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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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gutter_trash

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Lebon14 said:
He wants his message to get there straight and clear and don't have the media try to make him say something he'll regret. Which is a good move, imo.



HAHAHA! Wow. We learn something everyday.

I agree on the Montreal events & stance. I remember once that Laval (was it? I don't exactly remember) tried to get federal funding for a stade (not a huge one) but were denied. Weeks later, somewhere in Alberta, they asked funds for one and got accepted... That was a thing.
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instead of being the Prime Minister of all Canadians, Harper was the Prime Minister of Conservative voters only.

The amount of times he want to kiss the mayor of Quebec City's ass (Regis) just because Conservative support was still strong in the Quebec City area speaks louder than words then the amount of times Harper gave a fuck for the bigger economic motor that is Montreal.

SRG01 said:
How is 44% even possible?

Edit: oh shit I totally misread lol
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me too
 
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Lebon14

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gutter_trash said:
instead of being the Prime Minister of all Canadians, Harper was the Prime Minister of Conservative voters only.

The amount of times he want to kiss the mayor of Quebec City's ass (Regis) just because Conservative support was still strong in the Quebec City area speaks louder than words then the amount of times Harper gave a fuck for the bigger economic motor that is Montreal.
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Agreed.
 
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Sibylus

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Surprised gutter didn't post a photo of Mulcair and his son.

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DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
Did harper ever commit any funds for Toronto infrastructure during his tenure? The only thing I saw was for smart track which was just a poor mans GO RER

Basically only provincial government has been helping with TOs massive transit issues which are becoming more painful with growth of 100,000 people per year in the region
 
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Walpurgis

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How long will it be until we get high speed bullet trains in all of our cities and connecting the country like Japan? I'm sick of hearing this "improve rapid transit" bullshit in Winnipeg. This is the coldest city in the country. We need trains!
 
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matthewwhatever

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TheGreatPotato said:
No way the party would let him stay, the knives are already coming out. They are losing primarily because of him, not their platform.
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And yet I think they'd be performing a lot worse without him. For whatever reason, a lot of voters trust him. The next CPC leader will have an uphill battle ahead of them in defining him/herself, and I don't think the next campaign -- whenever it is -- will be long enough for a new leader to make Canadians comfortable with whoever it ends up being.

gutter_trash said:
I think the 2 major differences between UK vs Canada is that the SNP of today is what the Bloc was at its strongest. The Bloc of today has lost lots of its luster, while Scotland is currently living their Bloc moment with the SNP

Dem-Libs in the UK have been weak for a long time, for a several generations the Dem-Libs have been in 3rd place with no chance of retaking 2nd.

Dem-Libs were the bigger losers coming out of the coalitions with Cameron while the latter campaign for stability and Dem-Libs got wiped off to benefit the Conservatives

As for the Liberals in Canada have historically always been in either 1st or 2nd place with the exception of 2011; the NDP has not been able the keep hold of 2nd place for 2015 while the Liberals see themselves repair and fix the problems they underwent for the last 3 campaigns.


*the perils of coalition governments is that the weaker party ends up being a temporary crutch propping up a coalition while the bigger party takes all the credit for anything positive
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Woah...Gutter made a substantive post that addressed a question directly, didn't have any weird detours, and gave strong analysis. Why can't we have more of this Gutter?

Walpurgis said:
How long will it be until we get high speed bullet trains in all of our cities and connecting the country like Japan? I'm sick of hearing this "improve rapid transit" bullshit in Winnipeg. This is the coldest city in the country. We need trains!
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Probably not any time soon. Better transit would be great, but our country is too big for those trains to be realistic.
 
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killer rin

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Walpurgis said:
How long will it be until we get high speed bullet trains in all of our cities and connecting the country like Japan? I'm sick of hearing this "improve rapid transit" bullshit in Winnipeg. This is the coldest city in the country. We need trains!
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Ontario is currently planning to build one between Windsor and Quebec City (or atleast to the border of quebec, where they would presumably take over). Its currently in an enviromental assessment and would start being built by ~2017... Of course, this plan pretty much will only go through if either the Ontario Liberals stay in power or the Ontario NDP wins after next election.

If the Ontario Conservatives get in, that plan is as good as dead, especially since it was the Conservatives which basically cancelled Transit City and ordered them to fill in the holes
 
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gutter_trash

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matthewwhatever said:
And yet I think they'd be performing a lot worse without him. For whatever reason, a lot of voters trust him. The next CPC leader will have an uphill battle ahead of them in defining him/herself, and I don't think the next campaign -- whenever it is -- will be long enough for a new leader to make Canadians comfortable with whoever it ends up being.



Woah...Gutter made a substantive post that addressed a question directly, didn't have any weird detours, and gave strong analysis. Why can't we have more of this Gutter?



Probably not any time soon. Better transit would be great, but our country is too big for those trains to be realistic.
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I just noticed that I made loads of grammatical errors and badly conjugated verbs and too many ''s'' at the wrong places

that's why happens when I GAF on mobile having breakfast at 3PM

it's easier to be calmer about other countries' politics than our own. It's like sports.

When two teams play that you are not a fan of, you sit there analyzing it calmly.

But when you are a fan of a team and they are playing a tight game where anything can happen, that is when we lose our minds.
 
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Ricker

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You blew it Mulcair...according to a survey in the Journal de Montreal,Trudeau might actually win this...damn...

And whats this I read about a coalition...? wut...? (politics isnt really my cup of tea lol)
 
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Yawnier

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I honestly wasn't going to vote initially, but ended up having a change of thought over the last few weeks (even though I'm in a very dominant conservative riding)... I went to that strategic voting website and found out that I should vote NDP, so that is what probably what I'll be doing tmw.

This is my first election where I can vote, and so I hope to see other young voters getting out and voting tomorrow.
 
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TheRealTalker

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Ricker said:
You blew it Mulcair...according to a survey in the Journal de Montreal,Trudeau might actually win this...damn...
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yup... I know a bunch of people who voted for Liberal in the early polling but wanted liked NDP more


all of them (myself included) just don't want to take chances and split the vote (since the liberals have a bette chance in are ridings) so we will all go for a liberal government and later might (if the liberals aren't up to snuff) vote NDP in the next election when we have a new electoral system that is more fair
 
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Sakura

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Walpurgis said:
How long will it be until we get high speed bullet trains in all of our cities and connecting the country like Japan? I'm sick of hearing this "improve rapid transit" bullshit in Winnipeg. This is the coldest city in the country. We need trains!
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Across Canada? Never.
The reason Japan can afford it, is because large population and land smaller than the province of BC.
And either way it would be faster and cheaper to just fly to Winnipeg from another major city than take a bullet train.
 
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poodpick

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Sakura said:
Across Canada? Never.
The reason Japan can afford it, is because large population and land smaller than the province of BC.
And either way it would be faster and cheaper to just fly to Winnipeg from another major city than take a bullet train.
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A high speed corridor from Windsor to Ottawa and maybe even till QC would be amazing.
 
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DopeyFish

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Sakura said:
Across Canada? Never.
The reason Japan can afford it, is because large population and land smaller than the province of BC.
And either way it would be faster and cheaper to just fly to Winnipeg from another major city than take a bullet train.
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more like smaller than newfoundland (which it is)
 
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TheRealTalker

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I don't see why we can't do it for certain cities

I also don't see why we can't modernize and urbanize our cities so that public transport is more convenient then cars


All these other nations around the world are future proofing their transportation infrastructure we need to do the same
 
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Sakura

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DopeyFish said:
more like smaller than newfoundland (which it is)
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Yea, I was just saying BC because it's where I live :)

TheRealTalker said:
I don't see why we can't do it for certain cities

I also don't see why we can't modernize and urbanize our cities so that public transport is more convenient then cars


All these other nations around the world are future proofing their transportation infrastructure we need to do the same
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It's just not realistic.
How would we afford it? I think people underestimate the size of Canada. The country of France for example, is smaller than BC. The UK and republic of Ireland is smaller than BC. Yet BC has less than 5 million people. How would building a bullet train system across such large swaths of land be affordable?
Maybe between large cities a small distance apart sure, but with our current population size I just don't see it happening.

Though I do agree current transit systems for cities could use an upgrade.
The last time I was down in Vancouver they still didn't even have fucking ticket gates. Or they did, but they didn't actually do anything.
 
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gutter_trash

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Walpurgis said:
How can you see your riding? The closest that it lets me see is the amount of seats for SK/MB. I want to see if my riding is trending blue.
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http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/canada.html
Sakura said:
Yea, I was just saying BC because it's where I live :)



It's just not realistic.
How would we afford it? I think people underestimate the size of Canada. The country of France for example, is smaller than BC. The UK and republic of Ireland is smaller than BC. Yet BC has less than 5 million people. How would building a bullet train system across such large swaths of land be affordable?
Maybe between large cities a small distance apart sure, but with our current population size I just don't see it happening.
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Cross Canada maybe not but we could do it for different regions from City to City.

Like South Ontario is a big slab of overpopulted concrete. That is one part of the country that could have it from city to city then link it up to Kingston then to Ottawa.
You could have a V shaped one in Ontario from Windsor that goes to London to Waterloo to Toronto. Then have one from Niagara, Hamilton, Missaussausuga to TO.

then from Ottawa link it up Montreal link it up to Quebec City
 
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DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
TheRealTalker said:
I don't see why we can't do it for certain cities

I also don't see why we can't modernize and urbanize our cities so that public transport is more convenient then cars


All these other nations around the world are future proofing their transportation infrastructure we need to do the same
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Think about this for a moment... just to realize how much you'd need to build.

Toronto is the closest city to having a mass transit city and even with the sheer amount of mass transit projects going on in the GTA, they still can't keep up with the population increases.
 
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Lebon14

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@The Power Of Snap: It's only a matter of time before the Bloc completely disappears.

Either way, while I was in the shower earlier, I remembered this documentary about some western group in the prairies who wanted the west to split from the east. There was quite a bit of propaganda in there but the cherry on the sundae was the ending. The thing that threw the whole documentary appart... They said something along those lines: "Oh, since Harper took power, I guess we won't need to split-up".

Such B.S but it still got me to daydream (in the shower) about such possibility of this small group to rise-up and gain popularity if Harper loses. Chances are next to none. But still.

Oh and that documentary was on "Canal D" here in Quebec if I remember right.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
I'm gonna make a riding prediction, and I'm daring to bet that the CPC actually *under*performs:

LPC 142
CPC 110
NDP 80
BQ 4
GRN 2
 
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sikkinixx

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TheRealTalker said:
yup... I know a bunch of people who voted for Liberal in the early polling but wanted liked NDP more


all of them (myself included) just don't want to take chances and split the vote (since the liberals have a bette chance in are ridings) so we will all go for a liberal government and later might (if the liberals aren't up to snuff) vote NDP in the next election when we have a new electoral system that is more fair
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In my riding Cons have won by a huge margin each time, but with Moore stepping down their support has dropped a bit and NDP looked like they might have a chance a few weeks ago.

But now it's even closer between the three parties (latest just now shows NDP ahead by a couple points) but I voted Liberal betting that the new found wave of support will push them up. Might have been a mistake not to go NDP so I'm sweating it a bit. Having to advance vote threw me off.

Plus I really dislike Mulcair so I'm hoping the Libs can win both here and federally.
 
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mo60

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maharg said:
I'm gonna make a riding prediction, and I'm daring to bet that the CPC actually *under*performs:

LPC 142
CPC 110
NDP 80
BQ 4
GRN 2
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I have a funny feeling the bloc will do better than expected, but If the CPC do worse or the liberals and CPC are closer to each other(like around 120-130 seats each) the ndp can possibly get at least a dozen or more seats than projected in some seat projections.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
Kinitari said:
Is it because you think the strategic voting initiative isn't being well represented in polling?
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No. I think riding level strategic voting is snake oil, for the most part. I actually expect a lot of ridings in the middle part of Canada that were promising takes for the NDP to go CPC because of vote splits because of it now.

I think CPC efficiency when they're down ~8 points will work against them. In the most vote rich parts of the country their vote will be spread out allowing NDP and Liberal seats to squeak by. I also just think the Liberal vote, particularly in Ontario, will be more motivated on election day.
 
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firehawk12

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I think it'd be 130/120 LPC... or at least a bit closer than we think.

Presumably both parties will be looking for new leaders though, which should make the first couple of years for the LPC a cakewalk.
 
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Tiktaalik

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Interesting latest The Strategists podcast. They had the CEO of Mainstreet on to explain his "Liberals headed for a majority" claim he tweeted out earlier. He said there are a handful of "anyone could win" 4 way races in Quebec that he'd be looking for as an early indicator. If the Liberals win those then it's indicative of Liberal strength and he thinks they'll do very well and get a majority. He singled out Shefford as one. I haven't been following Quebec local riding polling to know what the other few he might be thinking of.
 
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