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[Joeku]

Should the CPC win this thing, for the first few weeks after the election I'm going to have the following song cued to play on my phone, and silently do so while staring blankly into the eyes of anyone who admits to voting for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRP6egIEABk

Spoiler

I do not have the presence to actually pull this move off successfully.

 

[RevoDS]

Let's say that Quebec does end up dumping the NDP and the Block win 10 seats and the CPC win 10-12 as well, getting a majority, all over the niqab issue. So what happens when the issue is firmly decided by the Supreme Court against Harper and they rule a person can wear them wherever they want, including ceremonies, court, workplace, etc? Will Quebec regret putting a Conservative government back in power?

If the CPC wins 10-12 seats out of 78 in Quebec, then it clearly isn't us who will be "putting a Conservative government back in power".

 

[Vamphuntr]

Let's say that Quebec does end up dumping the NDP and the Block win 10 seats and the CPC win 10-12 as well, getting a majority, all over the niqab issue. So what happens when the issue is firmly decided by the Supreme Court against Harper and they rule a person can wear them wherever they want, including ceremonies, court, workplace, etc? Will Quebec regret putting a Conservative government back in power?

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal...an-could-be-thin-edge-of-the-wedge-hbert.html

 

[CitizenVectron]

What's up with this narrative that this niqab circus is the only thing Quebec cares about, or that it only has any effect on polls in Quebec? I must be living in an alternate reality, because the numbers show me that Quebec is far from being the only place drinking the conservative kool aid (with some provinces drinking a lot more of it than we do).

Generally speaking the CPC doesn't do that well in Quebec due to their views on social issues, environment, etc. The niqab ban is one of the few emotional issues that resonates in Quebec that aligns with the CPC message.

 

[UberTag]

Should the CPC win this thing, for the first few weeks after the election I'm going to have the following song cued to play on my phone, and silently do so while staring blankly into the eyes of anyone who admits to voting for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRP6egIEABk

Spoiler

I do not have the presence to actually pull this move off successfully.

Thanks for making me laugh. Man, what a song.

 

[killer rin]

Should the CPC win this thing, for the first few weeks after the election I'm going to have the following song cued to play on my phone, and silently do so while staring blankly into the eyes of anyone who admits to voting for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRP6egIEABk

Spoiler

I do not have the presence to actually pull this move off successfully.

LMAO. Perfect song for such a depressing defeat

 

[Mr.Mike]

Ireland will give citizenship to you if you have one Irish grandparent

So if I was to have kids here in Canada, their kids could be kicked out because I was born in Ireland

it's fucked

Poland gives citizenship if one of your parent's is Polish. Note that Poland doesn't give people the ability to become Polish citizens through their parents, but rather you simply are a citizen at birth. Then it's simply a matter of getting the Polish version of a social insurance number and applying for a passport. So all of my descendants will be Polish.

Hell, anyone with any amount of Polish ancestry really.

 

[matthewwhatever]

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal...an-could-be-thin-edge-of-the-wedge-hbert.html

This would also be the nuclear option. More likely, it would just be more fodder for them to send out fundraising emails about unelected judges (ignoring that they've appointed most of the Supreme Court). They're really not interested in doing anything remotely resembling governing, just winning and getting money from a specific segment of voters who have no interest in moving their votes anywhere else.

 

[Piecake]

I am kinda curious, has there been any push to implement a ranked voting system in Canada? Or is there ranked voting at a few localities?

I am curious because some cities in the states have adopted ranked voting, and it seems like it would solve your Harper problem without needed to do any major reform. It was implemented in Minneapolis last election and I thought it was fantastic. I would love to see it implemented much more widely.

 

[Walpurgis]

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal...an-could-be-thin-edge-of-the-wedge-hbert.html

Thanks for posting this. It all makes sense now. Harper is ready to become our new queen.

I am kinda curious, has there been any push to implement a ranked voting system in Canada? Or is there ranked voting at a few localities?

I am curious because some cities in the states have adopted ranked voting, and it seems like it would solve your Harper problem without needed to do any major reform. It was implemented in Minneapolis last election and I thought it was fantastic. I would love to see it implemented much more widely.

There has been a push for proportional representation by the NDP (the current official opposition) and the Green Party. The Liberals have been a little wishy-washy but I think they have committed to some kind of electoral reform. Going by the Liberal party leader's past comments, it sounds like he prefers a ranked system similar to what you described. There isn't really a push for that specifically though.

 

[Sakura]

I am kinda curious, has there been any push to implement a ranked voting system in Canada? Or is there ranked voting at a few localities?

I am curious because some cities in the states have adopted ranked voting, and it seems like it would solve your Harper problem without needed to do any major reform. It was implemented in Minneapolis last election and I thought it was fantastic. I would love to see it implemented much more widely.

There was a referendum in BC to replace the provincial FPTP system with a form of ranked voting system, but the public voted to keep FPTP. There was also a referendum in Ontario, though I don't know if that was for ranked voting or not, and people voted to keep FPTP there too.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I am kinda curious, has there been any push to implement a ranked voting system in Canada? Or is there ranked voting at a few localities?

I am curious because some cities in the states have adopted ranked voting, and it seems like it would solve your Harper problem without needed to do any major reform. It was implemented in Minneapolis last election and I thought it was fantastic. I would love to see it implemented much more widely.

Ontario will have ranked ballots in municipal elections for the first time in 2018. It makes sense in municipal elections because they are strictly non-partisan here in Ontario. For the partisan provincial/federal elections though, I would much prefer a proportional system. Germany's or New Zealand's voting system to be precise.

 

[Walpurgis]

Ontario will have ranked ballots in municipal elections for the first time in 2018. It makes sense in municipal elections because they are strictly non-partisan here in Ontario. For the partisan provincial/federal elections though, I would much prefer a proportional system. Germany's or New Zealand's voting system to be precise.

Hmm... Yeah, that would make more sense in municipal elections. Never thought of that.

 

[firehawk12]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...outh-1.3259324

Wow this is pretty disgusting.

I'm assuming he's playing to his ethnic base there, which is something that's just unavoidable as neighbourhoods begin forming around ethnic groups, particularly if new immigrants are lead out of Toronto and into the GTA.

 

[Mailbox]

There was a referendum in BC to replace the provincial FPTP system with a form of ranked voting system, but the public voted to keep FPTP. There was also a referendum in Ontario, though I don't know if that was for ranked voting or not, and people voted to keep FPTP there too.

This is the one thing i will never forgive the idiots of my province on.

 

[Walpurgis]

I was just looking through the top posters saw that I'm in 3rd place. Guess who's in first?

Oh and just noticed that Terra Firma is banned. RIP.

 

[User 479360]

God, I'm confused. I may just not vote.

 

[Mailbox]

God, I'm confused. I may just not vote.

That isn't a reason not to vote!

Not voting in this election, when it is so damn important on the future of canada is a terrible thing to do.

 

[UberTag]

God, I'm confused. I may just not vote.

What specifically has you confused?

 

[killer rin]

God, I'm confused. I may just not vote.

what are you confused about?

 

[Walpurgis]

God, I'm confused. I may just not vote.

Do what they say.
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php

 

[Vamphuntr]

I'm assuming he's playing to his ethnic base there, which is something that's just unavoidable as neighbourhoods begin forming around ethnic groups, particularly if new immigrants are lead out of Toronto and into the GTA.

He has just been dropped by the CPC.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/651547668909568000

 

[subrock]

LESS TAXES

People hear that and it makes them stupid.

That rustles my jimmies so much. People are happy to sign away the health of society for a fucking $500 cheque. I'm squarely in the middle class, and I say keep the fucking money! Use it on something that will make life better for me or any other Canadian. Don't use my own money to buy my damn vote.

 

[Firestorm]

There was a referendum in BC to replace the provincial FPTP system with a form of ranked voting system, but the public voted to keep FPTP. There was also a referendum in Ontario, though I don't know if that was for ranked voting or not, and people voted to keep FPTP there too.

Well, we voted to replace it but we didn't hit 60%. For some reason people voted against it that I still don't understand. We then voted to also get rid of the HST. Then we voted against transit.

Voting doesn't seem to work out very well for the public good in BC.

 

[Azzanadra]

On the bright side, as many have suggested, if the Tories do win, its all downhill from here. The news actually makes me really depressed through, the Canadian prairies are like the US south. Not that there's anything wrong with having a conservative ideology, but there is plenty wrong with Harper's conservatives.

 

[UberTag]

He has just been dropped by the CPC.

That makes how many candidates have they dropped this campaign? I've lost count.
And they're still going to win in two weeks. How sad is that?

On the bright side, as many have suggested, if the Tories do win, its all downhill from here. The news actually makes me really depressed through, the Canadian prairies are like the US south. Not that there's anything wrong with having a conservative ideology, but there is plenty wrong with Harper's conservatives.

I'm a fiscal conservative at heart. I actually like a lot of Conservative ideology despite being socially liberal. Hell, I voted for Harper way back when in 2006.
The damage he is doing to the Conservative brand and that party as a whole (not to mention the country) is irreparable, IMO.
Right-wing voters may be riding the train while they can but that party's image has been destroyed justifiably with the informed masses and it's going to crash hard when it does.

 

[Sakura]

Well, we voted to replace it but we didn't hit 60%. For some reason people voted against it that I still don't understand. We then voted to also get rid of the HST. Then we voted against transit.

Voting doesn't seem to work out very well for the public good in BC.

I believe you are referring to the results of the 2005 referendum.
There was a better worded referendum in 2009 for electoral reform, and almost 61% voted to keep FPTP.

 

[Omzz]

Im scared Canada bros. Trudeau pls win

 

[Windam]

That makes how many candidates have they dropped this campaign? I've lost count.
And they're still going to win in two weeks. How sad is that?

Harper should just adopt the slogan "Keep Canada Great" for his followers. His party is basically just clawing at the GOP's legs going "look at me! I can do it, too!".

 

[mo60]

He has just been dropped by the CPC.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/651547668909568000

Will this have a great impact on the results of that riding now and is he still running as an independent?

 

[UberTag]

Will this have a great impact on the results of that riding now and is he still running as an independent?

That riding was going Liberal no matter what. Won't impact the results one iota.

 

[killer rin]

He has just been dropped by the CPC.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/651547668909568000

Damn, so that riding is now going to go Liberal...right?

 

[mo60]

Damn, so that riding is now going to go Liberal...right?

According to 308 the liberal candidate has around 52% in terms of support right now.

 

[User 479360]

That isn't a reason not to vote!

Not voting in this election, when it is so damn important on the future of canada is a terrible thing to do.

I agree, but I don't want to make a bad decision and don't feel like I'm informed enough to properly vote.

I've got a lot going on in my own head, and just feel overwhelmed by all of the different parties' agendas.

I don't really trust Trudeau, Harper's run us into the ground but is promising jobs/saying the economy will improve, and I've almost always voted NDP. But a lot of that had to do with Layton.

What specifically has you confused?

what are you confused about?

There's no clear cut party that I like or trust.

Do what they say.
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php

It says to vote Liberal, but I dunno.

 

[Guesong]

I don't really trust Trudeau, Harper's run us into the ground but is promising jobs/saying the economy will improve, and I've almost always voted NDP. But a lot of that had to do with Layton.

So you dont trust Trudeau but you trust a man who you believe ran us into the ground?

I dont mean to sound mean here, but thats quite confusing.

 

[UberTag]

I agree, but I don't want to make a bad decision and don't feel like I'm informed enough to properly vote.

I've got a lot going on in my own head, and just feel overwhelmed by all of the different parties' agendas.

I don't really trust Trudeau, Harper's run us into the ground but is promising jobs/saying the economy will improve, and I've almost always voted NDP. But a lot of that had to do with Layton.

There's no clear cut party that I like or trust.

It says to vote Liberal, but I dunno.

If you're still confused, you can at least pass along your riding and we can advise you whether it's a battleground riding or not. Then you can at least know which candidates in your riding have a chance to win and your decision may be more straightforward and easier for you to make.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

On the bright side, as many have suggested, if the Tories do win, its all downhill from here. The news actually makes me really depressed through, the Canadian prairies are like the US south. Not that there's anything wrong with having a conservative ideology, but there is plenty wrong with Harper's conservatives.

I'm not even angry at the Prairies. The fact that maybe 40% of my neighbours here in Ontario might vote for Harper, even after this campaign of his, makes me sick to my stomach. If the Prairies are Alabama/Mississippi, then Ontario is frickin' South Carolina. "Nenshi and people like him" and kids pushing pregnant women wearing hijab = low point of Canada in the 21st century.

 

[Mailbox]

I agree, but I don't want to make a bad decision and don't feel like I'm informed enough to properly vote.

I've got a lot going on in my own head, and just feel overwhelmed by all of the different parties' agendas.

I don't really trust Trudeau, Harper's run us into the ground but is promising jobs/saying the economy will improve, and I've almost always voted NDP. But a lot of that had to do with Layton.





There's no clear cut party that I like or trust.



It says to vote Liberal, but I dunno.

I understand why you might think that, but not voting is way worse than voting without understanding.
Considering that the fair elections act is in place for the soul reason to make sure there are less votes, you should vote. Otherwise your non-vote makes other votes (of which you almost certainly don't agree with) stronger.

It's not a valid reason.
If you don't know who to vote for, vote strategically.

Apathy leads to governments that don't represent its people.

Edit: don't fall for harper's lies.

 

[Walpurgis]

On the bright side, as many have suggested, if the Tories do win, its all downhill from here. The news actually makes me really depressed through, the Canadian prairies are like the US south. Not that there's anything wrong with having a conservative ideology, but there is plenty wrong with Harper's conservatives.

As a black man, I can assure that the prairies (Winnipeg at least) aren't like the U.S. south or U.S. anywhere. The cities look mostly NDP/Liberal, rural areas, on the other hand....

 

[SRG01]

As a black man, I can assure that the prairies (Winnipeg at least) aren't like the U.S. south or U.S. anywhere. The cities look mostly NDP/Liberal, rural areas, on the other hand....

Not sure the same can be said about Alberta. I've seen some pretty disgusting stuff here, even in the urban areas.

 

[User 479360]

So you dont trust Trudeau but you trust a man who you believe ran us into the ground?

I dont mean to sound mean here, but thats quite confusing.

I never said I trusted Harper. It just makes my head spin.

If you're still confused, you can at least pass along your riding and we can advise you whether it's a battleground riding or not. Then you can at least know which candidates in your riding have a chance to win and your decision may be more straightforward and easier for you to make.

I understand why you might think that, but not voting is way worse than voting without understanding.
Considering that the fair elections act is in place for the soul reason to make sure there are less votes, you should vote. Otherwise your non-vote makes other votes (of which you almost certainly don't agree with) stronger.

It's not a valid reason.
If you don't know who to vote for, vote strategically.

Apathy leads to governments that don't represent its people.

Edit: don't fall for harper's lies.

I'll likely end up voting. I usually do.

 

[Azzanadra]

That riding was going Liberal no matter what. Won't impact the results one iota.

Yeah this is my riding, the Liberal support here is felt considering most of the families here are immigrants.

Though the conservatives that do exist here are hooked on that one f****** "rule" that parties to the right tend to have lower taxes. It irritates me to no end..... There is also a bit of the race divide. I used to be a member of a Liberal youth organization here, and so I did canvassing- that is going door to door to raise awareness, support, ask about who the voted for last time and if they planned to vote Liberal- the whole routine.

What I did notice was that immigrants from European countries, namely Slavic countries like Poland and Ukraine, tended to be conservatives while immigrants from south Asia (India, Pakistan) were Liberal/NDP. Interestingly enough, I found out that immigrants from east Asian countries tended to be more on the conservative side.

 

[Divvy]

So you dont trust Trudeau but you trust a man who you believe ran us into the ground?

I dont mean to sound mean here, but thats quite confusing.

To quote Jon Stewart:

"It's as if a guy drove me into a ditch and said, 'Don't worry, I know how to drive us out of this.'"

 

[SRG01]

interestingly enough, I found out that immigrants from east Asian countries tended to be more on the conservative side.

This isn't surprising to me. Most East Asian families heavily lean towards conservative values, and oddly enough don't seem to be bothered by a lot of the anti-immigration talk because they don't see themselves as such in some ways.

Even my family leans conservative, and I get odd stares from them when I say that I voted NDP during the provincial election here o_o

 

[Divvy]

This isn't surprising to me. Most East Asian families heavily lean towards conservative values, and oddly enough don't seem to be bothered by a lot of the anti-immigration talk because they don't see themselves as such in some ways.

Even my family leans conservative, and I get odd stares from them when I say that I voted NDP during the provincial election here o_o

Yeah, east Asians, from my experience, are just very fiscally conservative, but couldn't give a rats ass about any social issues. Whatever lowers dem taxes.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Well, we voted to replace it but we didn't hit 60%. For some reason people voted against it that I still don't understand. We then voted to also get rid of the HST. Then we voted against transit.

Voting doesn't seem to work out very well for the public good in BC.

Referendums in general are incredibly difficult to win and an insanely bad way to drive public policy.

As we saw with the HST and the Transit Tax, people can vote against a referendum for all sorts of reasons completely disconnected from the issue at hand. If the government supports the referendum for example, people may vote against it just because they hate the government, or the political party currently in government.

 

[Pedrito]

Harper's run us into the ground but is promising jobs/saying the economy will improve

All political parties in the history of the world have promised jobs and have said the economy would improve under their leadership.

I certainly wouldn't base my vote on that promise.

 

[Walpurgis]

Not sure the same can be said about Alberta. I've seen some pretty disgusting stuff here, even in the urban areas.

I haven't been there. Too bad.

 

[Perfect Blue]

He has just been dropped by the CPC.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/651547668909568000

I love it when these shitbags resign and their statement always involves some variation of "this doesn't represent my views".

 

[Divvy]

I love it when these shitbags resign and their statement always involves some variation of "this doesn't represent my views".

CPC*

*Definitely not associated with mug pissers, phone rapists or raging homophobes