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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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308 has edged the Liberal candidate by a sliver in Outremont,

I hope Mulcair loses his seat because I don't want a Vote of No Confidence by the NDP in the House during a Liberal minority government and I want the Liberals (if a minority) to have enough time to govern with the hyper partisan snydeness from Mulcair

And as 308 said RIGHT ON THEIR FRONT PAGE, the Outremont numbers should be taken with a giant grain of salt, because there are no local polls at all. He admits that he is simply pushing down regional swings into every riding without local polls, so they may be totally off.

Also why wouldn't you want Mulcair in Parliament? He has been the single most effective legislator of the past 4 years, regardless of if you agree with his positions. He is amazing in question period and knows his stuff very very well.
 
And as 308 said RIGHT ON THEIR FRONT PAGE, the Outremont numbers should be taken with a giant grain of salt, because there are no local polls at all. He admits that he is simply pushing down regional swings into every riding without local polls, so they may be totally off.

Also why wouldn't you want Mulcair in Parliament? He has been the single most effective legislator of the past 4 years, regardless of if you agree with his positions. He is amazing in question period and knows his stuff very very well.

because he is a partisan hack and he even conspired with the Conservatives to weaken the Liberals to create a Right vs Left two party state without a Liberal Party

During the debates on the debates, Mulcair said that he would not show up in debates where Stephen Harper is not present..
 
I wonder if people will fall for this ad... or will they put the two together and notice that it is the big wig who owns this paper that is more terrified by a Liberal government
 

Pedrito

Member
If Postmedia didn't own 75% of print media in the country, I could see this charade backfiring in a major way, i.e. journalists resigning and clients cancelling their subscription. Alas...
 

maharg

idspispopd
because he is a partisan hack and he even conspired with the Conservatives to weaken the Liberals to create a Right vs Left two party state without a Liberal Party

Wait, I thought he was pushing the NDP to the centre to shove the Liberals out of the way?

Man, Mulcair is a magic man.

Conrad Black endorsed Trudeau? Ick.
 
Not an ad. It was part of a Wall Street journal story.

Like there's a difference any more.

so I'm an American, are the liberals going to hold the lead and win?

What does this mean for policy for Canada for the next (four years?)

It's going to be close, most likely. The Conservatives have very strong organizations at the electoral district level, so it's hard to tell if the Liberals will be able to match them there.

As for what would change...the tone, mostly. Our two countries tend to get along better when it's a Liberal/Democratic or Republican/Conservatives combo, and less well when you have different combinations (i.e. Clinton and Chretien, and Reagan and Mulroney got along really well; Chretien and Bush or Nixon and Trudeau were pretty antagonistic towards each other). This Trudeau has campaigned on improving our relationship with the United States, which is currently so bad that Harper claimed at a debate that he got along with Obama fine, and everyone laughed.

Policy-wise, though, there are still some irritants. There are a few trade disagreements that aren't likely to go away no matter who's in power -- not just TPP (which, realistically, probably won't be an issue post-election), but also things like Country of Origin Labeling and softwood lumber. Beyond that, drug policy may become an issue, if we legalize pot and the US doesn't (even if the US is moving the same way, I doubt border guards will be so welcoming). The big thing will be the dollar -- if ours stays low, that means fewer Canadian tourists, and less importing of US goods. I think those will be issues no matter who's in power, so hopefully Trudeau is able to smooth things out a little.

On the bright side, pipelines will probably be de-emphasized (unless Transcanada ends up suing over Keystone via NAFTA), and we'll probably be a little more in sync on climate change policy.
 
because he is a partisan hack and he even conspired with the Conservatives to weaken the Liberals to create a Right vs Left two party state without a Liberal Party

During the debates on the debates, Mulcair said that he would not show up in debates where Stephen Harper is not present..

So in other words you didn't like him during the election...now what about his record in Parliament?
 

Sean C

Member
Imagine that, a political party wants to win. How partisan.
Yeah, that's the name of the game.

I rather doubt Mulcair will lose, and I don't think he deserves to. I'm not sure whether he won't get his back filled with knives if he takes the party from second to third, but that's a different story.
 
Imagine that, a political party wants to win. How partisan.

Haha, exactly. Each party wishes that the others would collapse and it would create a thousand-year reign for the remaining one. That does not make them evil, it means they want to be in power. Does anyone here honestly think Trudeau wants power out of pure goodness? No, he wants to mold the country in his image, like all the others.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Haha, exactly. Each party wishes that the others would collapse and it would create a thousand-year reign for the remaining one. That does not make them evil, it means they want to be in power. Does anyone here honestly think Trudeau wants power out of pure goodness? No, he wants to mold the country in his image, like all the others.

I mean really, it's all about hopping on the boat of guy who will convenience you the most, social and material wise.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Haha, exactly. Each party wishes that the others would collapse and it would create a thousand-year reign for the remaining one. That does not make them evil, it means they want to be in power. Does anyone here honestly think Trudeau wants power out of pure goodness? No, he wants to mold the country in his image, like all the others.

Nah man, Trudeau's all like "I didn't want a lot of seats in Quebec anyways. Mulcair can have them. I'm such a nice guy. When are we going to that rally in Outremont again?"

He's a sainted child of a sainted man. Too good for this world. Not a partisan bone in his body.
 
Is he trying to create a Left vs. Right Canada or trying to occupy the centre? These are different goals.

But let's be real, your definition of "partisan" is "doesn't like PET."

You can be "centrist" and still partisan.

I don't think that Mulcair is very partisan though, not nearly in the way that Harper has shaped the Conservatives and their base.
 

Tiktaalik

Member
Don't worry, their print newspapers. Nobody will read them.


Simultaneously, this makes me sad as someone who does journalism.


Yeah I feel bad for the good journalists in the trenches putting in the hours to write good stories for these scummy newspaper owners.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I think advertorial-style advertisement is disgusting and immoral, regardless of content.

I think front-page ads are pathetic, regardless of content.

I hope no one working at any of those publications sleeps well tonight.

(I also worked in print media for 5 years and this is a large part of why I left--so yes, I did put my money where my mouth was).
 

Tiktaalik

Member
Speaking of good reporting despite terrible newspaper ownership, here's a big article about the pivotal three way race that is BC and what issues are important in the province.

A bit too long to post in its entirety but well worth the read.
B.C. hedges its bets

British Columbia could have clout in Canada’s post-election Parliament if the polls suggesting 11 weeks of campaigning have left the province’s voters split three ways hold fast in Monday’s vote.

British Columbia appears poised to hedge its bets and elect healthy contingents of Conservatives, Liberals and New Democrats. Observers say such a result in the province, which in the recent past was largely split between the NDP and Conservatives, could be key to determining the outcome.

Political scientist Paul Fairie, who has designed The Globe and Mail’s Election Forecast, said the campaign is ending with B.C. as the closest three-way race in Canada, with each of the three main parties near 30 per cent. “It’s genuinely hard to say who is going to come in first, second or third,” Mr. Fairie said.

Given that the leaders of the Liberals and the NDP have declared they would not prop up the Conservatives if they do not win another majority, the minority government that seems like a probable outcome of that declaration would include many B.C. MPs.

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Related: There's a Mulcair rally at the convention centre at 12:30 so if you've ever wanted to hear him speak and you're in the area now is your chance.
 
Can you imagine working for the vancouver sun and not being a conservative. That frontpage must really rub you the wrong way for like 12 different reasons lol.
 

GG-Duo

Member
Vancouver Sun also ran a series on "homegrown terror" a few weeks ago, which I view as too much of a coincidence in timing with Harper's tough guy platform.

Really not a fan of that paper.
 
The Canadian media is a fucking joke

After 11 weeks, something we can agree on 100%! :)

Though still branded as separate from the other Sun papers, Postmedia purchased Sun Media's English properties earlier this year so it's all under one roof.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...media-deal-officially-closes/article23895298/

Yes, but the Vancouver Sun was never part of the Sun Media chain. It was the relatively reputable broadsheet paper in Vancouver that just happened to share a name with the tabloids in Calgary/Toronto/Ottawa/Winnipeg/Edmonton, but it predated them all by several decades. While the front page of the Postmedia papers today is appalling, they'd still never do something like this (yet):

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Firestorm

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Yes, but the Vancouver Sun was never part of the Sun Media chain. It was the relatively reputable broadsheet paper in Vancouver that just happened to share a name with the tabloids in Calgary/Toronto/Ottawa/Winnipeg/Edmonton, but it predated them all by several decades. While the front page of the Postmedia papers today is appalling, they'd still never do something like this (yet):
Yeah, I know that. I live in Vancouver and always had to give the explanation to those who thought our Sun was the same as others. Just wanted to bring up that they are currently under the same ownership because somehow we decided more concentrated media ownership was the play in a country that already probably leads the world in that regard.
 
Yeah, I know that. I live in Vancouver and always had to give the explanation to those who thought our Sun was the same as others. Just wanted to bring up that they are currently under the same ownership because somehow we decided more concentrated media ownership was the play in a country that already probably leads the world in that regard.

Ah, gotcha.


So, after 75 gruelling days on the campaign trail, has Thomas Mulcair learned how to smile at people in a way that doesn't look creepy or terrifying?


...

Yikes.
 

Pedrito

Member
The best thing about all of this is that if/when the Cons lose on monday, their supporters will whine and whine and whine some more about the liberal media/media party/"presstitutes"/etc.
 
We get the Vancouver Sun at this house, though I haven't read it for a few years. I used to read it daily... over the past two decades.

This is the first time I've ever seen it with a paid ad encompassing the entire front page. It's probably happened before, but I can't remember a time when.
 
The (Toronto) Sun is desperate for money. They give away newspapers for free so ads are really all they have. I remember they did an NDP front-cover ad in the provincial elections last year as well.

edit: nevermind, that was metro. Well, same reason really, they give away newspapers for free.
 

mo60

Member
I bet you gutter_trash will be not that happy if mulcair wins his seat. I think he's okay and I kinda like him as the leader of the NDP. Anyway I wonder if any of the parties especially the ndp and conservatives will be able to do better than expected on monday.
 

SickBoy

Member
Vancouver Sun also ran a series on "homegrown terror" a few weeks ago, which I view as too much of a coincidence in timing with Harper's tough guy platform.

Really not a fan of that paper.

I didn't read the entire series (it ran nationwide, I believe) but I read some of it.

While it may look Harper-y, I got the sense that it's biggest pro-Tory bent came from the acknowledgement that terror exists, and perhaps inflating the issue. But there was definitely an undercurrent in what I did read that seemed to suggest the Tory hard-line wasn't exactly working great.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
My goodness at that Toronto Sun front page. I have never seen the Vancouver Sun dip tp such a low quality as that. I pretty much read a bit of the headline almost daily and they're usually quite informative. That Toronto Sun headline is terrible...
 

Apathy

Member
After 11 weeks, something we can agree on 100%! :)



Yes, but the Vancouver Sun was never part of the Sun Media chain. It was the relatively reputable broadsheet paper in Vancouver that just happened to share a name with the tabloids in Calgary/Toronto/Ottawa/Winnipeg/Edmonton, but it predated them all by several decades. While the front page of the Postmedia papers today is appalling, they'd still never do something like this (yet):

to be fair, if they did that to the front page, it would make more people vote for the libs.

"are you fucking kidding me, the libs have unicorns!"
 

UberTag

Member
I wonder how many young Canadians hoping to be aspiring journalists have second-guessed their career path over the past three months.
I would imagine a LOT of them have. Unless they're perfectly comfortable with compromising their integrity and being a shill.

Canadian newspapers are behaving like dinosaurs seeing the meteor poised to collide with the Earth to wipe out their entire species.
 

Switch Back 9

a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I'm thinking I need a break from social media for a while. 95% of my friends are fairly intelligent, informed people, but there's a handful over the last few days that are showing themselves to be the total opposite.

It's just making me madder and madder. Girl I went to high-school with posted a clearly biased, no substance fluff piece from the Sun yesterday about Trudeau. I called her out on it, asking her what policies and ideals of the Conservatives she supported, and I got the "It's just my opinion, I'm entitled to it." Upon pressing her further, in a calm and friendly matter, to explain why she felt this way, she got all defensive and dismissive about "not wanting to debate things on Facebook etc.." despite posting an political article. The circle jerk of likes on her non-response just filled me with rage.

I don't care who you vote for if you can back it up, but if you post something and won't defend any of the details outside "it's my opinion wahh" then fuck you.
 
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