Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
...except the Liberals got re-elected right after McGuinty. One of these is clearly not like the other. In fact, McGuinty was a damn good premier.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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...except the Liberals got re-elected right after McGuinty. One of these is clearly not like the other. In fact, McGuinty was a damn good premier.
Until the second half of his last term I would agree with you.
I wonder how Harper and his team feel right about the Liberals having a decent chance of forming government after this election. The Liberals going from a distant third last election to possibly first this election must not look good for Harper's team since they have been trying to get rid of the Liberals for years.
Lone_Prodigy
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Image results for "rae day" are... interesting.
pr0cs
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The cons didn't need to get rid of them, the liberals we're more than capable of being their own worst enemies for the last few elections
Yeah, the Liberals look like they are escaping their dark days. I think this is why Trudeau doesn't want PR. I think he would go with a ranked ballot because everyone will have the Liberals on their list as first or second, beginning the Liberal empire.
The cons were helping with this to.
Looks like the conservatives are bringing in or are currently getting help from the Australian campaign strategist Lynton Crosby.
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/for-campaign-magic-harper-turns-to-a-wizard-from-oz/
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/for-campaign-magic-harper-turns-to-a-wizard-from-oz/
If you lived in Southern Ontario and liked gas plant scandals, sure.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Well, I like education and healthcare.
It's as if people had forgotten (or weren't around to remember) how bad things were in the 90s. It's nice not to have teacher strikes every year, and have amongst the best health care metrics in the country (as opposed to the worst).
Hey, I'm all about education and health care too! Why are Northern Ontario's schools severely underfunded? Why is quality health care so sparse in the north? Why do people in Timmins, Kapuskasing, Kirkland Lake, or Cochrane need to drive hours to Sudbury to get adequate cancer treatment? Why is it that Northern Ontario is neglected, except for when Wynne wants to bribe one of her own candidates out of a by-election and commit other shady dealings in favor for a carpetbagger? When she needs to win a seat in the north, she's all about northern culture. Otherwise, she doesn't care. Was the same with McGuinty.
Buba Big Guns
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Not saying they should be neglected in the least, but population size.
Buba Big Guns
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Thats the logical argument. Northern Ontario is a vast area with an extremely low population. Its population density is even lower than Canada's tiny average of 3/km^2. Hell, it's not even 1/km^2 and that's with Sudbury included.
It's clear why the funds would go to more populous areas.
PumpkinSpice
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That's really cool. I'd love to see transit developments happen here in Ottawa without interference from NCC. Maybe we can get part of Confederation Line phase 2 unburied.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Northern Ontario is vast and sparsely populated. The government has set up local clinics to deliver services that are needed regularly such as chemotherapy and dialysis. So yes, you can get cancer and other specialized treatment in those cities. Treatment you could not get before the Liberals came in. However, you're never going to get subspecialized care in centres like Kapuskasing or Kirland Lake. Those centres are simply not big enough to support those services. A radiation oncologist in Kapuskasing might see a handful of patients a year, for example. No radiation oncologist would ever set up shop there for numerous reasons that should be obvious. Same goes for cancer surgeons, neurosurgeons, etc.
Until the technology is there to allow these procedures to be done remotely, you will have to travel into Sudbury of Thunder Bay to get your care for more sub specialized treatments. This is outside of the control of the government. Its simple the nature of the beast.
Of course, Northern Ontario is not neglected. The provincial liberals have put millions upgrading the highways and health care infrastructure up there. I just spent two month between Sudbury and Timmins doing locums in the hospitals up there- the improvement from 10 years ago is like night and day.
Seriously? What other reason could it be? That's the whole point. For a population as sparse as it is, Northern Ontario has excellent services and infrastructure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr6HK--HH5s
Listening to Tom Mulcair, I'm not impressed with their platform.
Trudeau is willing to make much more drastic changes. Which may end up horribly but I rather gamble.
Listening to Tom Mulcair, I'm not impressed with their platform.
Trudeau is willing to make much more drastic changes. Which may end up horribly but I rather gamble.
Lone_Prodigy
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I don't live in Surrey but I think some form of high-speed transit is needed for a city that's growing so fast.
After seeing how Cambie was affected during the Canada Line construction, I'm not sure if residents and businesses would be a fan of it happening on Broadway. It needs to happen though.
But look how much those businesses that survived or new businesses are benefiting now due to those stations. It was worth the sacrifice.
There is a huge amount of development occurring next to those stations. Airport outlet mall, Marine Gateway buildings, Cambie buildings, etc.
Shining Sunshine
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Interesting about NDP. I'll have to look at their policies to see for myself.
About the Liberals though, their candidate in my riding slapped a sticker on my door saying they put one of those lawn flags on my property without my permission, so now it's "fuck Liberals" for me. I don't even give a shit about policies.
Sounds like more taxes to me. We already said no to them in that referendum.
gutter_trash
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I always said that it is currently impossible to abolish it due to the bulk and strength of Quebec and Ontario holding the largest amount of Senators, both these provinces have the upper hand whenever comes time to negotiate.
Atlantic provinces also don't want to concede their Senators without something in return.
Only the Western ptovinces want to get rid of them solely because they feel underrepresented when compared to the East.
Each province will selfishly look after their own interests
equippedwithtowel
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I've been lurking in this thread for a while now, still don't have any real thoughts to contribute. However I might get the chance to meet Pierre Polievre tomorrow.
Any ideas for a nice gutty question?
Any ideas for a nice gutty question?
Nothing against him, but Canadians like Shining Sunshine annoy me significantly as a voters (he's probably an awesome person). They vote reactionary based on trivial things or emotions. A good example of emotional voting instead of intelligent voting was HST tax referendum in BC. Not voting for a party that may have a better platform because they put a sticker on your door without asking.
I guess that summarizes a lot of voters. I just wish voters would look at platforms intelligently and then also reviewed a lot of leader characteristics, then make a decision based on that instead of trivial things.
Making a decision based on someone putting a sticker on your door without asking seems so stupid.
I guess that summarizes a lot of voters. I just wish voters would look at platforms intelligently and then also reviewed a lot of leader characteristics, then make a decision based on that instead of trivial things.
Making a decision based on someone putting a sticker on your door without asking seems so stupid.
Shining Sunshine
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I voted for HST.
And not everyone has a sweet hi-rise apartment like you, Tabris. No one's gonna put a sticker on your door lol.
And not everyone has a sweet hi-rise apartment like you, Tabris. No one's gonna put a sticker on your door lol.
matthewwhatever
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Sure, but then you should probably finish the thought.
Also, I think you should temper your perception of triumphalism by considering the lens you see it through. There's been plenty of high expectations among both liberal and ndp supporters in these threads, and far far far more "nothing will ever change ever again((((" (or in a few rare cases "
Fair enough.
Crap, you're on to our plans. Tell no one!
Seriously, though, I think ranked ballots make sense from a Liberal perspective. From its inception, the Liberals have been all about being a big tent party that appeals to as broad a swath of the population as possible. Ranked ballots reward that. I know it drives some people here up the wall, but it's not like they came to that point out of nowhere.
He sounds delightful.
I like that Harper looked at his campaign so far, and decided his big problem is that it wasn't racist and xenophobic enough. That's a sure way to turn things around.
"Why are you such a detestable weenie?"
In what capacity are you meeting him?
I don't think that guy will help their campaign that much. He may just hurt it even further now since people may see him as political baggage and he may also expand even more on the weaknesses that are plaguing the conservative campaign currently.The NDP and Liberal campaigns are probably figuring out a way to neutralize this guy now or very soon to prevent him from making sure the conservatives wins this election
matthewwhatever
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Absolutely -- I was kidding about him sounding delightful, just to be clear. I think he's going to play into Harper's worst impulses, and I think that this new guy's apparent fondness for anti-immigrant rhetoric will harm the Conservatives with some of their more reliable voting blocs.
I also wonder how quickly he'll be able to adapt to the Canadian political landscape. The CPC may have a lot in common with the Australian conservative party, but I think that's where the similarities end.
If you're talking about the BC Liberal party, they have nothing to do with the federal Liberal Party of Canada. The only shared idea is the word Liberal in their party names.
the_prime_mover
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I really don't know that I want every single member of a party to be totally aligned with every single stance the party leader is taking. Variation within the party seems far healthier than just having MPs toe the party line. Unfortunately, if one party can command in that manner, I suppose all parties have to in order to maintain control.
While I don't necessarily agree with her tweeted opinion, I don't know that it is so far outside of (or central to) the parties platform that her resignation was necessary.
Shining Sunshine
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Nah, any gov't saying they'll fund something, it comes out of our pockets somehow.
Of course I know BC Liberals aren't like National Liberals. They're like the Conservatives of the province lol.
..What. I'm so confused by this one.
The fucking gas plant scandal.
I lived in Oakville, and the whole thing was stupid to begin with.
First, it was Ford, one of Oakville's most prominent employers, trying to sell-off their land. I greatly appreciate Ford's presence in the community, but they tried to sell us out on this. They wanted to sell land for a power plant right next to a residential community, and less than 500 metres from a high school.
Second, every fucking provincial party campaigned on cancelling the plant. The PCs and NDP only teamed up against the Liberals when they were elected and went through with cancelling it.
gutter_trash
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Canadians getting Provincial parties mixed up with Federal parties are the worst Canadians to ever debate politics with.
BC Liberals are not even affiliated with the Federal Liberals.
BC Liberals are not even Liberals
equippedwithtowel
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I have young Tory friends who are trying to rope me in to a pub night hosted by him to shore up volunteers.
Not that I should be allowed around alcohol and CPC members at the same time.
Ok, in that case ask him what the role of an MP should be. 😜
equippedwithtowel
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Not a terrible choice. Even if I don't get graced with an audience it still might be worth it to get sloshed and complain loudly about coalitions.
I have a feeling that parties are going to have to get over relatively innocuous social media snafus sooner or later. Embarrassing tweets are like oral herpes (thanks STD gaf); like 80% of people have them but they just don't flare up that frequently.
edit: of course the fucking herpes joke gets top of the page
I have a feeling that parties are going to have to get over relatively innocuous social media snafus sooner or later. Embarrassing tweets are like oral herpes (thanks STD gaf); like 80% of people have them but they just don't flare up that frequently.
edit: of course the fucking herpes joke gets top of the page
The Last Emperor
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Just came from that big Justin rally in Vancouver
Damn, he's a charming dude
Damn, he's a charming dude
JesseEwiak
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Honest question or two from an American who probably knows more about Canadian politics than he should because he's a geek, but still doesn't get certain things.
For instance, why is the NDP seemingly moving way to the center, despite the fact the Orange Surge is a result of people finally being upset about a kind of They'reBothTheSameness coming from the other two main parties.
And secondarily, are the Liberal's actually moving left from being the ultimate 90's neoliberal parry, or is it just a matter of what they're now focusing on when they talk?
For instance, why is the NDP seemingly moving way to the center, despite the fact the Orange Surge is a result of people finally being upset about a kind of They'reBothTheSameness coming from the other two main parties.
And secondarily, are the Liberal's actually moving left from being the ultimate 90's neoliberal parry, or is it just a matter of what they're now focusing on when they talk?
Buba Big Guns
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Ask him why he's such a douche. He's pretty much the epitome of why the CPC is so out of touch.
BigJonsson
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Never mind, I think that was yesterday's poll
People weren't drawn towards the NDP because they thought the Liberals were like the CPC. They were drawn to it because the NDP had a stable and charismatic leader, and general "fighting for the little guy" principles, while the Liberals devolved into petty infighting with a revolving door of leaders and platforms that shared little in common except that they didn't really like each other very much.
This doesn't really mean shit as the problem remains that the municipalities can't afford their 1/3 share of the project. We just had a referendum about this issue of raising local money for the municipal share and it failed. The issue was never the federal amount of funding. Even the Conservatives were happy to give cash, as they've funded the Calgary and Ottawa lines. The issue is that municipal governments are super poor and don't have the money.
https://pricetags.wordpress.com/201...ians-shove-transit-money-done-surreys-throat/
The Liberals or NDP promising whatever for transit doesn't really mean much. If they promise a steady, constant diversion of money from the feds to municipalities then that's something.
I reject the idea that the NDP are moving to the centre as they're the only party that is actually advocating a big new government program, national $15 a day daycare. Every other party is doing the same mild tax credit bs.
matthewwhatever
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Today's Nanos:
LPC: 30.9 (-1.2)
CPC 30.8 (+2.2)
NDP 29.9 (-0.7)
Green 4.6% (-0.2 )
...except for the massive infrastructure spending influx the Liberals are promising. And besides, the NDP's childcare proposal is dependent entirely on getting buy-in from the promises, and Ontario has already said they're not interested in kicking in 40% of the funds for a new program.
LPC: 30.9 (-1.2)
CPC 30.8 (+2.2)
NDP 29.9 (-0.7)
Green 4.6% (-0.2 )
...except for the massive infrastructure spending influx the Liberals are promising. And besides, the NDP's childcare proposal is dependent entirely on getting buy-in from the promises, and Ontario has already said they're not interested in kicking in 40% of the funds for a new program.
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