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The only Nintendo franchises I like these days are Zelda and Metroid, both of which has been pretty poor the past few years, so yes. However they were great back in the day. (Super Nintendo and N64 era)

I play what I want to play, not what people rave over.

A 'proper gamer' should play what they enjoy, if said gamer does not enjoy Nintendos offerings that's all there is too it.

 

[famousmortimer]

Before this gen I was never able to skip nintendo's classic franchises. But a couple things happened that allowed me to make a mental break (up?) from them. First, I was underwhelmed with the Gamecube in general. Super Mario Sunshine was very uneven. I loved parts of it but as a whole it was a letdown.

I also made the realization that I just don't like 3d zelda or 3d metroid the way I liked 2d zelda and metroid.


And then the Wii happened... I've owned one since launch and seriously I don't think Ive played it for more than 20 hours. I know it deserves more than that. Paper Mario was really cool. Super Mario Galaxy is great. But there is just this barrier in my brain to playing that machine. It might be the low-def visuals, or the odd controller, or the lack of bells and whistles i've grown to love on the ps3/360 (friends lists, achievements, etc). I guess part of it is that I feel like Im on an island when I play my Wii, where my 360/ps3 feels connected to a community whether im playing multiplayer or not.


I've never owned a system that I played less than the Wii. I kinda feel bad, because I know there are some classic games in there... but I think me and Nintendo may have broken up a few years back.

 

[MYE]

I love how you think there is a Nintendo game for everyones taste btw. I find it amusing how you cannot possibly fathom how there are people amongst the 5 billion+ humans on this earth that fit the criteria of not liking a game since gamex or even never, ever liking any Nintendo game.

What can i say, its hard to believe.
Unless that someone is the pickiest gamer ever or someone who only cares about one franchise/IP that has never been on a Nintendo system.

Or a fanboy

 

[Mael]

you are either severely misinformed or completely delusional.

no developer is MORE creative. you take the most superficial elements of games and fail to realize that within series that you ignorantly dismiss creativity is flourishing.

What's funny is that it's actually kinda true and kinda false.
Their most creative stuffs are usually uninteresting and the stale stuffs (content-wise) is usually their most fun stuffs to play.
Heck with Mario we have the perfect example of this.
On Zelda it's the case too, their celshading stuffs are certainly creative but a real bore to play though.

 

[Momo]

I don't mean to generalise here, but to merely state "they don't appeal to me" seems ignorant - even bias.

This is GAF. We arent a pile of random people you gather on the street for a survey or something. Give people on GAF the benefit of the doubt, we are all here cause we are gaming enthusiasts, these statements aren't made randomly.

The line of thinking you and the other dude are taking is dismissive of people who have different opinions to yours. Cloaked by a magical blanket attack of "ignorance".

It's silly to accuse GAFfers, enthusiast gamers of all things, of being ignorant to what their own personal preferences are and assuming they have come to conclusions lacking knowledge.

 

[_Alkaline_]

What can i say, its hard to believe.
Unless that someone is the pickiest gamer ever or someone who only cares about one franchise/IP that has never been on a Nintendo system.

Or a fanboy

I don't think the issue here is people not liking Nintendo games. There is absolutely no problem with that. I don't like Madden games but you're not going to see me call people out for liking them, and I'm sure no one would call me out for disliking them.

It's when they refuse to play them because "they don't appeal to me" - even ignoring them entirely - from some pre-conceived (and, let's face it, probably incorrect notion).

That goes for any software btw. It'd be the same for MS and for Sony. But this is a Nintendo thread.

For what it's worth, I'm hardly riled up about this issue. Doesn't bother me at all. But I think it's worth discussing to some degree. Or at least pointing out, because placed on a wider spectrum, it's a tad concerning that people who enjoy their hoppy can be ignorant towards quality releases from any development house. That's a trend none of us would want.

 

[jjasper]

I used to feel that I couldn't ignore them but outside of the Mario games and DKCR I haven't really enjoyed any of Nintendo's games for the Wii. Didn't help that they didn't release some of my favorite series and Metroid games not being as good as the others. If Wii U is like the Wii I think I could manage without them.

 

[Momo]

What can i say, its hard to believe.
Unless that someone is the pickiest gamer ever or someone who only cares about one franchise/IP that has never been on a Nintendo system.

Or a fanboy

I can't help you then, go about your closed minded stubbornness.

 

[beelzebozo]

What's funny is that it's actually kinda true and kinda false.
Their most creative stuffs are usually uninteresting and the stale stuffs (content-wise) is usually their most fun stuffs to play.
Heck with Mario we have the perfect example of this.
On Zelda it's the case too, their celshading stuffs are certainly creative but a real bore to play though.

your conflation of mario with staleness is where your logic goes south. the very idea that the mario galaxy games are stale representations of the platforming genre or of video games in general is bordering on parody. no game is further from stale.

 

[Riposte]

I am trying to understand the state of mind one must have to even want to ask this question and in this way. Maybe it is leftover console war logic that I no longer understand.

 

[TheSeks]

What can i say, its hard to believe.
Unless that someone is the pickiest gamer ever or someone who only cares about one franchise/IP that has never been on a Nintendo system.

Or a fanboy

Or someone with no mental investment in companies, and doesn't like Nintendo's output for looks/gameplay/variety of reasons?

 

[Mael]

I don't think the issue here is people not liking Nintendo games. There is absolutely no problem with that. I don't like Madden games but you're not going to see me call people out for liking them, and I'm sure no one would call me out for disliking them.

It's when they refuse to play them because "they don't appeal to me" - even ignoring them entirely even - from some pre-conceived (and, let's face it, probably incorrect notion).

That goes for any software btw. It'd be the same for MS and for Sony. But this is a Nintendo thread.

Actually someone who absolutely hates the cinematic direction games have taken since the end of the 90's would have good reason to avoid Sony or MS's platform (then again he'd probably avoid Nintendo's own platform save for WiiSports and NSMBW or MarioKart).
It's a case of pattern recognition at some point.
Then again said person would look rather silly if he tried to pass off as a fan of video games in general.

 

[_Alkaline_]

This is GAF. We arent a pile of random people you gather on the street for a survey or something. Give people on GAF the benefit of the doubt, we are all here cause we are gaming enthusiasts, these statements aren't made randomly.

The line of thinking you and the other dude are taking is dismissive of people who have different opinions to yours. Cloaked by a magical blanket attack of "ignorance".

It's silly to accuse GAFfers, enthusiast gamers of all things, of being ignorant to what their own personal preferences are and assuming they have come to conclusions lacking knowledge.

You completely misread my stance.

I'm not accusing of GAFers of being wrong for stating an opinion that differs to mine. That's absurd.

The issue is people stating their opinions without justification - or even attempting to. Such posts litter this thread. The well though-out ones that bring up legitimate arguments are by far more interesting and enlightening to read.

It's stuff like "they don't appeal to me" or "I've never played them and I'm not about to start" that strikes me as welcoming some level of concern. Why don't they appeal? Why haven't you played them? These sorts of things should be addressed in these posts but often they're not. They're throwaway almost.

 

[Mael]

your conflation of mario with staleness is where your logic goes south. the very idea that the mario galaxy games are stale representations of the platforming genre or of video games in general is bordering on parody. no game is further from stale.

ahah no you missed my point.
Mario when it's creative is REALLY creative but it's far less fun than when they go with stale content.
Basically NSMB series is way more fun to play than 3D Mario but is stale as far as content goes.
But that's not a rule, it's just Nintendo who hates making 2D Mario for some reasons.

 

[Shadow of the BEAST]

You mean to you, or in general cuz if its not just to you...lol

Yes to me.. But reading this thread im surprised to see im not alone.

 

[Orayn]

[First page quote]
No such thing as a "proper gamer. Just play what you like and ignore what you don't.
HOWEVER, I hold the opinion that people are missing out if they don't at least give Nintendo a chance. The "kiddy" accusations really bug me, as I can think of nothing less important about a game than its supposed target demographic. (This goes for "dudebro" games as well.)

 

[-PXG-]

The fuck is a "proper" gamer?

:/

 

[Dragon]

The fuck is a "proper" gamer?

:/

A "true" Yankee like Derek Sanderson Jeter.

 

[tiff]

The List (version 2)

1 Megaman
1 Blizzard Game
1 Real Time strategy game (Starcraft, Warcraft, Halo Wars)

It's been real, GAF, but I can't argue with the list.

You should add doujin games, shmups, and dating sims too.

If you don't have a physical copy of a 18+ dating sim/eroge sitting on your gaming shelf then you're not even worthy of posting on NeoGAF.

I can totally see people skipping the titles you mentioned and they wouldn't miss anything of significance tbh.

Dude the best franchise in gaming is on there man.

 

[MYE]

Or someone with no mental investment in companies, and doesn't like Nintendo's output for looks/gameplay/variety of reasons?

That would be fine if Nintendo had not released hundreds of games for decades, many of which have absolutely nothing in common with each other.

Example:

Eternal Darkness and Pikmin

Super Mario Galaxy and Xenoblade

Zelda A Link to the Past and Nintendogs

What do these games have in common?
A logo.

Saying "Retro Studios and EAD Tokyo games suck" however, is a valid opinion. Even if i disagree.

 

[Tawney Bomb]

I used to enjoy Nintendo immensely, on the SNES and N64, I loved Zelda and Mario to a lesser extent, but since the Gamecube, I've been nothing but disappointed. Zelda is boring and Mario feels slow and I'm sure there is someone out there loving them. So I'm sure you can ignore Nintendo, I do now, but I remember them fondly.

 

[Strife91]

I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't enjoy ANY Nintendo game. They do games in almost every genre and deliver them with consistent quality. Nintendo games may not be about realistic graphics, immersion or cinematics, but they almost always deliver in gameplay and that's what should matter most for a gamer, because that is what sets our medium apart from other mediums.

 

[MYE]

The fuck is a "proper" gamer?

:/

A PROPE fan?

Yuji Naka is crying with joy somewhere right now.

 

[Momo]

The issue is people stating their opinions without justification - or even attempting to. Such posts litter this thread. The well though-out ones that bring up legitimate arguments are by far more interesting and enlightening to read.

There is no reason to say people are ignorant for making short to the point replies. I agree that posts of this nature doesnt do much for those wanting to discuss things in deeper detail, however lets not make the jump from lazy to ignorant.

]It's stuff like "they don't appeal to me" or "I've never played them and I'm not about to start" that strikes me as welcoming some level of concern. Why don't they appeal? Why haven't you played them? These sorts of things should be addressed in these posts but often they're not. They're throwaway almost.

It's lazy posting, not ignorance. The way the thread is setup "Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?" a short post works. Why not just move on and rather discuss the topic with people who are making more of an effort to explain themselves than call people ignorant for making a simple reply to a simple question?

 

[_Alkaline_]

There is no reason to say people are ignorant for making short to the point replies. I agree that posts of this nature doesnt do much for those wanting to discuss things in deeper detail, however lets not make the jump from lazy to ignorant.


It's lazy posting, not ignorance. The way the thread is setup "Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?" a short post works. Why not just move on and rather discuss the topic with people who are making more of an effort to explain themselves than call people ignorant for making a simple reply to a simple question?

But without an explanation, it's comes across as ignorant.

And even some of the explanation given does still warrant the label of ignorance, at least to an extent.

For instance, what if I said this in another thread:

"Sony's first-party output lacks variety and has been terrible over the past five years."

A ridiculous, ignorant statement to make. Still an opinion, but the whole "no such thing as a wrong opinion" argument is merely a cop-out. Opinions aren't wrong by nature, but they can still be ignorant/ill-informed.

A similar example, and one that can be seen in this very thread, would be "Nintendo haven't put out anything creative in the past 10 years."

Sure, it's an explanation for not liking Nintendo games, but surely it can't be said with a straight face?

 

[TheRagnCajun]

To answer the topic: Yes. I'm doing it right now.

I don't play CoD and most of the profiling in this thread about 'non-Nintendo gamers' don't apply to me. Zelda was the only frachise that I really ever liked but that loyalty was broken with Wind Waker.

I have played most 'required reading' for the genres I enjoy. The market is far too saturated with games to play games for the sake of proving somthing to myself. I only need PC and PS3 right now anyways, and I hardly play PS3 as it is because I create a giant backlog for myself everytime there's a steam sale. Half my games on steam aren't even installed.

I think the OP needs to consider the fact that there's probably 'required reading' games that he hasn't played. Unless your job is videogames, or you're a 34 year old living in your mom's basement, there's not enough time to play them all.

 

[zoukka]

A proper gamer can ignore all the console publishers really.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

A 'Proper Gamer' is a gamer who plays and enjoys video games for the sake of enjoyment.

Even if you're a 72-year old woman who does nothing but play Alien Brigade all day long on a 7800, you're a proper gamer.

 

[Mael]

A 'Proper Gamer' is a gamer who plays and enjoys video games for the sake of enjoyment.

Even if you're a 72-year old woman who does nothing but play Alien Brigade all day long on a 7800, you're a proper gamer.

Gaf wasn't so lenient a few years back...

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

I sure as hell am gonna try....

 

[Momo]

But without an explanation, it's comes across as ignorant.

And even some of the explanation given does still warrant the label of ignorance, at least to an extent.

For instance, what if I said this in another thread:

"Sony's first-party output lacks variety and has been terrible over the past five years."

A ridiculous, ignorant statement to make. Still an opinion, but the whole "no such thing as a wrong opinion" argument is merely a cop-out. Opinions aren't wrong by nature, but they can still be ignorant/ill-informed.

This is put forth as a statement of fact though. People have been saying "I don't like Nintendo's output" not the same at all. The equivalent would be if you said "Sony's first party output does not interest me in any way shape or form". Which is fair since it's your opinion, the bolded above is not an opinion but a statement of fact. (at least the variety part can be objectively rejected, the quality is totally subjective)

A similar example, and one that can be seen in this very thread, would be "Nintendo haven't put out anything creative in the past 10 years."

Sure, it's an explanation for not liking Nintendo games, but surely it can't be said with a straight face?

Creativity is difficult, is it a subjective or an objective trait? I'm sure an argument can be made both ways. Also again, most posters have been saying (well myself and the other 2 or 3 guys I've seen since i entered this thread) that we don't like their output, not that it's not creative. I don't like haute couture, but i recognize it's creative *shrug*

 

[Venfayth]

I love Zelda and Metroid, but honestly I find it difficult to get into Mario. I don't find myself going out of my way to play it ever. Not that they aren't good games, but I guess they just don't really have a big appeal to me.

 

[Azure J]

Well truth is you can, but really would you want to? While it all boils down to your preferences and no one could hold that against you, be aware of the fact that you are still missing out on gaming experiences the likes of which are unique and potent enough to be relevant for upwards of 2 decades.

 

[Mael]

This is put forth as a statement of fact though. People have been saying "I don't like Nintendo's output" not the same at all. The equivalent would be if you said "Sony's first party output does not interest me in any way shape or form". Which is fair since it's your opinion, the bolded above is not an opinion but a statement of fact. (at least the variety part can be objectively rejected, the quality is totally subjective)

What exactly changed between the ps3 and the ps1, because seriously I don't see how you could like their output now and dislike what they did then and vice versa.
I mean it's not exactly what's so different between their output, especially if you consider the rest of the market with it.

Heck if you don't pay much attention you could actually wonder if they're all the same games or whatever. Seriously if you told me that there was a crossover game with Uncharted and Infamous I'd wonder in which of the 2 games did the other make a cameo in.

 

[Melfice7]

A "proper gamer" plays what he/she likes, not ALL games.. Nintendo games have done nothing for me for a while so i can easily ignore them

 

[Momo]

What exactly changed between the ps3 and the ps1, because seriously I don't see how you could like their output now and dislike what they did then and vice versa.
I mean it's not exactly what's so different between their output, especially if you consider the rest of the market with it.

Heck if you don't pay much attention you could actually wonder if they're all the same games or whatever. Seriously if you told me that there was a crossover game with Uncharted and Infamous I'd wonder in which of the 2 games did the other make a cameo in.

Not what I'm saying, it's an example I like Sony's output for the most part. If you are referring to Nintendo, the Wii games I've played is Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and The Last Story. Nintendo nowhere to be found. As I said I'm primarily a jrpg player.

 

[creid]

I think one can. I know the Nintendo faithful won't agree with me, but if you've played Mario 64, you've played Mario Galaxy. If you've played Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess, you can probably live without playing Skyward Sword. If you've played Mario Kart DS, you can really live without the 16 new tracks of Mario Kart Wii.

 

[_Alkaline_]

if you've played Mario 64, you've played Mario Galaxy.

I don't even know how to reply to this. How on earth was such a perspective acquired?

That's like saying "if you've played Gears of War, you've played Resident Evil 4."

 

[beelzebozo]

I don't even know how to reply to this. How on earth was such a perspective acquired?

systematic consumption of paint chips.

 

[MYE]

lol

 

[Assuredly_not_a_bot]

You can be an expert at a single game like Hexic or DDR or something and be considered a gamer. However if that one game is too mainstream like COD or Madden then get outta here with that crap, non-gamer... unless you were playing it before it got all mainstream.

 

[Mael]

Not what I'm saying, it's an example I like sony's output for the most part.

To be sure we're not on shaky ground, let's drop the terrible part as that's either subjective or a statement on how they perform at retail (which is not exactly spectacular anyway).
So on the diverse part, I don't think it's unarguable to say that their output is not exactly varied either.
The fact that most of them play nearly the same way doesn't help at all, it makes it easy to go from Uncharted multi to Killzone but seriously they play pretty similarly.
So I think that this example is not exactly a good one to show in this case.

If you are referring to Nintendo, the Wii games I've played is Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and The Last Story. Nintendo nowhere to be found. As I said I'm primarily a jrpg player.

because I didn't catch your edit.
Then you should play Xenoblade, that's entirely Nintendo and it should be right your alley.
And wait you played Dragon Quest Swords? I can see one hating the Wii after that.

 

[1-D_FTW]

I think one can. I know the Nintendo faithful won't agree with me, but if you've played Mario 64, you've played Mario Galaxy. If you've played Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess, you can probably live without playing Skyward Sword. If you've played Mario Kart DS, you can really live without the 16 new tracks of Mario Kart Wii.

At least focus on series like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, SSB, etc.

Saying that about Mario is like saying all FPS games are the same. Mario is the one series where the Nintendo greatness and innovation still exists.

 

[_Alkaline_]

To be sure we're not on shaky ground, let's drop the terrible part as that's either subjective or a statement on how they perform at retail (which is not exactly spectacular anyway).
So on the diverse part, I don't think it's unarguable to say that their output is not exactly varied either.
The fact that most of them play nearly the same way doesn't help at all, it makes it easy to go from Uncharted multi to Killzone but seriously they play pretty similarly.
So I think that this example is not exactly a good one to show in this case.

Did you take my example as actually being my opinion?

Hardly the case. It was just a throwaway example. In my opinion, Sony's first-party output this generation (or at least 2007 onwards) has been rather excellent.

 

[Mael]

Did you take my example as actually being my opinion?

Hardly the case. It was just a throwaway example. In my opinion, Sony's first-party output this generation (or at least 2007 onwards) has been rather excellent.

As I said I don't care about the value judgement on any game.
Because the only thing we'll be able to discuss is sales numbers and impact on the sales of the platform it's appeared on.
And that discussion is clearly not the one we're having, because otherwise the answer to this thread is :
last gen pretty much everyone did, and this gen....not so much.

I think one can. I know the Nintendo faithful won't agree with me, but if you've played Mario 64, you've played Mario Galaxy. If you've played Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess, you can probably live without playing Skyward Sword. If you've played Mario Kart DS, you can really live without the 16 new tracks of Mario Kart Wii.

Oh dear lord, by this very logic once you've played pacman or space invaders you can stop gaming altogether.

 

[cartman414]

I have been ignoring Nintendo games since about 4 months after the Wii launched.

I am tired to death of their franchises, I don't care for handhelds and whenever I try a Wii game at my sister's house I am always underwhelmed.

I would consider myself quite the proper gamer. 360, PS3, Move, Kinect, sweet gaming PC and iPad. I play all of them happily.

Nintendo can go and take a leap. And I say that with all due respect, as I loved my NES and SNES. But...yeah..I play what I want to play and I can't remember the last Nintendo game I wanted to play.

Lol.

 

[Renmei]

I've been happily ignoring Nintendo my entire life. When growing up my parents got it into their heads that video games were evil, so all I had were pc gaming. They thought I was on it learning programming when I was in fact playing Quake, Unreal and Starcraft. Mario has never been a part of my childhood so I really don't get why he is so popular when I try playing it nowadays. My first Mario game was SSB and Paper Mario and.. I was less than impressed. It must be those nostalgia glasses for people, while they weren't bad games they aren't the omfg life changing experiences I was led to believe.

 

[Fess]

Yes. After playing Nintendo games for more than 20 years I'm TIRED of playing the same Mario and Zelda games over and over again.


I enjoyed VERY VERY VERY MUCH ALL of Nintendo franshises, BUT actually, I find any other game I can play on PC more interesting and refreshing.

There are more differences between Mario games and Zelda games than games in other franchises. Compare Assassin Creed games, COD games, GTA games, Halo games, Final Fantasy games, Diablo games, Uncharted, inFamous, etc etc etc. They're all "the same", going by your logic. More so, much more so, than Mario and Zelda games. Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Zelda Majoras Mask are the only games that could be quilty of feeling a bit too much as their predecessors. But they're still awesome.

 

[_Alkaline_]

Lol.

Bring back your old avatar so I can recognise you and disagree about Zelda II with you.

Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Zelda Majoras Mask are the only games that could be quilty of feeling a bit too much as their predecessors. But they're still awesome

Ok

 

[Mael]

There are more differences between Mario games and Zelda games than games in other franchises. Compare Assassin Creed games, COD games, GTA games, Halo games, Final Fantasy games, Diablo games, Uncharted, inFamous, etc etc etc. They're all "the same", going by logic. More so, much more so, than Mario and Zelda games. Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Zelda Majoras Mask are the only games that could be quilty of feeling a bit too much as their predecessors. But they're still awesome.

Hrrrmmm.