So, we shouldn't discuss things that the Prime Minister has decided? Is that what you're trying to say?
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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So, we shouldn't discuss things that the Prime Minister has decided? Is that what you're trying to say?
gutter_trash
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This is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
perfect
matthewwhatever
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Tangential to the discussion: a reminder that any time Harper talks about making Canada more secure, he's lying:
Also, if this morning's Nanos poll wasn't enough to convince you that the Conservative campaign is going badly, this opinion piece from the Toronto Star this morning should do it:
That's from Michael Coren. The same Michael Coren who was a host on the Sun News Network from 2011 to 2015. The same Michael Coren who wrote an entire book about how evil Islam is. The same Michael Coren who wrote an article for the Toronto Sun advocating for "tactical nuclear strikes against Iran".
If Harper has really lost him, that can't bode well.
Also, if this morning's Nanos poll wasn't enough to convince you that the Conservative campaign is going badly, this opinion piece from the Toronto Star this morning should do it:
That's from Michael Coren. The same Michael Coren who was a host on the Sun News Network from 2011 to 2015. The same Michael Coren who wrote an entire book about how evil Islam is. The same Michael Coren who wrote an article for the Toronto Sun advocating for "tactical nuclear strikes against Iran".
If Harper has really lost him, that can't bode well.
Nope, but the issue was given some thought and rejected. Don't worry though, there will be some new tragedy overseas that is somehow Canada's problem and Harper's fault for all the bleeding hearts to cry about eventually. I just think if you want to feel like some humanitarian, you need not look further than your own community. Everywhere I've been in Canada has some form of need or poverty that needs to be addressed. I'm sorry I care about Canadians, first and foremost, specifically when we pay so much tax. Fuck me for not wanting my money to help those in my community and not those in a perpetual warzone.
From that article Coren stopped being a social conservative 18 months ago. So he stopped being a part of the Harper demographic at that point.
What I'm heartened by is apparently a large number of Conservative voters have been disgusted at Harper's stubbornness over Syrian refugees and that's caused a lot of the recent erosion of Conservative support. Now that's the Canada I remember.
Edit: Again Willectro? You don't like fiscally progressive politics either. You know the policies that would help the people in poverty in your community?
What I'm heartened by is apparently a large number of Conservative voters have been disgusted at Harper's stubbornness over Syrian refugees and that's caused a lot of the recent erosion of Conservative support. Now that's the Canada I remember.
Edit: Again Willectro? You don't like fiscally progressive politics either. You know the policies that would help the people in poverty in your community?
I saw some gaffer saying the same thing in the Canafian bank thread yesterday. Some people don't understand that bad policy can lead to needless deaths.
We can discuss how bad of a decision it is, for one.
LMAOThis is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
Buba Big Guns
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Yup, it's good to see people like Willectro are in the minority. Canada should be at the forefront of aid, not sitting back like douchebags and dragging our feet. We're part of an international community and as one of the richest and largest nations in the world, we have to be a leader in helping the less (much less) fortunate.
Morrigan Stark
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Damn:
What is this? An... actual Christian? As in, following the teachings and principles of... Jesus Christ? Someone help me, I don't think I understand. I thought Christianity was about the poor being entitled, lazy moochers, the wealthy being hard workers and job creators, about shaming sexuality and harassing those different than oneself, and really really liking guns and war. xD
You would rather help a homeless person in your city (who already has access to some helpful services) than a family under threat of being tortured and killed by sarin gas? Huh.
Aside from the fact that one group is clearly in much more need than the other, there is an option to help both. I'm sure you knew that though.
This is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
oh my god, rofl
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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When I read willectro's posts with Rob Ford's voice, it all makes
sense.
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I'm 100% voting for Trudeau to be clear, but you're right, my opinion does sway.
I don't support lazy people in my community, if that's what you are referring to. Drunk and lazy isn't a disease, in my opinion. I have no problem helping any Canadian families get on their feet. But if you get caught with liquor or drugs, etc, you're cut off for life. I'm also a huge transit/infrastructure supporter - I'm tired of getting on the 3rd World Toronto Transit in the best country in the world. Transit truly benefits everyone, but is extremely costly.
I would concede that Canada needs clear and simple immigration and refugee standards so that the Prime Minister isn't the jackass when we don't answer each and every request for help.
Edit:
How is Canada going to help every single person in need worldwide? Syria is just the flavour of the month because it's sensational. You gonna leave North Korea high and dry? Lots of suffering there too.
Nice dodge. Even if there wasn't an election, we would still be talking about the refugee crisis. Just like Iran's nuclear efforts or Russia's annexation of Crimea, which have fuck all to do with Canada yet Harper doesn't hesitate to speak out about either. This isn't some small potato issue that's being pulled out just to make Harper look bad. The refugee crisis is big fucking news, we're talking millions of people migrating.
Canada isn't going to help every single person in need worldwide. No one has even suggested that.
Of course we can't help everybody, but we definitely should provide shelter and aid when there is an acute crisis like this one. It's what Canada does. Back in 1986 "the people of Canada" won the Nansen Refugee Award (wiki), which usually goes to an individual and sometimes an organization. It recognized how awesome we, as a people, are for welcoming and supporting refugees.
Perfect Blue
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I'm watching Power & Politics a lot more now because of the election and wow, Rosemary Barton, the new host is fantastic. CBC better keep her there full-time.
I don't know why you guys are seriously arguing with Willectro.
I did that once and it resulted in him advocating for a fenced in ghetto outside of Toronto for "losers/welfarites/addicts/homeless"
I did that once and it resulted in him advocating for a fenced in ghetto outside of Toronto for "losers/welfarites/addicts/homeless"
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Holy shit.
matthewwhatever
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Reminder: he wrote and published a book on the evils of Islam in 2013, and he only left the Sun News Network because it went out of business. He was a mainstay of Christian TV for a decade before he went to Fox News North. Sure, he came around on marriage equality, but that was ten years after everyone else; it means he only became slightly less bigoted. When someone like that is publicly saying they can't vote Conservative, you have to figure some portion of the CPC base listens.
So you're the Prime Minister, where do you draw the line?
Don't worry, in Toronto the condos and city council already have set the wheels in motion to make this happen. Pretty soon downtown will be million dollar condos, businesses and government. They just aren't as overt about it.
Good job staying on topic though, bud.
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Lol, we've gone through this a million times - the "video" still hasn't surfaced and I doubt it ever will, which is why my I haven't changed the avatar. Ford and The Star have cashed in. Ford ended his term and was never charged. I'd call the guy a lot of things (drunk for sure), but I think you would be assuming he's lazy because of his image.
Preview to the Mulcair interview has been posted on the CBC National youtube page
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJp07qHDjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJp07qHDjg
killer rin
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When does the full video go live? Later tonight?
Prax
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Ooh, excited to watch!
I think Justin Trudeau came off a bit as unprepared or nervous (maybe because he looks so young lol.. his demeanor in general is a bit more young dude in job interview.. >_>), but he's ambitious and it feels like he's willing to work in a team, which would be required.
Harper often comes off as just smugly confident but a liar/slimy to me, and his past record has stained his rep with me forever.
Mulcair seems to have a easier but self-assured presence, so that may attract a lot of confidence in people. Not too sure about the ideas he's putting forth though.
I think Justin Trudeau came off a bit as unprepared or nervous (maybe because he looks so young lol.. his demeanor in general is a bit more young dude in job interview.. >_>), but he's ambitious and it feels like he's willing to work in a team, which would be required.
Harper often comes off as just smugly confident but a liar/slimy to me, and his past record has stained his rep with me forever.
Mulcair seems to have a easier but self-assured presence, so that may attract a lot of confidence in people. Not too sure about the ideas he's putting forth though.
gutter_trash
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Mulcair Senate Mulcair Senate Mulcair Senate
Mulcair likes to talk allot about getting rid of the Senate on the campaign trail but fails to say how he will get around the Constitution or the Provinces to actually get it done.
Ontario, Quebec and the Atlantic Provinces are against losing Senators unless there is something else in return
Mulcair Senate blablablala
Can`t do it without re-opening the Constitution. Does he really want to go there in a minority government situation? and with the probability of re-igniting old fights from the 1980s?
Imagine if this Constitutional mess drags 'till 2018 and then PKP gets into power in Quebec. What a mess
Wait, you seriously don't believe that Rob Ford did crack? What is this "video or gtfo thing" about?
Silver Arrows
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This is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
truly amazing
I don't think you've got much to fear. PKP is a dumbass, he's making so many political mistakes that his party's in the dumps again, even with Couillard trying real hard to make damn sure nobody wants to vote Liberal ever again.
massivekettle
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No. I don't think Trudeau is a good politician (riding his father's legacy) and NDP is propped up because the mainstream media has built this anti-Harper/CPC narrative.
For what I care about, the Tories have my best interests at heart. I don't agree fully with their stance on social issues, but on fiscal/economic issues - which are by far the most important to me - I have more affinities with the CPC.
No. I just have flexibility to choose where I want to become tax resident.
PR will never fly in rural areas. They would be extremely short-sighted to vote for a party that would effectively strip out their voting power.
However, I firmly believe that you have to be tax-resident to vote, though.
killer rin
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As long as its not called through a referendum its guaranteed that PR or Electoral Reform is going to happen whether they want it or not. Every party but the Conservatives support it and want it implemented within 18 months of forming government. When you have that kind of support behind something its not likely that it will fall to the wayside.
... And it couldn't happen any sooner. FPTP is fundamentally broken and needs to be changed
[/dead]This is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
CreeperBlocks
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This is how I imagine all Canadian Conservatives.
LOL.
Shining Sunshine
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Trudeau is just a name that's too inexperienced and NDP is left-wing meh.
Really not much of a race unless NDP miraculously wins a minority.
I lol'd so hard last election when it was called early against the Conservatives and Conservatives won more seats.
Really not much of a race unless NDP miraculously wins a minority.
I lol'd so hard last election when it was called early against the Conservatives and Conservatives won more seats.
gutter_trash
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Rural areas are too over represented and too powerful IMO, a vote from the boonies is worth more than a vote from the city.
Ridings in cities are packed to the brim with people and are less represented.
Ridings in the boonies have less people in them but encompass a larger land mass but in the end, a vote from the boonies is worth more than a vote from the city
Ridings in cities are packed to the brim with people and are less represented.
Ridings in the boonies have less people in them but encompass a larger land mass but in the end, a vote from the boonies is worth more than a vote from the city
gutter_trash
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MPs and ministers use their connections to land jobs after public life, woooo surprised.
IMO, I think this is a non scandal because every party has MPs who does it, the Provincial front is even worse
IMO, I think this is a non scandal because every party has MPs who does it, the Provincial front is even worse
Buba Big Guns
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Are you living under a rock? At least 70% of Canadians want a new government.
matthewwhatever
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I just don't get it. I find him so smug, and his smile is more terrifying than Harper's, which is really saying something.
It's too bad there's not a script that could automatically replace your posts in this thread to "I got mine, so whatever."
They also have an abysmal record on everything fiscal and economic, but that doesn't matter to you, since, again, you have yours, so you can just ignore facts and reason.
So...are you saying the Conservatives are secretly winning, and that we're being lulled into a false sense of security? Because that's an interesting point of view. And I don't know that anyone predicted a Conservative loss early in last election.
killer rin
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Trudeau seems to be showing people that he really can lead the country as the PM now even though I think he needs to improve a bit more and the Liberals seem to be running a way better campaign than the Conservatives. Same with the NDP. Also, the NDP is closer to the center now and are not left wing.
eBay Huckster
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probably because it never actually happened. the most anyone did was speculate on just how huge the "orange crush" would get
He admitted it, but whether he did or didn't was irrelevant. What I didn't like was the lack of due process leading up to him admitting it and people believing that everything the Toronto Star publishes is fact. My avatar refers to the fact that the video has yet to surface for public viewing. I do think it's funny that you can admit to smoking crack, but still not be ejected from office. Ah, the good old days, back when TorontoGAF (who I respect, believe it or not) would get into crazy debates that weren't related to burgers. Out of all the Rob Ford shit, I can honestly say it got me very interested in municipal politics.
I rarely see eye to eye with GAF regarding Canadian politics. I'll probably bow out of this thread until closer to the election (I'm not trying to get the last word either, at all, lmao). Trudeau has a good chance and is the only leader I could support of the front runners. Best of luck to all (except Mulcair).
If it's any small comfort, there's at least one person here that agrees with you.
People seem to have forgotten that the TFSA limit before it was raised to $10,000 was $5,500, not $5000... (in response to Mansbridge's interview with Mulcair).
I'm hoping if it does get rolled back the it'll be made to increase with inflation again...
Also, Mulcair has definitely gone and memorized what the corporate tax rate is, and wants to demonstrate that.
EDIT: Mulcair should maybe not be mentioning the NDP's fiscal track record without specifying that's he talking about provincial NDP governments. Cause without that specification it sounds like BS (The federal NDP has never run a deficit!).
I'm hoping if it does get rolled back the it'll be made to increase with inflation again...
Also, Mulcair has definitely gone and memorized what the corporate tax rate is, and wants to demonstrate that
.EDIT: Mulcair should maybe not be mentioning the NDP's fiscal track record without specifying that's he talking about provincial NDP governments. Cause without that specification it sounds like BS (The federal NDP has never run a deficit!).
Is this data visualization of threehunderedeight's projections new? I don't remember seeing it before.
http://stephenmcmurtry.org/election_map (it's interactive)
(Conservatives only taking 5 seats in BC would be rather surprising)
http://stephenmcmurtry.org/election_map (it's interactive)
(Conservatives only taking 5 seats in BC would be rather surprising)
Is this data visualization of threehunderedeight's projections new? I don't remember seeing it before.
http://stephenmcmurtry.org/election_map (it's interactive)
(Conservatives only taking 5 seats in BC would be rather surprising)
I have a really hard time believing that BC projection. Or the Saskatchewan one for that matter.
killer rin
Member
Is this data visualization of threehunderedeight's projections new? I don't remember seeing it before.
http://stephenmcmurtry.org/election_map (it's interactive)
(Conservatives only taking 5 seats in BC would be rather surprising)
Since you bring it up, just checked the riding estimates on 308 and the Conservatives are in the lead again in my riding by 9% with the closest being NDP and split with the Liberals. God do I hate FPTP
Yes I know its not actual polls. Still sucks to see
matthewwhatever
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Wait, what? Where are you seeing 308's estimates? Right now he's predicting 124 NDP, 117 LPC, 97 CPC, 1 Green.
Yep, he just added it today.
I'm eager for Hill & Knowlton's Election Predictor to make its return. I always sink hours and hours into it, playing around with different numbers.
I just want a few red seats in Calgary. Two seems realistic, three or more would be amazing.
Also, I found my explanation for the Greens promising they'd balance the budget. From a Conservative economist:
Or, to put it another way:
Yep, he just added it today.
I'm eager for Hill & Knowlton's Election Predictor to make its return. I always sink hours and hours into it, playing around with different numbers.
I just want a few red seats in Calgary. Two seems realistic, three or more would be amazing.
Also, I found my explanation for the Greens promising they'd balance the budget. From a Conservative economist:
Or, to put it another way:
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