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Okay, the TPP is complete shit. Trudeau better not support this garbage.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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TPP is even worse then I thought. I don't know how we can decline it though if the rest of the parties sign off on it.
Our trade with US and Japan would drop drastically for preferred TPP partners and it would result in an economic recession unless we could offset with agreement with China or Europe to offset the trade deficit that would occur.
To universally agree or disagree with the TPP is foolish. You should have a neutral chance that looks towards re-negotiation to see if we can get better terms, especially around ones that infringe on fair internet and copyright use - I honestly don't care much about the auto industry or dairy industry, we will just adapt to where we benefit in trade, we should be focusing to a more knowledge based economy anyways.
Our trade with US and Japan would drop drastically for preferred TPP partners and it would result in an economic recession unless we could offset with agreement with China or Europe to offset the trade deficit that would occur.
To universally agree or disagree with the TPP is foolish. You should have a neutral chance that looks towards re-negotiation to see if we can get better terms, especially around ones that infringe on fair internet and copyright use - I honestly don't care much about the auto industry or dairy industry, we will just adapt to where we benefit in trade, we should be focusing to a more knowledge based economy anyways.
firehawk12
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The CBC panel seems to agree that it came at the right time for the Liberals in that there's no time for it to become an issue.
I assume if they don't talk about it until Tuesday, they think they're fine. lol
But let's face it, the Liberals are as bad as the Conservatives. This is why they lost in the first place.
I think we should just move on. We have more pressing issues then to waste money on investigations.
This is a slippery slope, however.
If the media and the public of Canada talk about it the wrong way, they could start seeing The liberal position as both for it and against it (a political Schrödinger's cat of sorts).
That could cause a few problems.
It's tricky, and yes it needs to be talked about. That said, the general public can be very fickle and stupid in their decision making.
The problem is, like you mentioned, Harper has tied Canada's hands on this because there's not much we can do in opposition to the deal if the other stakeholders all implement it.
I think the best hope right now is that the next POTUS throws the whole agreement in the trash, then we can follow suit. Let's be honest, the TPP isn't happening if the US isn't supporting it.
I think once they sign off on it, it's not something you can back out of, either at all or easily.
No, any president can rescind an unratified treaty. George W. did that with a few things Clinton signed, for instance.
Given the way the US Senate works, though, I could easily see ratification of this being derailed even just by some Tea Party bullshit.
matthewwhatever
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Allegedly he ended a recent rally by saying "Pharmacare, child care, Mulcair." I don't know if the journalist tweeting it was joking or serious, and I think it sounds unbelievably corny if it happened, but that would've been such an incredibly effective campaign slogan.
I saw a comment somewhere that if someone were really trying to game the system, promoting strategic voting would be a great way to do it. For the most part it's based on wild guesswork (though Leadnow has been better than most organizations about backing up what they say with data), and it's an incredibly flawed approach for all the reasons Maharg outlined. I'm not surprised to hear that one of them has strong NDP ties.
You've been insistent that the NDP is fine in Quebec for weeks now, despite all evidence in the face of that. While I admit that Quebec could go in any direction, including back to the NDP, at this point making any firm predictions about the province seems a little foolish.
The election is Monday, no one pays any attention to the press over the weekend, and the Ford brothers are sucking up all the oxygen in campaign coverage for the third straight day. I'm going to guess it's not happening.
And even if it was, I think people are vastly overestimating how much sway Canada has here. We're a country of 35 million people. The alternative to TPP isn't a better deal, it's a deal that just excludes Canada. Anyone who thinks we're in a position to renegotiate something "better" is mistaken.
Zombie James
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Nanos: Lib 36.5, Con 30.6, NDP 23.5
Forum: Lib 37, Con 31, NDP 24
Forum: Lib 37, Con 31, NDP 24
gutter_trash
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TooCloseToCall finally re-ajusted his prediction with the week long trend
http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/10/with-3-days-to-go-liberals-take-lead.html
he has been skeptical of the Liberals getting as many seats for the past week. Now here is a his ajustment.
The NDP has stopped their bleeding in Quebec while the Bloc has lost some feathers
I seriously doubt that the Bloc will be able to break over 7 and still stand firm that are lucky to get 5
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and Niqab lady is about to ruin the election:
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...niqab-uvre-au-sein-dune-organisation-radicale
http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/10/with-3-days-to-go-liberals-take-lead.html
he has been skeptical of the Liberals getting as many seats for the past week. Now here is a his ajustment.
The NDP has stopped their bleeding in Quebec while the Bloc has lost some feathers
I seriously doubt that the Bloc will be able to break over 7 and still stand firm that are lucky to get 5
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and Niqab lady is about to ruin the election:
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...niqab-uvre-au-sein-dune-organisation-radicale
Prax
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TooCloseToCall finally re-ajusted his prediction with the week long trend
http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/10/with-3-days-to-go-liberals-take-lead.html
he has been skeptical of the Liberals getting as many seats for the past week. Now here is a his ajustment.
The NDP has stopped their bleeding in Quebec while the Bloc has lost some feathers
I seriously doubt that the Bloc will be able to break over 7 and still stand firm that are lucky to get 5
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and Niqab lady is about to ruin the election:
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...niqab-uvre-au-sein-dune-organisation-radicale
Sorry, what's that say? Google translate can only do so much for me. lol
Does it say she has connections to a terrorist organization??
The organization she's a part of donates money to a Pakistani terrorist one?
Zombie James
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/15/harper-marijuana-jon-mccomb-show_n_8305700.html
Marijuana is bad because "science". What science? "Lots of studies."
Nothing stops the stupid train.
Marijuana is bad because "science". What science? "Lots of studies."
Nothing stops the stupid train.
matthewwhatever
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You know the Conservatives are spooked when you have the Sun telling people to vote Mulcair if they don't like Harper.
Prax
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Hahaha.. trying to split the left vote deliberately? >_> How interesting a strategy...
Though wouldn't people be more like "Well, the NDP are TOO left for me to follow the suggestion so.. I guess I can just vote for Liberal..."
I think it's pretty obvious that Harper was that guy in high school who'd go tell the principal about other kids smoking weed.
gutter_trash
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if JdM is running it, be sure that TVA / LCN will be talking about it all weekend long
PumpkinSpice
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I love what's coming out of his newly renewed association with Rob Ford. Pot, bad. Coke, no biggie.
Just makes him look like a total hypocrite.
gutter_trash
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his experience is strictly in Provincial politics where he made ideoglical contradictory statements while as Quebec MNA that does not mesh well for a new leader of a federal Socio-Democrat party
him keeping on playing the experience card makes it fair game to bring up his statements said in the past during his "experience" as a provincial MNA
It's a bit of a stretch since the Islamic Circle of North America isn't a terrorist organization but had at one time included members that were convicted of terrorism. After which, of course, the ICNA denounced them.
But Quebec media will surely run with it as if she's a member of al-Qaeda.
gutter_trash
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people who read the JdM and watch TVA won't make that distinction
Laevateinn
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This is not necessarily true. There are three thresholds for what would be considered an international agreement or treaty in America. The official constitutional requirement for a treaty is that the president can enter into a treaty provided that he has the consent of 2/3 of the senate. This would make it a formal treaty that would be incredibly difficult to back otu of. With TPP, it's unlikely they will reach that level of support.
Otherwise, the president can request the authority to enter into agreements with other nations in the form of a normal law that requires the approval of a majority of both houses or he can enter into an agreement unilaterally. With the latter, all that it would require is a new president who disagrees with it to back out or strong congressional opposition to deny funding to the mechanisms by which the agreement can be carried out.
With the former, it's a little trickier. I think a president can back out with sufficient notice but I think congress would then have the authority to force him to maintain the agreement. Obviously it would become a contentious issue and the ultimate result would depend on public reaction and the makeup of the congress. One thing that makes this unpredictable is the dysfunction of the house. With no clear speaker in waiting, increasing uneasiness from Democrats and a tea party out of Alice in Wonderland it's entirely possible that a revolt could occur creating a coalition of the left and far right to bring it down.
I think the only hope of the next president successfully removing ourselves from TPP would be if Bernie was elected. Hilldawg would express her disapproval of it but say it would be inappropriate for her to take down a part of Obama's legacy. She would probably make vague motions at "improving it" that ultimately go nowhere.
With all that said, good luck guys. Don't fuck this up again.
Zombie James
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More like...
Pot = bad.
Pot + Crack + Alcohol + Drunk driving + Beating your wife in front of your kids = No biggie.
Doesn't mean anything until Olivia King writes an endorsement in the Avonlea Chronicle.
gutter_trash
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PEI's main challenge is voter turn out which is usually low.
All they gotta do is show up
All they gotta do is show up
It says she's part of the ICNA who has links to the Jamaat-e-Islami, who is considered a terrorist organization according to the European Union. Her organization donates to a Pakistani organization who is controlled by the Jamaat-e-Islami.
Quite the contrary, we have the highest voter turnout in the country. Lower for federal elections than provincial (the last provincial election had 86% turnout), but that's still comfortably above average. In 2011, 74% of Islanders voted, in comparison with around 60% nationwide.
Biff
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Two months ago:
#omniscient
Olivia Chow getting stomped in Fort York will cement the end of the Layton Effect.
Time to reinvent, NDP.
#omniscient
Olivia Chow getting stomped in Fort York will cement the end of the Layton Effect.
Time to reinvent, NDP.
PumpkinSpice
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If Chow doesn't get elected it'll be because of Adam Vaughan's personal popularity more than anything else.
The Layton Effect was mostly a Quebec phenomenon anyway.
Zombie James
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Yeah, it would make sense that PEI would have high turnout. Typically smaller provinces are more engaged because they know they can't afford not to be.
gutter_trash
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Plus Chow won't stop talking about Daycare while she activily voted against Paul Martin'last budget which included a national Daycare program.
The NDP voted against Daycare in 2011 but Olvia loves to use lefty slogans about daycare and housing on the campaign trail.
The usual NDP song and dance
I still think she's not as popular as most think and she just road on Jack's popularity and liability like everyone else in the ndp.
matthewwhatever
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Remember when Olivia Chow was a shoo-in for Toronto mayor, right up until she flamed out and finished a distant third? I have a feeling this will be like that, only with that poll that showed she had a 40-point lead over Vaughn looking silly this time.
So now those four seats are going to go even more red than they were already!
So now those four seats are going to go even more red than they were already!
gutter_trash
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Quitting as an MP forcing a midterm election in Spadina to go into a mayoral race then decide to run again as an MP is like uhhh no respect for tax payers who foot the bill for the cost of midterm elections + lack of respect for voters who voted for her in 2011.
Because if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.
I doubt many people examine GDP data with their morning coffee.
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