Gee, I hope Tom doesn't lose his seat... I'm voting Liberal but I actually like Mulcair, contrary to popular opinion in this thread.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Gee, I hope Tom doesn't lose his seat... I'm voting Liberal but I actually like Mulcair, contrary to popular opinion in this thread.
If they don't agree they get to frame them as talking about something they don't understand. If they do accept they basically force them to shut up about it until after the election because they wouldn't be able to criticize in any specific way.
Mulcair's public hall with Vice is up if anyone's interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTGkbb1lQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTGkbb1lQA
If the NDP support rises again in Quebec and doesn't drop further Tom will definitely keep his seat.
So I was looking up the poll hours and I don't get why the polls close earlier east of Ontario. Like, it'd be one thing if they just all closed at 9:30 until Ontario, but it just seems strange to me.
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=bkg&document=ec90815&lang=e
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=bkg&document=ec90815&lang=e
Because, and I speak from experience, having been a DRO here, the people working on the election like to be able to wrap things up at a reasonable hour. Plus, obviously, uniform voting hours for everybody in the country.
gutter_trash
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traffic?
The Dan Gagnier drama is fairly disappointing. That kind of shaky ethics was always associated with the Liberals and it's sad that after all the troubles they had to go through related to lobbying and being too close to them that they keep doing it. At least they fired him(" he resigned") but it kind of show that even with a new coat of paint that they are back to their old habits.
Can't wrap my head around the Rob Ford stuff either. He's attacking Trudeau because he smoked weed and want to legalized it while he smoked crack. Whaaaat.
Can't wrap my head around the Rob Ford stuff either. He's attacking Trudeau because he smoked weed and want to legalized it while he smoked crack. Whaaaat.
gutter_trash
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Doug Ford is the one that came out on TV saying that stuff...
while Doug was a drug pusher himself in his earlier years
while Doug was a drug pusher himself in his earlier years
LordAmused
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I'm living in Jonquiere. Pettersen was second in yesterday local news poll. NPD is most likely going to win it here, he obviously didn't need something like this to happen.
Now I do believe it was stupid. I mean, there is indeed a McDonald's literally across the street.
Shame I voted early...for him.
gutter_trash
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HahaHahahaha the perils of early voting
Well if it's a close riding, yeah.
What?Is there a power gap within the conservatives that harper feels that he has to fulfill if the conservatives lose to make sure that the CPC doesn't collapse after this election.
https://twitter.com/CTV_PowerPlay/status/654770689988124672
There's also this to.
http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/14/crosbys-partner-says-firm-is-not-involved-in-conservative-campaign/
https://twitter.com/CTV_PowerPlay/status/654770689988124672
There's also this to.
http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/14/crosbys-partner-says-firm-is-not-involved-in-conservative-campaign/
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Oh come on, let me have fun with my dumb MGS jokes.
And no I don't think the Bloc is inherently racist. I believe they are opportunistic with the niqab thing and are winning votes from racists (and simply ignorant or uninformed people) with it. But it's in no way the center of their platform and they only started exploiting it after the CPC made considerable gains by constantly repeating it.
Mike Works
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Oooooh, twelve dollars in one year, big money.Colorado has been raking in the cash
I'm with Harper on this one.
killer rin
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Please let there be 3-4 elections until the CPC rebuilds itself.
I had to ask myself if this was sarcasm. Oh god. Tack an /s on it.
I think he was mocking your typical Conservative voter
I figured as much, but damn. People really need to be versed in poe's law.
So... one of the strategic voting sites is recommending voting for the NDP candidate in my riding even though two recent riding polls from different pollsters (which they have right on their page for the riding) put the Liberal candidate ahead.
I guess they're a strategic vote-splitting site now.
I guess they're a strategic vote-splitting site now.
I could say the same of the CPC. It really doesn't make a difference to me if a politician is "opportunistic" and does racist things or if they themselves are racist and do racist things. The result is the same, a racist thing has been done and racists will rally around them. And the niqab thing goes way back in Quebec. The CPC didn't come up with it. They actually copied their policies.
gutter_trash
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they base themselves on 2011 data with 2011 riding maps LOL
No. If they did that they would endorse the Liberals.
Projections from 308 and signal also put the Liberal candidate ahead.
gutter_trash
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i was talking about the Strategic Voting people
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You are seriously equating the Bloc to the CPC? This is just bad faith at this point.
Requiring people to vote with their face visible is not inherently racist, and is not necessarily motivated by racism. You can be against it and have very good reasons to do so, sure, but please, please, stop depicting anybody disagreeing with you as a racist monster.
Demonizing muslims, turning immigrants into second-class citizen, insinuating immigration makes Canada full of terrorists... those are not from the Bloc.
And again, as if it isn't clear enough: I don't agree with the Bloc's position on the niqab and I'm disappointed to see them exploit it now that Harper discovered it's a very good wedge issue.
No one wants to seriously talk about the TPP this election because in all likeliness they all support it. Mulcair is coming out hard against it but, but his angle seems purely political. If he can rage against the auto industry part hard enough maybe he can win Oshawa.
You Are Viewtiful
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Sounds like a case of "not racist, but #1 with racists".
I'm talking about leadnow / votetogether.
Although my riding is the only one in BC to be listed "vote your preference" on Strategic Voting. Is there something wrong with the Liberal candidate in my riding I'd not aware of? I don't want to suggest the obvious thing...
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When Harper uses the meaningless niqab wedge issue to distract from everything else, you guys hate it, but it becomes awfully useful when it's time to demonize a party and pretend they only exist to oppress minorities.
The bolded is definitely from the Bloc. It's the same in France. Create a law for "everyone" but actually target a specific group of people. You think that these women will just take their niqabs off? Not likely. With a niqab, they are already banned from providing and receiving public services in Quebec anyway.
I know it's hard for you to accept but the CPC and BQ are not very different in this area. Both have policies that are crafted to target specific groups, while not affecting others. This whole niqab thing isn't a security issue, the women remove their niqabs to verify their identities to women when asked, whether voting or attaining citizenship. Then what's the problem? It's a cultural issue. Will we allow others to practice their cultures in this country? And if so, how exotic are they allowed to be? These are the questions that CPC and BQ are asking.
I never claimed that was why the exist. It's not why the CPC exists either. It's simply one of the many things that each party offers. And stop trying to paint those oppressors as victims.
Simon Belmont
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That doesn't make any sense. We don't like Harper's position on it, and we don't like the Bloc's position on it.
gutter_trash
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why are you guys talking about the niqab since the news hasn't talked about it in ... 2, 3 days?
Some people don't know that the BQ is racist.
Yeah there seems to be a bit of a buzz around this on Vancouver Reddit and Twitter. I was reading into this earlier this afternoon.
I think there's confusion about why LeadNow would recommend voting in Vancouver Granville because people don't realize there's a big difference between a poll aggregator like 308 and what LeadNow is trying to do with Vote Together.
The intention of LeadNow's Vote Together campaign is to create voting blocs of ABC voters that have collectively decided to "vote together" for whichever candidate the voting bloc votes to support. The point of the polls that LeadNow has organized has been to support the riding voting bloc's decision making process. This is explained in further detail on their FAQ.
According to LeadNow's twitter over 2000 of the 5200 people in the Vancouver Granville voting bloc voted and were 61% in favour of supporting the NDP. So this is why Vote Together is recommending the NDP. It's not directly related to the polls.
The two most recent Vancouver Granville polls have the Liberals in the lead, though with the most recent one, the Liberal lead is within the margin of error. It's probably too close to call. The Conservatives are back in third place so really, this isn't a riding where strategic voting is important. I think anyone in this riding could vote Lib or NDP if they wanted and there's not a large chance of a Conservative win.
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I'm increasingly not sure how much faith I put in riding projections like 308 this election. I think they work well for elections where the results aren't that far off the previous result, but some of these shifts are pretty huge.
Like where exactly are the additional nearly 20% of support for the Liberals coming from? Yes we have regional breakdowns, we can see the other parties go down, but we don't know exactly which ridings, exactly which demographics, etc. How do we know the remaining support for the Conservatives are even all people that voted for them last time? It could all be the islamophobe vote, coming in from previous voters of all other parties. How much will the NDP collapse in Quebec affect the results? Could be a massive amount.
I bet we'll get some big surprises in riding results on Monday.
Like where exactly are the additional nearly 20% of support for the Liberals coming from? Yes we have regional breakdowns, we can see the other parties go down, but we don't know exactly which ridings, exactly which demographics, etc. How do we know the remaining support for the Conservatives are even all people that voted for them last time? It could all be the islamophobe vote, coming in from previous voters of all other parties. How much will the NDP collapse in Quebec affect the results? Could be a massive amount.
I bet we'll get some big surprises in riding results on Monday.
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i think the NDP slide in Quebec has stopped
The TVA French debate week caused them to bleed but I believe that the bleeding is over.
I think people had enough time to realize a re-think on the issue if it is even worth letting Harper get re-elected over it.
Polls showing the Bloc winning double digits in seats now have fallen back to single digits seats.
The anti-Harper vote is stronger than the hyper-secularism sentiment almost duping people in Quebec from the Left to vote for Harper.
Right Wing Quebecers will vote Conservative, but the amount of Left Wing Quebecers who thought of voting for Harper for the Niqab are shying away from that thaught and going back to being Anti-Harper first.
Hardcore separatists are voting Bloc anyway or not showing up to vote.
The TVA French debate week caused them to bleed but I believe that the bleeding is over.
I think people had enough time to realize a re-think on the issue if it is even worth letting Harper get re-elected over it.
Polls showing the Bloc winning double digits in seats now have fallen back to single digits seats.
The anti-Harper vote is stronger than the hyper-secularism sentiment almost duping people in Quebec from the Left to vote for Harper.
Right Wing Quebecers will vote Conservative, but the amount of Left Wing Quebecers who thought of voting for Harper for the Niqab are shying away from that thaught and going back to being Anti-Harper first.
Hardcore separatists are voting Bloc anyway or not showing up to vote.
People are not at all happy about this Vancouver Granville LeadNow recommendation.
Some accusations of bias being thrown around.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Leadnow...+interest/11441670/story.html?__lsa=b351-f659
Some accusations of bias being thrown around.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Leadnow...+interest/11441670/story.html?__lsa=b351-f659
I guess the fact that when I scroll down to the bottom of this webpage I see a picture of the NDP candidate (Mira Oreck) right next to a picture of the Leadnow Executive Director (Lyndsay Poaps) has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Not surprising.
I'm really curious to see how "real" this red wave is going to be. The media has never taken the NDP seriously as a party not even since becoming the official opposition. If the NDP outpace the Liberals again this election there's gonna be a lot of finger pointing.
Does this affect votetogether and strategicvoting?
It affects votetogether.
At who? The media had largely written off the Liberals until the polls shifted in their favour.
Simon Belmont
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My perception has always been that the impact of strategic voting is not very substantial.
It's basically statistical noise.
You Are Viewtiful
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What is your definition of statistical noise? 3 or 4% swings make a huge difference in our electoral system.
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