offers DLSS Ray Reconstruction, you can't match that on Pro, same goes for milions other things PC can do and closed system of PS5 can't.
But fine, swap that SSD used previously for this:
And now PC is 18% more expensive (instead of 11%).
chokotoureiki
Member
Just saying you need to get out more
I'm not debating there's shovelware in every library. I agree with you actually, just that there's more games are more appealing to me on Playstation than on PC. Steam's massive selection of games isn't a selling point. PC gaming just isn't my thing. Sorry if that bothers you, but just telling it like it is.
Topher
Gold Member
Just saying you need to get out more
I said a few posts ago that I'm not going to argue your personal preferences and I haven't so not sure why you are leaning on them. I'm also not the one making silly comments like "you need to get out more" so seems pretty obvious who is bothered here and it isn't me.
chokotoureiki
Member
Using a sarcastic gif tells me otherwise, or like when you said "come on man" which sounds like you're getting frustrated with my viewpoints.I said a few posts ago that I'm not going to argue your personal preferences and I haven't so not sure why you are leaning on them. I'm also not the one making silly comments like "you need to get out more" so seems pretty obvious who is bothered here and it isn't me.
Like you said, let's just agree to disagree and if you're clearly not bothered then you would drop the sarcastic gifs.
Topher
Gold Member
Ironman_Bad
Member
Anyone looking for a pc comparable to ps5 probably wants to play ummm ps5 games
good luck playing tekken 8, gran turismo, nba 2k25, Astrobot and God of War with your 5$ keyboard it wouldn't even be enjoyable with a 100$ keyboard a dual sense or equivalent controller is necessary for anyone looking to get a "superior" ps5 experience on a comparable pc
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Bojji
Member
Anyone looking for a pc comparable to ps5 probably wants to play ummm ps5 games
You can get any controller, but everything is optional. You can play 99.9% of games using M&K.
Some cheap ass X360 pad is still great for PC gaming, works in every new game. Try using something other than DS on PS5, even DS4 is "banned" in new games.
Ironman_Bad
Member
Maybe if 99% of your games are fps and rts lol I mean you could play half life 2 on a n64 controller doesent make it at all enjoyable...anyone looking for a comparable or superior ps5 experience on pc is gonna need a dual sense or comparable controller
kevboard
Member
here's a superior controller for $30:
hall effect sticks, vastly superior D-Pad, better ergonomics, better battery life, extra remapping L4/R4 bumpers
alternatively, if the extra bumpers and hall sticks aren't important to you but gyro and Switch support is:
also $30.
if you want Hall sticks, back paddles, multiple profile slots and Xbox support (including impulse triggers):
$36
all of them have a better dpad and the top and bottom ones better sticks than either official Xbox controllers or the Dualsense
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chokotoureiki
Member
Xbox controller is hands down the most ideal choice for PC, PS5 second, and Switch Pro being the worst.