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[dragonfart28]

Other than that completely horrific closing statement, Mulcair was the star of this show.

Such consistent pwnage.
(except for that closing statement)

May was alright, but she needs to lay off the crackpot conspiracy type talk.

Trudeau came off like a complete PRbot. #he'snotready

 

[firehawk12]

So...people's verdicts?

Actually, it's more Mulcair -- he's said this would be his only English debate, and he's pulled himself out of the others. It'll be interesting to see if he changes that after tonight.

Oh really? What's his hangup?

 

[Pedrito]

May still dropping the truth bombs in her press conference...

Re: last Supreme court nomination being awful.

 

[Walpurgis]

Some interesting data I took from the Maclean comments.

 

[firehawk12]

Oh god this reporter at Trudeau's post-debate presser:

"Your closing remarks were kind of horrible." lol

 

[Hieberrr]

Holy shit, some reporter/media guy just straight up told Trudeau's closing statement was "horrible". Daaammnnnnn...

 

[BY2K]

What was the closing comment?

 

[MMarston]

What was the closing comment?

Have you watched any of his ads and how he talks in them?


Because that's kinda what he did.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Oh god this reporter at Trudeau's post-debate presser:

"Your closing remarks were kind of horrible." lol

Holy shit, some reporter/media guy just straight up told Trudeau's closing statement was "horrible". Daaammnnnnn...

Seriously? Because I thought it was pretty amazing. Apart from Wells stepping over his last line, it gave me goosebumps.

ETA: It's here, for reference.

 

[dragonfart28]

Seriously? Because I thought it was pretty amazing. Apart from Wells stepping over his last line, it gave me goosebumps.

ETA: It's here, for reference.

He basically repeated the same script from one of his ads.

It was all rhetoric.

 

[Pedrito]

And apparently Harper is the only one not talking to journalists after the debate...

It's not even funny anymore.

 

[Walpurgis]

Why don't the NDP have any people in the senate?

And apparently Harper is the only one not talking to journalists after the debate...

It's not even funny anymore.

Even Mulcair talked to the reporters.

 

[BY2K]

Seriously? Because I thought it was pretty amazing. Apart from Wells stepping over his last line, it gave me goosebumps.

ETA: It's here, for reference.

All I got out of that is "Better is possible."

 

[Kifimbo]

Why don't the NDP have any people in the senate?

Hmm, they never were elected.

 

[jstripes]

And apparently Harper is the only one not talking to journalists after the debate...

It's not even funny anymore.

Funny or not, are you the least bit surprised?

He's the guy who killed off the parliamentary scrum, after all.

 

[Walpurgis]

Hmm, they never were elected.

So only the Prime Minister can place senators? That's stupid. What's preventing Harper from clearing out all the red?

 

[matthewwhatever]

He can't just fire Senators. They have to retire at 75. He can just appoint new ones. Martin tried appointing NDP senators, but they refused to take their spots.

(Which leads to the question of who, exactly, he would expect to table his legislation if he were to become PM, but that's another thing he just kind of glosses over.)

He basically repeated the same script from one of his ads.

It was all rhetoric.

It was a debate. Are you expecting non-rhetoric? The fact Mulcair straight-up read his closing statement (yet, somehow, still screwed it up) should let you know that everything all the leaders said was scripted.

In any case...I think that May just won:

 

[Silexx]

So only the Prime Minister can place senators? That's stupid. What's preventing Harper from clearing out all the red?

The courts will eventually force him to fill the seats.

 

[Walpurgis]

It seems no one has picked up on May's screw up when talking about ISIS. It's probably because the media doesn't care about them. I hope it stays that way. The Green party needs all the help they can get.

The courts will eventually force him to fill the seats.

Yeah, with blue. I don't know the rules. Is there anything preventing him from making the entire senate Conservative?

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I fired off about three tweets about May, and one retweet about Trudeau.

I think we have keep in mind Twitter's young demographic. The average age of those 100k tweets is probably 20. The average age of polls will be 50. Those Harper numbers are probably way higher if adjusted for age.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Yeah, with blue. I don't know the rules. Is there anything preventing him from making the entire senate Conservative?

Nope. It's the PM's prerogative. When Mulroney came into power in 1984, the Liberals had such an overwhelming majority that he eventually had to use some Constitutional manoeuvring to appoint enough Senators to give him a majority there (which he used to pass the GST in 1990).

 

[lupinko]

Anyone got a link for the debate recap if it exists or Angry Tom's closing statement? Help an expat here.

 

[dragonfart28]

It was a debate. Are you expecting non-rhetoric? The fact Mulcair straight-up read his closing statement (yet, somehow, still screwed it up) should let you know that everything all the leaders said was scripted.

In any case...I think that May just won:

Trudeau's was almost a carbon copy of his ads.

Sure, all the closing remarks were scripted, but his were the most egregious.

 

[Pedrito]

Prime Minster Harper wins first debate!!!1!!

https://twitter.com/a_picazo/status/629476863606329344

 

[SRG01]

Prime Minster Harper wins first debate!!!1!!

https://twitter.com/a_picazo/status/629476863606329344

Not gonna lie, I stared at your post then at the tweet for a good minute before I saw the typo :lol The whole "RT if proofreading is elitist" is great

 

[dragonfart28]

Canada party leaders debate: May and Mulcair outshine Harper – as it happened
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/aug/06/canada-first-party-leaders-debate-live-updates

 

[Walpurgis]

Prime Minster Harper wins first debate!!!1!!

https://twitter.com/a_picazo/status/629476863606329344

 

[Walpurgis]

Nope. It's the PM's prerogative. When Mulroney came into power in 1984, the Liberals had such an overwhelming majority that he eventually had to use some Constitutional manoeuvring to appoint enough Senators to give him a majority there (which he used to pass the GST in 1990).

Surprised that Harper hasn't done that then. This whole senate thing seems like a joke.

 

[ameratsu]

I haven't really listened to Justin Trudeau speak publicly before, but is he always this bad? I actually couldn't stand to watch him speak, it felt so forced and awkward.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

I haven't really listened to Justin Trudeau speak publicly before, but is he always this bad? I actually couldn't stand to watch him speak, it felt so forced and awkward.

Felt really scripted...actually everyone did except for May. We need Jack Layton back ;__;

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Felt really scripted...actually everyone did except for May. We need Jack Layton back ;__;

Actually, everyone trying to invoke Jack Layton is what a made a lot of this so cringe. Harper and Mulcair should not smile, ever.

 

[Jakten]

For anyone who missed it here is a link to the recorded debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSf2__qpeGA

 

[Orca]

Some pretty clever twitter jokes about the Harper/Netflix thing.

 

[Walpurgis]

Actually, everyone trying to invoke Jack Layton is what a made a lot of this so cringe. Harper and Mulcair should not smile, ever.

What is Jack Layton? This is the first debate that I've watched so I don't know what Jack Layton means (I know who he is).

 

[firehawk12]

What is Jack Layton? This is the first debate that I've watched so I don't know what Jack Layton means (I know who he is).

Jack Layton basically owned the last debates because he came off as a human being and not a politician-bot.

Seriously? Because I thought it was pretty amazing. Apart from Wells stepping over his last line, it gave me goosebumps.

ETA: It's here, for reference.

I think the worst part is that before that the reporter asked, "More young people are watching The Daily Show finale than your debate. Why should they care and why should they vote for you?"

The reporter was clearly trying to get some kind of soundbite and was fishing hard. If it was Harper, he probably would have just walked off stage at that point. lol

 

[Pedrito]

What is Jack Layton? This is the first debate that I've watched so I don't know what Jack Layton means (I know who he is).

Basically: debating with a smile instead of debating with the fist in the air.

 

[firehawk12]

I just realized that this is the first debate that I watched without Duceppe in it... and it's sad that he wasn't there. He probably would have owned the entire format.

 

[matthewwhatever]

What is Jack Layton? This is the first debate that I've watched so I don't know what Jack Layton means (I know who he is).

The happy warrior, basically. He went into the last election in a distant third place, and killed it in the debates by looking sunnier than Ignatieff and smiling as he kept knifing Harper in the back. I hated him and found him incredibly corny, but it worked really well, as the debates showed. Optimism works. I felt like it came a lot more naturally to Trudeau than to Mulcair, who looked like he was going to pull a muscle every time he smiled.


National Post: Justin Trudeau ekes out win in leaders’ debate with no knockout punches, little high drama

 

[gutter_trash]

if anybody goes on HuffingtonPost or sees NDP on Facebook, all you see is fake smiling Tom Mulcair smiling hard

like click HuffPo Canada, politics.... yous see Tom, taught to fake smile, smile hard

I saw Jack Layton and Tom Mulcair from 10 feet away, Tom first than Jack after. Tom came of fake while Jack was the real deal

Tom is trying TOO HARD to smile as much as Jack did but... Tom does it fake

 

[G17]

Didn't get a chance to watch the debate. Anywhere I can get quick run down of what everyone said? Were their any major gaffes and a candidate lost your vote?

The CBC At Issue panel has a few highlights. https://youtu.be/z_qfpHyXRvM

 

[t-storm]

For anyone who missed it here is a link to the recorded debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSf2__qpeGA

https://youtu.be/hSf2__qpeGA?t=1h53m36s

Awwwwkwwwaaarrrrrd

 

[mugwhump]

DOGPILE ON HARPER

 

[Walpurgis]

Jack Layton basically owned the last debates because he came off as a human being and not a politician-bot.




I think the worst part is that before that the reporter asked, "More young people are watching The Daily Show finale than your debate. Why should they care and why should they vote for you?"

The reporter was clearly trying to get some kind of soundbite and was fishing hard. If it was Harper, he probably would have just walked off stage at that point. lol

I heard that. That reporter has no dignity.

I've always gotten the sense that Maclean's was trash for some reason, probably some news I heard or some garbage Maclean's article I read at the dentist when I was a kid. I looked at their Wikipedia page to confirm my suspicions. That being said, I think they handled the debates really well in a non-partisan way. And the data they posted in the comments were just a reflection of the facts and didn't seem like there was any agenda behind them. The moderator wasn't bad either and grilled both Harper and Mulcair.

Basically: debating with a smile instead of debating with the fist in the air.

I feel that Elizabeth May was the closest to both of your descriptions of Jack Layton.

 

[firehawk12]

I heard that. That reporter has no dignity.

I've always gotten the sense that Maclean's was trash for some reason, probably some news I heard or some garbage Maclean's article I read at the dentist when I was a kid. I looked at their Wikipedia page to confirm my suspicions. That being said, I think they handled the debates really well in a non-partisan way. And the data they posted in the comments were just a reflection of the facts and didn't seem like there was any agenda behind them. The moderator wasn't bad either and grilled both Harper and Mulcair.
I feel that Elizabeth May was the closest to both of your descriptions of Jack Layton.

IIRC the reporter was from Global. He also sounded nervous as hell and was umming a lot.

As for Macleans... it's like the only news magazine in Canada, so they sort of win by default. Certainly it's Roger's most prestigious property, so it makes sense that they'd use that to headline the debate and not call it the "CityTV/OMNI national debates" or something equally ludicrous. (The SportsNet debate!)

 

[matthewwhatever]

I've always gotten the sense that Maclean's was trash for some reason, probably some news I heard or some garbage Maclean's article I read at the dentist when I was a kid. I looked at their Wikipedia page to confirm my suspicions. That being said, I think they handled the debates really well in a non-partisan way. And the data they posted in the comments were just a reflection of the facts and didn't seem like there was any agenda behind them. The moderator wasn't bad either and grilled both Harper and Mulcair.

I was skeptical going in, since Wells has written a couple of books about Harper's brilliance, but he did a good job.

Toronto Star: No knockout blows during first debate / Stephen Harper still standing after debate attacks from three adversaries

Huffington Post: Elizabeth May Proves She Deserves A Spot In Each Debate / Maclean's Leaders' Debate Made A Lot Of Canadians Want To Google Trudeau

 

[t-storm]

National Post: Justin Trudeau ekes out win in leaders’ debate

 

[Jakten]

DOGPILE ON HARPER

Maclean's National Harper Harpers 2015

 

[matthewwhatever]

A neat look at how the debates played out on Google in real-time. Even if May wowed most of us, it doesn't seem like she inspired people to seek out more info about her or her party, unfortunately.

 

[Fou-Lu]

Harper stumbled terribly, but that's not surprising since he is a fuck up anyway.

Mulcair is creepy and seems like he doesn't even know where he is half the time. Plus I dislike his pandering to the separatists.

Trudeau I think did the best to not fuck up, but he didn't really wow either. Still would prefer him in office.

May presented herself well, I was impressed. Still don't want the green party in power of course.

 

[Walpurgis]

The Green party should change their name instead of constantly repeating that they aren't a single issue party.