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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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If our primary industry is at the mercy of forces out of our control, you'd think the government in charge for the past nine years would have made SOME effort to diversify to prevent this from happening. The fact that we have "nothing to even remotely fill that gap" is exactly their fault. Besides, both opposition parties have committed to increased funding in the renewable energy sectors.
There are plenty that aren't. The Sun news is not one of them. Might as well post Fox News.
gutter_trash
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NDP has a long history of defeating minority governments in the house with No Confidence motions
This is the kind of cretin that shifting rightward attracts. The NDP has some reexamining to do after this election.
I don't know what happened in the past but it just doesn't make sense in the current context. It's basically acting like the BQ in 2008.
pr0cs
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1)those outside forces also impacted the oil industry in the 80s why didn't out much more intelligent liberal leaders then diversify?
2)I'm sure the government, old or new would love to hear your opinion on a direct replacement for the oil industry
3)really? Here in Calgary I haven't heard a lick about any biotech companies of note or register even as a blip compared to existing companies.
I hear that the Norway model works brilliantly. I saw a Globe & Mail or CBC (can't remember which) article on that a few months ago. The CPC could have simply copied that.
Lone_Prodigy
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Mulcair pulling out all the stops in BC. Front-page ad in a newspaper saying the NDP is the best chance to defeat Harper, and he's holding a rally tomorrow in downtown Vancouver.
He was their campaign strategist last election to.
A lot of people, especially right wingers, believe that right-wing governments are inherently, naturally, and inevitably better at matters of economy and finances than left-wing governments, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I liken it to a religious belief, how so many people can so strongly believe in, and bet so much on, the existence of God(s)/miracles/supernatural despite the lack of evidence
The Canadian clean energy sector employs more people than the oil sands right now, yet that industry gets practically nothing from the federal government right now.
yes
killer rin
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True, but it would be committing political suicide. How could you face the electorate next election and then tell them you are the agent of change when they could have had change with one simple word and you said no?
Not to mention, the parties have enough of a common platform that they can work together on like 60% of the agenda in parliament. Even if all else, they would likely choose to go this route because they both have been given a chance to enact some "real change" which would validate them in the media for the next election
No offense, but it's not really up to him. If we're at the point where long-time Conservatives are dissatisfied with him he may not last long regardless.
Just figured that out right now.
What a sad way to campaign. Dude should just throw in the towel.
I think that's when they started shifting to the right. Still, I'm surprised that it wasn't Mulcair's doing. It just seems very un-NDP.
I hope he can keep the NDP strong in the BC interior.
gutter_trash
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NDP should stay as a Socio-democratic party and stop trying to Tony Blair the party to the Center when Canada already has a party in the Center
gutter_trash
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I'm a centristThen vote for NDP to get PR.
pr0cs
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Given the price of oil and the amount of layoffs in the last six months this is not much of a stretch. Most of the camps in Fort Mac are ghost towns now with people gone home or back east. Maybe they can apply for jobs with this clean energy.?
What sort of funding does the oil industry get from the federal government since you suggest oil gets something but clean energy does not
Simon Belmont
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Well Oil gets about 34 billion a year. Not sure what clean energy gets.
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/15/Canadas-34-Billion-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies/
You said you wanted the NDP to stay as social democrats and to stop trying to bring the party to the centre. The only way to ensure that is with PR.
matthewwhatever
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Layton started shifting the NDP to the right, because he wanted to replace the Liberals. Mulcair just -- temperamentally, at least, if not necessarily in their official platform -- accelerated things.
Via the Globe & Mail, we have a winner for the most incomprehensible endorsement of the campaign: The Tories deserve another mandate Stephen Harper doesnt
Shorter Globe: Things must stay the same AND be different!
Well this number was calculated last year, so it was before oil prices took a dive.
Oil gets subsidies and direct government investment. It also gets diplomatic benefits since we've spent so much lobbying the US to pass the Keystone pipeline. Not to mention how the government shutting domestic climate change science indirectly affects the clean energy sector as well.
Simon Belmont
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How does that make any sense?
smh, this is something I would expect from the National Post.
Jesse Brown made this quip, but these endorsements from Post Media publications read like they were written with a gun pointed at their heads.
gutter_trash
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Yes because I don't want vote splitting away from the Liberals
Canada does not need 2 centrist parties.
NDP should know their role and stay on the Left.
Uh, could say the same of the Liberals then.
The IMF calculated this to be 787 dollars of oil subsidies per Canadian per year.
http://ecoopportunity.net/2013/04/fossil-fuel-subsidies-nearly-800-per-canadian-says-the-imf/
gutter_trash
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Liberals were here first. They got 1st dibs
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Kim Campbell
CitizenVectron
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The problem is that many people don't like the Liberals because of their history of corruption. I mean if you think of many of the faces that would be in their new cabinet, many were in Chretien and Martin's governments.
So the NDP were strategically okay doing that, I think, as people wanted change but maybe not back to the Liberals, who still stink of corruption in many places. But Trudeau as a personality changed that around I think. Obviously the Liberals are still completely corrupt and tied with business interests, but he as a person seems fresh, so it helped them.
CitizenVectron
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Why? They've proven that they abuse power when they have it. Politics is more than ideology and games, it's also about corruption and openness.
gutter_trash
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Oh the Bloc Québécois talking points.
Zzzzz
NDP will be as equally curupt once they get power.
Look at Harper, he ran on running government differently and turned out to be worse on corruption
If you only want one centrist party, vote NDP for PR. Without PR, the NDP will move to the centre if they want to form government, and as long as this happens, votes will split away from the Liberals.
Still waiting on an Aboriginal Prime Minister. :/
Fake majorities are a recipe for corruption as the 'ruling' party has no checks on it and can do whatever it want. Harper made a career out of scandals happening early in his mandate and the electorate forgetting about horror shows like fake lakes and billions wasted on F35 by the time they call an election. Thank god the Duffy trial happened at the start of the election so we're still feeling the effects of it. If it'd happened in April then people would have gotten tired of the news and tuned it out by the time the campaign started.
Apparently in the Globe's world, leaders who win elections immediately resign.
While one can never anticipate the emergence of a particularly charismatic individual, just based on numbers in the various parties' candidate lists, the first non-white PM will almost certainly be Asian.
CitizenVectron
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Yes he did. But for the first term or two it was better than the Liberals. You need constant turnover. And if it's only 2 parties, then there is no penalty for staying corrupt because they all know they'll get back in soon enough. But with a third party alternating, all of the sudden you might not get back in if you're corrupt and disliked.
killer rin
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Well if thats the case, I'd rather have a corrupt progressive guy than a corrupt conservative one... at least one of them is trying to get my vote by giving me things and/or bring society up to where we should be in the 21st century
Already had a black female GG!
Lol, that's literally based on nothing. I can't believe voting for C-51, then having someone close to the party meet with oil companies during the election campaign is being forgiven by "don't worry, once you elect us we'll be different." I get voting Liberal strategically, but at this point in time I can't support them. NDP at least have been laying out their plans and sticking with them. Their campaign is a bit of a mess with half-truths to woo new voters, but their message on policy has been the most consistent.
If Justin Trudeau's brand of Liberals turn out to be great, I'll eat crow and vote for them next election. But my gut feeling is they'll do something deeply anti-populist in their first term.
Ah 'dibs,' one of the oldest and most cherished of political principles.
it's right up there with no takesies backsies
Should make this a world first, a black Muslim female with niqab as head of state
Maybe in the year 2215.
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