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Agreed. I think she's proving that she belongs in other debates.
Trudeau gave a speech about that it back in March.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Agreed. I think she's proving that she belongs in other debates.
Trudeau gave a speech about that it back in March.
Going by redistributed 2011 votes the conservatives would have won Vancouver Granville so it's not a safe Liberal seat.
Good point that Liberal support is up in BC as well. My main point was just to point out that it's a pretty competitive race, so keep an eye on the polls, as the Libs might not necessarily be the leading opposition party depending on how the campaign goes.
Yup. I'm of the opinion it was mainly a gamble to try and peel some Conservative voters and it backfired on Trudeau when the bill went through. And it's suicide to change your mind so soon, so he's got no choice but to defend it.
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I can hear Canada Gaming GAF screaming about the shitty Canadian dollar as Harper talks about how awesome Canada's economy is right now.
My thoughts exactly, lol
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Eeep, Mulcair screwing up his closing statement.
It's how he's been so successful. The George Costanza approach: it's not lying if you believe it.
It's how he's been so successful. The George Costanza approach: it's not lying if you believe it.
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Uh oh Mulcair.
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Dat flub. It's going to be clipped and replayed for the next couple of days. lol
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anyone know what channel the USA debate is on?
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Fox, I think? Not sure where it is if you don't get Fox News, though.
EEEEEEE I know this isn't a surprise, but Trudeau is so good when he wants to be.
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Holy crap that was scripted.
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Okay and now bow your head for 2 seconds..
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Oh wait, has Harper not committed to any other debates? lol
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So...people's verdicts?
Actually, it's more Mulcair -- he's said this would be his only English debate, and he's pulled himself out of the others. It'll be interesting to see if he changes that after tonight.
Actually, it's more Mulcair -- he's said this would be his only English debate, and he's pulled himself out of the others. It'll be interesting to see if he changes that after tonight.
The first time he spoke slowly during this entire thing. It was good though.
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The contrast between her closing remarks and Trudeau's was ridiculous.
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everyone won but harper
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he rehearsed that so much it was great, if he sticks to that the next debate, not as loud but passionate, vocal but calm, he will shine
C'mon, Harper is pretty convincing, as much as that pains me to say.
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I preferred May's. Idk, I don't like it when politicians mention their children, or "why I got into politics" speeches that don't pass the smell test. In terms of presentation, Trudeau's was definitely best though.
Mulcair screwed up with the closing statement. That flash card shifting was annoying. Can't even remember Harper said.
Elizabeth May came out looking best. Trudeau did better than I thought. Mulcair didn't come out looking bad, but I was hoping he'd leave Harper in tears. Harper didn't actually look good to me, he looked somewhat discredited, but I'm not a Conservative so I'm clearly biased there.
Everyone's favorite candidate won.
Exactly. I'm not a Harper fan but he presents himself well during debates.
Pretty much.
May was the best. She said things that I didn't even know I wanted her to say. My only issue with her was her comment about ISIS following the Quran. If that's how the leader of the Green party thinks, that's very disappointing. In any case, most of her policies seemed good and basically everything she said was awesome.
I don't know what he's so scared of. I know he's polling really well but he's pretty good at arguing. I want to see more debates with all four party leaders. If he's really scared, he could just play it safe like he did today.
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I had a weird fuzzy feeling with Trudeau's closing statement.
It's a Tie between Muclair/Trudeau for me. I think we need a another debate
It's a Tie between Muclair/Trudeau for me. I think we need a another debate
Yeah, he took some MAJOR hits but he handled them well. He looked a little hurt when the camera showed him while Mulcair or May were talking but whenever he was given a chance to speak, he would lie his way out of it and the speaker would move onto the next question.
- Harper performed well as usual, but he felt maybe a little weaker than in the previous election's main English debate. No real surprises, but he was goaded into admitting that we're in a recession, and he did without making it a big deal
- Mulcair surprised the hell out me with how calm and collected he was. Super kudos to whoever has been coaching him. Lots of good points. Few knockout blows, though his environmental areas were very strong.
- Justin Trudeau had passion in spades. But his passion outweighs his speaking abilities. He took a bit of a pounding on C-51, but still held his ground.
- Elizabeth May also surprised the hell out of me. To me, she filled some of the gap from Gilles Duceppe not being present this time. Hard facts and figures, and ready to stick it to the Prime Minister.
Was there a winner? Honestly, the person with the best performance overall was probably Elizabeth May, but Mulcair definitely performed far better than I thought he would.
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I think either May or Trudeau had the best performance, which probably means that May was the best. She sounded like a voice of reason most of the time, and she probably exceeded most people's expectations. Don't know if it'll win her any votes, though, but I think it's enough to keep her seat.
Trudeau may have been a little jumpy, but I don't think that hurts him. He's supposed to be the young, passionate guy, so playing into that probably won't hurt him. He had some pretty great lines, and his closing statement was miles better than everyone else's.
Harper was Harper. If I were a Conservative supporter, I'd probably feel reassured. That "Mr. Harper, nobody believes you" line was arguably the closest we had to a zinger, but as I said, it probably won't hurt his Conservative support.
Mulcair was really underwhelming. He never had the right tone, he vanished for long swaths of time, and I feel like he tried to channel Layton but failed miserably. Also, flubbing his closing statement was pretty terrible, considering he was reading it.
Of course, the number of people who watched a debate on a Thursday night in August was probably extremely low, so I'm not sure it'll change much.
Trudeau may have been a little jumpy, but I don't think that hurts him. He's supposed to be the young, passionate guy, so playing into that probably won't hurt him. He had some pretty great lines, and his closing statement was miles better than everyone else's.
Harper was Harper. If I were a Conservative supporter, I'd probably feel reassured. That "Mr. Harper, nobody believes you" line was arguably the closest we had to a zinger, but as I said, it probably won't hurt his Conservative support.
Mulcair was really underwhelming. He never had the right tone, he vanished for long swaths of time, and I feel like he tried to channel Layton but failed miserably. Also, flubbing his closing statement was pretty terrible, considering he was reading it.
Of course, the number of people who watched a debate on a Thursday night in August was probably extremely low, so I'm not sure it'll change much.
The two things needed for Trudeau closing statement was the camera zooming in on him and emotional Thomans Newman music playing in the background.
I was almost sure we'd fade to stock footage of a waving Canadian flag and a flock of doves after that.
I was almost sure we'd fade to stock footage of a waving Canadian flag and a flock of doves after that.
You said voters in Vancouver Centre should consider switching. That's what I was referring to.
I don't how well researched threehundredeight is, but it shows both V-Centre and V-Granville both firmly Liberal with projections of 44.4% and 45.6%.
Really? I thought he said virtually nothing and sounded meandering as fuck. But eh. Politics are like that.
You should've been there earlier. It was almost akin to this image
Still need to check out the US Republicans debate later.
Trudeau's closing statement was like something out of an 8th grade election. "I want to be your class president because I care"
Mulcair's closing statement came out kinda awkward and robotic.
Harper's closing statement I don't even remember.
May's closing statement I thought was the best. She mentioned some other issues people care about and raised the profile of the Green Party.
Mulcair's closing statement came out kinda awkward and robotic.
Harper's closing statement I don't even remember.
May's closing statement I thought was the best. She mentioned some other issues people care about and raised the profile of the Green Party.
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