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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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Walpurgis

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maharg said:
I don't know the details, but that's not exactly impossible. Unemployment figures don't generally include people who aren't actively looking for work (both people who are discouraged and stopped looking and people who wouldn't be looking anyways).
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University students would make up a large portion of that population.
 
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Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
DopeyFish said:
problem with hudak's campaign is he was saying he'd add more jobs than the amount of unemployed people (which is less than 600,000)
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No the problem is when you pledge to eliminate 100k government jobs, you are making the entire public work force your enemy. No, you are making them, and all their families and friends your enemy. You are literally sabotaging yourself by doing so.
 
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Morrigan Stark

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Megasoum said:
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I posted that a while back. Man, does this mean he'll be PM for at least 12 years? xD
 
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DopeyFish

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maharg said:
I don't know the details, but that's not exactly impossible. Unemployment figures don't generally include people who aren't actively looking for work (both people who are discouraged and stopped looking and people who wouldn't be looking anyways).
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there's also another issue.... the boomers are going to start retiring soon... which means we're going to need young to fill that gap... considering our lowish birth rate... we are going to have a crisis on our hands due to lack of available workers.

so a million jobs is nuts. we are about to start increasing immigration JUST to help our economy
 
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Cake Boss

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My director came back from a meeting with the other directors in this department, I overheard his convo with my manager, apparently one of the directors went nuts on another one claiming he doesn't support Israel because he voted liberal lol. Apparently the meeting got really hostile.

Love me some old stock salt.
 
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linkboy

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Apathy said:
I still find it funny he would support a man who would have taken away his right to vote in the next election. Hopefully the libs fix it and expats can continue to vote as they should.
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I'm in Korea (U.S. military) and I know a lot of Canadian expats.

Blew my mind when I heard they weren't able to vote.
 
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Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
Just in case people missed it last night, but here is the Rebel (ex Sun News) coverage.

It should be experienced for its amazingly shitty looking production values and green screen, and the mountains of salt. Especially this part:

https://youtu.be/V1GdlZCZE7Q?t=4577

The salty tears are glorious
 
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Walpurgis

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Cake Boss said:
My director came back from a meeting with the other directors in this department, I overheard his convo with my manager, apparently one of the directors went nuts on another one claiming he doesn't support Israel because he voted liberal lol. Apparently the meeting got really hostile.

Love me some old stock salt.
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Speaking of which, where does Trudeau stand on Israel? I know that Mulcair is in love and we all know about Harper. I feel like the Liberals would worship Israel since they're in the "centre" but it seems uncharacteristic of Trudeau. It doesn't seem like him at all.
Divvy said:
Just in case people missed it last night, but here is the Rebel (ex Sun News) coverage.

It should be experienced for its amazingly shitty looking production values and green screen, and the mountains of salt. Especially this part:

https://youtu.be/V1GdlZCZE7Q?t=4577

The salty tears are glorious
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"I think people were voting for a boyfriend."
Oh my god! I'm dying!!!!
 
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maharg

idspispopd
wachie said:
Any breakdown of what percentage was youth, male/female etc.
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As in the breakdown of what demographics voted for what? I would be a little disturbed if they were tracking that level of personal information directly to your vote.

Just look at the polls done right before the election, that should give you a pretty good idea.
 
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Perfect Blue

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maharg said:
No. You don't even technically need a seat in parliament to be PM. The leader of the party is not a position in parliament (although, as Sean C pointed out like a hundred pages ago, if the leader isn't in the house someone is appointed as the "leader in the house").

Jack Layton spent a year and a half outside parliament before he won his seat after winning the leadership. Gilles Duceppe hasn't had a seat since 2011 and is still the leader of the Bloc (though he wasn't for a while in the middle of that).
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Interesting. Did not know that! Thanks!
 
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You Are Viewtiful

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Sch1sm said:
It's inevitable. They'll still talk shit for those 5 seats. People always find a reason. :p
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Every province gets shit on eventually lol.

maharg said:
As in the breakdown of what demographics voted for what? I would be a little disturbed if they were tracking that level of personal information directly to your vote.

Just look at the polls done right before the election, that should give you a pretty good idea.
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I believe they still do a breakdown for age and gender - whatever's on the official elector's roll. Not race or country of origin though.
 
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Azzanadra

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After all is said and done, what a night it had been! The NDP loss isn't as bad to me now, considering the Liberals in 2011 and heck, even the Conservatives lost MORE seats than the NDP this election. The concession speeches IMO were all great. Mulcair almost made me cry, felt like giving him a hug or something :(

I also thought, despite his bad rep, Harper was respectful in his speech and honorably stepped down as leader of the CPC.

That's the most amount of respect I have managed to muster for him ever, so its got to mean something. Its weird, after all the (admittedly toxic) hate we had harbored towards him, I don't think I actually hate him at all now. I think Mulcair said it best that while he does not agree with his politics and policies, he thanks him for his service to Canada.

I'm glad Mulcair is staying on as leader, I think the in-and-out style Leadership of the LPC should be avoided.

Good luck to our new Prime Minister though, and I hope he can make Canada whole again.
 
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wachie

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maharg said:
As in the breakdown of what demographics voted for what? I would be a little disturbed if they were tracking that level of personal information directly to your vote.

Just look at the polls done right before the election, that should give you a pretty good idea.
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No, not interested in how they voted.

Just the turn out, it'd be interesting if more youth showed up in this election compared to last or if it was the old folks.

You Are Viewtiful said:
Final map?

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Beautiful. Coming from this

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That consistency from May.
 
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Walpurgis

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Sch1sm said:
It's inevitable. They'll still talk shit for those 5 seats. People always find a reason. :p
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The funny part is that half the ridings in Manitoba are rural. If the CPC won half of the ridings, that would still mean nothing to the experience of most people who are thinking of visiting or whatever. I don't like the ignorant hate.
Azzanadra said:
After all is said and done, what a night it had been! The NDP loss isn't as bad to me now, considering the Liberals in 2011 and heck, even the Conservatives lost MORE seats than the NDP this election. The concession speeches IMO were all great. Mulcair almost made me cry, felt like giving him a hug or something :(

I also thought, despite his bad rep, Harper was respectful in his speech and honorably stepped down as leader of the CPC.

That's the most amount of respect I have managed to muster for him ever, so its got to mean something. Its weird, after all the (admittedly toxic) hate we had harbored towards him, I don't think I actually hate him at all now. I think Mulcair said it best that while he does not agree with his politics and policies, he thanks him for his service to Canada.

I'm glad Mulcair is staying on as leader, I think the in-and-out style Leadership of the LPC should be avoided.

Good luck to our new Prime Minister though, and I hope he can make Canada whole again.
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Nah, I still hate that bastard.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
Walpurgis said:
The funny part is that half the ridings in Manitoba are rural. If the CPC won half of the ridings, that would still mean nothing to the experience of most people who are thinking of visiting or whatever. I don't like the ignorant hate.
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Don't backpile it on the rest of the prairies either, then, because that doesn't help. I have an extremely progressive mayor, my city was gleefully swept by the NDP in the last provincial election, and we just elected three non-CPC members in our denser ridings.

We're working on it too.
 
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You Are Viewtiful

Member
Azzanadra said:
After all is said and done, what a night it had been! The NDP loss isn't as bad to me now, considering the Liberals in 2011 and heck, even the Conservatives lost MORE seats than the NDP this election. The concession speeches IMO were all great. Mulcair almost made me cry, felt like giving him a hug or something :(

I also thought, despite his bad rep, Harper was respectful in his speech and honorably stepped down as leader of the CPC.

That's the most amount of respect I have managed to muster for him ever, so its got to mean something. Its weird, after all the (admittedly toxic) hate we had harbored towards him, I don't think I actually hate him at all now. I think Mulcair said it best that while he does not agree with his politics and policies, he thanks him for his service to Canada.

I'm glad Mulcair is staying on as leader, I think the in-and-out style Leadership of the LPC should be avoided.

Good luck to our new Prime Minister though, and I hope he can make Canada whole again.
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He was still in campaign mode while giving a losing speech. He talked about "Canadian values" as if we all shared his shitty values. He kept talking about Canada being in a sea of instability. Fear mongering even post campaign?? Get off the stage! It was an awful speech if you're not Conservative, which is a lot of people.

maharg said:
Don't backpile it on the rest of the prairies either, then, because that doesn't help. I have an extremely progressive mayor, my city was gleefully swept by the NDP in the last provincial election, and we just elected three non-CPC members in our denser ridings.

We're working on it too.
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Hey hey, I chiefly remember you hating on Ontario for voting Conservative last time. You ain't gettin' off the hook that easy.
 
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Walpurgis

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The new House of Commons: More women and aboriginal MPs
The 43rd Parliament of Canada will contain over 200 new faces, including a record number of aboriginal (10) and female MPs (88).
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Election 2015 was historic for a number of reasons, not least because it ushered in the highest number of female MPs ever. In total, 88 women were elected – 50 for the Liberals, 18 for the NDP, 17 for the Conservatives, two for the BQ and one for the Green Party.

That builds on the previous record of 76, which was set in the 2011 election. (Due to byelections, the last Parliament contained 77 women when the writ was dropped on Aug. 2.)

Even so, the advocacy group Equal Voice released a statement saying, "While many voters may have chosen dramatic change to Canada's political landscape last night by electing a majority Liberal government, one thing remained virtually unchanged: the proportion of women who will serve."

Indeed, the 88 women elected on Oct. 19 will still only represent 26 per cent of the total MPs in the House of Commons – almost the exact proportion of female MPs when the election was called on Aug. 2.

The election also garnered a record total of indigenous MPs — 10 in all, from incumbent Romeo Saganash (Abitibi-Baie James-Nunavik-Eeyou) to Robert-Falcon Ouellette (Winnipeg Centre). That figure was up from seven in the 2011 election.

Between the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP and Greens, a total of 54 indigenous candidates ran in this election. That's a 23 per cent increase from 2011, when those parties fielded a combined 31 indigenous candidates.
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Nice to progress on the First Nations front but much more to be done in the women's side.
 
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Walpurgis

Banned
maharg said:
Don't backpile it on the rest of the prairies either, then, because that doesn't help. I have an extremely progressive mayor, my city was gleefully swept by the NDP in the last provincial election, and we just elected three non-CPC members in our denser ridings.

We're working on it too.
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You're right. City ridings represent a lot of seats and are generally Liberal/NDP. People look at Manitoba's Churchill riding for example (which is more than half the province) and go "oh, wow look at all that blue, Manitoba is blue" but it's one riding and only means 1 seat. I imagine, the same is true in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

No one visits these wastelands so they don't matter, only the cities do.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
You Are Viewtiful said:
He was still in campaign mode while giving a losing speech. He talked about "Canadian values" as if we all shared his shitty values. He kept talking about Canada being in a sea of instability. Fear mongering even post campaign?? Get off the stage! It was an awful speech if you're not Conservative, which is a lot of people.



Hey hey, I chiefly remember you hating on Ontario for voting Conservative last time. You ain't gettin' off the hook that easy.
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I also 'hate' on them this time for swinging Liberal, so I don't think that's really the same thing. I'm all about the outcomes, and Ontario has probably defeated my main concern twice in a row now (PR).

Walpurgis said:
The new House of Commons: More women and aboriginal MPs


Nice to progress on the First Nations front but much more to be done in the women's side.
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Honestly it galls me a little bit that the Liberals get credit for this when an NDP win of similar magnitude would have produced quite a few more of both, most likely. The NDP has put a huge amount of effort over the last decade into getting a more representative slate.
 
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