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[PumpkinSpice]

Aside from the debate, can I ask what's up with the Liberal's campaign signs in Quebec? They're kinda creepy. They're all black with a splash of red and makes the candidates and Trudeau look like vampires or something. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.

We went through Gatineau yesterday and today and the Liberals signs just look comically bad.

 

[Kurdel]

We went through Gatineau yesterday and today and the Liberals signs just look comically bad.

Wait, they aren't like that in the other provinces?

I had the same reaction when I saw them.

 

[lupinko]

Harper's military propaganda is paper thin.

Harper is the worst and fakest warmonger/warhawk there is.

Talks big but underfunds and cuts the military and overly depends on the US and NATO involvement, which for the latter he has been half assing to no assing for years.

The CF can't even do its civilian objectives properly either under this joke of a government.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Call me crazy, but I don't think Conservative voters care much about what happens in Saudi Arabia.

Which is weird considering how much they're frightened of those scary, scary Muslims and extreme Islam is such a big concern for them. Those Muslims with the most power and with the most oppressive regime not currently branded as terrorists? Saudi Arabia would be #1 really. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Aside from the debate, can I ask what's up with the Liberal's campaign signs in Quebec? They're kinda creepy. They're all black with a splash of red and makes the candidates and Trudeau look like vampires or something. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.

We went through Gatineau yesterday and today and the Liberals signs just look comically bad.

Heh, are they different outside of Québec? But yeah they all look like supervillains, it's hilarious. Ms. Poirier, in my riding (the third lady from the left in the pic above), looks particulary creepy and evil. lol

 

[Annubis]

Wait, they aren't like that in the other provinces?

I had the same reaction when I saw them.

That said, Dion will probably win Saint-Laurent.
They are really happy with him.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Wait, they aren't like that in the other provinces?

Heh, are they different outside of Québec? But yeah they all look like supervillains, it's hilarious. Ms. Poirier, in my riding (the third lady from the left in the pic above), looks particulary creepy and evil. lol

Most look like these around here:

Some have faces but most are just the names. I also don't know what's up with faces everywhere (in Quebec), like every lightpole in Gatineau has the same four faces over and over. Would drive me nuts if I was there every day.

For some reason David McGuinty's are all white with a bit of red though, I thought there was some sort of brand consistency required but I guess not?

 

[mo60]

Call me crazy, but I don't think Conservative voters care much about what happens in Saudi Arabia.

It probably won't be, but that will depend on how the opposition talks about the issue.

 

[Walpurgis]

Ok, yeah, I don't know who you are trying to convince here, but I am not buying it.

Then you have a persecution complex. I looked back at my original comment and I really don't see how it could be mistaken for some attack against you. I don't understand why that's such a hard thing to believe. Like, I don't expect everyone to know about Louis Riel, Big Bear and Poundmaker. I guess there's no convincing you though.

 

[Kurdel]

Then you have a persecution complex. I looked back at my original comment and I really don't see how it could be mistaken for some attack against you. I don't understand why that's such a hard thing to believe. Like, I don't expect everyone to know about Louis Riel, Big Bear and Poundmaker. I guess there's no convincing you though.

So instead of realizing it could be seen as insensitive and read up on it, you day "fuck it it's your fault you have a persecution complex"?

You clearly knew what the October crisis was, making as if you don't know the impacts it had on Quebec nationalism is ridiculous, and I do not buy it, I am sorry.

Read up on the subject, and how Quebecois rights were trampled in the response, before making ignorant comments justified by your limited canadian history education.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Most look like these around here:



Some have faces but most are just the names. I also don't know what's up with faces everywhere (in Quebec), like every lightpole in Gatineau has the same four faces over and over. Would drive me nuts if I was there every day.

For some reason David McGinty's are all white with a bit of red though, I thought there was some sort of brand consistency required but I guess not?

Yea I noticed that too. Maybe they let him use a different template since he's an older MP (grandfathered).

 

[gutter_trash]

Harper may not make spectacular gains but he did his jobs to preserve his seats in Quebec.
he may regain seats back that were lost in 2011

Justin was focussed on the Federalist vote and did his job to paint the difference between him and Mulcair when it comes to Candian Unity which is focussed to get back the seats lost in 2011 to the NDP.
Justin did his job.

Duceppe may not win that many seats back but he did his jobs to get the iseparitists vote back

Mulcair lost tonight, he had the most to lose and may lose seats to the Conservatves in the Quebec City area and may have allowed the Bloc to survive

bonus on Justin outside of Quebec directed at Ontario voters, Justin's strong stance on Canadian Unity consiladates him as the Federalist candidate among Ontario voters weeriy about Quebec nationalists.


winner of the night? Stephen Harper due to everyone else fighting

 

[matthewwhatever]

I... I just don't understand how you find this wishy washy. I seriously don't get it.

And I thought he was supposed to be saying in french that he was adamantly against it, according to the "one thing in french, another in english" meme. This is what he says in english!

His position basically boils down to "pipelines if necessary, but not necessarily pipelines." Admittedly, the Liberals aren't significantly better, and I'd much prefer if they (and the NDP too) were a little more willing to stop supporting the tarsands entirely, but I don't see how the NDP (and, heck, the Liberals too on this front) could be called anything other than wishy-washy.

Wonder how much longer we'll go until we start talking up the possibility of a Conservative majority mandate again.
The way the polls have shifted over the past two weeks... AND how mobilized I know that base of ignorance is when it comes to election day turnout... I think it's worth discussing.

I think it all depends on whether the other polls match up with Ekos. If they continue to be the only one where the Conservatives have a big lead, then the bigger question will be how they keep getting a result that's so far out of whack with the consensus. If we see similar movement everywhere else, then it's time to worry.

Aside from the debate, can I ask what's up with the Liberal's campaign signs in Quebec? They're kinda creepy. They're all black with a splash of red and makes the candidates and Trudeau look like vampires or something. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.

We went through Gatineau yesterday and today and the Liberals signs just look comically bad.

I remember seeing a couple of these signpost signs in Ottawa a few elections ago, but for the most part, they're a Quebec-only thing. I'd love to hear from Quebecers of how they came to be -- did it grow out of the relative lack of green space in downtown Montreal? -- because it's kind of baffling to an outsider.

 

[dragonfart28]

His position basically boils down to "pipelines if necessary, but not necessarily pipelines." Admittedly, the Liberals aren't significantly better, and I'd much prefer if they (and the NDP too) were a little more willing to stop supporting the tarsands entirely, but I don't see how the NDP (and, heck, the Liberals too on this front) could be called anything other than wishy-washy.

There's nothing wishy-washy about making new legislation and enforcing it.

 

[gutter_trash]

I think those red and black campaign posters to be awful, they should have chosen white and red

they are too dark and they don't work with everyone .

Like Marc Garneau looks like he is missing teeth

apperently they hired the same firm that made the posters for Melanie Joly's moyoral campaign where she finished 2nd, she is currently a LPC candidate now in Ahunstic.

here are her posters during the mayoral race

 

[killer rin]

I know it happened in Argentina, but anyone else think that the Cyanide spill from the Canadian Company will be the next big thing the NDP, Liberals and Green will try to hit Harper on?

 

[mo60]

I know it happened in Argentina, but anyone else think that the Cyanide spill from the Canadian Company will be the next big thing the NDP, Liberals and Green will try to hit Harper on?

I bet it on it along with that saudi arabia stuff that was mentioned in the debate earlier today.

 

[Walpurgis]

So instead of realizing it could be seen as insensitive and read up on it, you day "fuck it it's your fault you have a persecution complex"?

You clearly knew what the October crisis was, making as if you don't know the impacts it had on Quebec nationalism is ridiculous, and I do not buy it, I am sorry.

Read up on the subject, and how Quebecois rights were trampled in the response, before making ignorant comments justified by your limited canadian history education.

I only realised that it might have been offensive after your condescending response.

And I only know about the October Crisis from reading about terrorist attacks in Canada on Wikipedia. Obviously, the FLQ didn't like it and then they disappeared. That's about as much as I know about that. I honestly didn't know that they had supporters.

I don't think you realise how ridiculous you're sounding so let me summarise how this went down.

• I ask a question about Quebec's reaction to Trudeau's war measures act since it was briefly brought up in the debate.
• You tell me to read a book.
• I apologise and ask if I offended you.
• You accuse me of trolling and tell me that this is common knowledge (it's not, Canada is a much bigger place than Quebec).
• I provide proof that I didn't learn about this in school and that it's not common knowledge.
• Another gaffer corroborates my story.
• You continue to be condescending and rude.
• You continue to accuse me of actually knowing about Quebec's reaction to the war measures act (why would I know about this?).
• I accuse you of having a persecution complex (which you've demonstrated pretty well).

I'm not sure what you want from me. An apology? You already got that and it clearly wasn't enough. You want me to stop asking questions about things that I don't know about? I'm not going to do that.

I will read about this war measures act but you really need to stop being so defensive.

 

[gutter_trash]

Mulcair was scum for bringing up Pierre Trudeau's use of the War Measures Act tonight, it was a calculated move to pander to the most nationalistic of voters in Quebec, and very odd move since Qc MNA Pierre Laporte was killed at the hand of the FLQ.

I liked Jack Layoton, i like Jack allot but Mulcair is slimey and has not tact.

Brining up RIP Pierre Trudeau and and slamming Justin's father in front of him to pander to Nationalists was a really low blow.

So low that I wish the NDP never form Government even if it means Harper getting re-elected.

Haper trashes Pierre Trudeau on his energy policy, okay, Harper I get it, Western Alienation blablal

but Thomas Mulcair, a former Quebec Liberal MNA trashing Pierre Trudeau's use of the War Measure's Act when then Quebec Liberal MNA Pierre Laporte was kidnapped by the FLQ, then later killed by the FLQ.... is a real Frank Underwood low blow by Mulcair.

Discusting.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

So low that I wish the NDP never form Government even if it means Harper getting re-elected.

Holy overreaction Batman. Got some more pearls to clutch?

 

[RevoDS]

Mulcair was scum for bringing up Pierre Trudeau's use of the War Measures Act tonight, it was a calculated move to pander to the most nationalistic of voters in Quebec, and very odd move since Qc MNA Pierre Laporte was killed at the hand of the FLQ.

I liked Jack Layoton, i like Jack allot but Mulcair is slimey and has not tact.

Brining up RIP Pierre Trudeau and and slamming Justin's father in front of him to pander to Nationalists was a really low blow.

So low that I wish the NDP never form Government even if it means Harper getting re-elected.

Haper trashes Pierre Trudeau on his energy policy, okay, Harper I get it, Western Alienation blablal

but Thomas Mulcair, a former Quebec Liberal MNA trashing Pierre Trudeau's use of the War Measure's Act when then Quebec Liberal MNA Pierre Laporte was kidnapped by the FLQ, then later killed by the FLQ.... is a real Frank Underwood low blow by Mulcair.

Discusting.

Go home you're drunk, this post makes no sense.

 

[eBay Huckster]

*looks at that post*

Hey matthewwhatever, wanna pretend Mulcair isn't actually the NDP leader in three weeks?

 

[pr0cs]

Haper trashes Pierre Trudeau on his energy policy, okay, Harper I get it, Western Alienation blablal

It's always funny when this is underestimated.. The east wonders why the west votes cons....here it is

 

[Kurdel]

I only realised that it might have been offensive after your condescending response.

I will read about this war measures act but you really need to stop being so defensive.

So my answer made you realize you have been actively ignorant for months about something you took lightly, and will read more about it?

Couldn't be happier to get you to learn more about your own country's history!

 

[mo60]

And another ontario provincial party wants harper out according to this link.
http://cce-wakata.blogspot.ca/2015/09/news-flash-ontario-conservatives-call.html

And wow at gutter's recent post in this thread.

 

[Annubis]

Can we hope that the Duffy trial explodes soon and destroys Harper?
That'd be nice.

 

[Kurdel]

Can we hope that the Duffy trial explodes soon and destroys Harper?
That'd be nice.

We need an October surprise

 

[mo60]

Can we hope that the Duffy trial explodes soon and destroys Harper?
That'd be nice.

I thought the trial won't open again until november?Once the trial opens again I do expect it negatively affect Harper again like it did in August.

 

[lupinko]

Go home you're drunk, this post makes no sense.

What you bolded is fact though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laporte

Pierre Laporte (25 February 1921 – 17 October 1970) was a Canadian lawyer, journalist and politician who was the Deputy Premier and Minister of Labour of the province of Quebec before being kidnapped and assassinated by members of the group Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) during the October Crisis. Laporte's body was found in the trunk of Paul Rose's car.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

I only realised that it might have been offensive after your condescending response.

And I only know about the October Crisis from reading about terrorist attacks in Canada on Wikipedia. Obviously, the FLQ didn't like it and then they disappeared. That's about as much as I know about that. I honestly didn't know that they had supporters.

I don't think you realise how ridiculous you're sounding so let me summarise how this went down.

• I ask a question about Quebec's reaction to Trudeau's war measures act since it was briefly brought up in the debate.
• You tell me to read a book.
• I apologise and ask if I offended you.
• You accuse me of trolling and tell me that this is common knowledge (it's not, Canada is a much bigger place than Quebec).
• I provide proof that I didn't learn about this in school and that it's not common knowledge.
• Another gaffer corroborates my story.
• You continue to be condescending and rude.
• You continue to accuse me of actually knowing about Quebec's reaction to the war measures act (why would I know about this?).
• I accuse you of having a persecution complex (which you've demonstrated pretty well).

I'm not sure what you want from me. An apology? You already got that and it clearly wasn't enough. You want me to stop asking questions about things that I don't know about? I'm not going to do that.

I will read about this war measures act but you really need to stop being so defensive.

Here's a rough summary of the important part you're missing.

The October crisis was the only occasion in which the War Measures Act was invoked in peacetime. This allowed Canadian armed forces to march into the city of Montreal and attempt to control the deteriorating situation. The FLQ was declared an unlawful association, this meant that under the War Measures act the military had full power to arrest, interrogate and hold anyone they believed was associated with the FLQ. This meant that "A person who was a member to this group, acted or supported it in some fashion became liable to a jail term not to exceed five years. A person arrested for such a purpose could be held without bail for up to ninety days"[22] It is estimated that within the first 24 hours of the War measures act being put in place, the Canadian forces along with mobile police mobilized to arrest suspects of the unlawful organization. The police and army conducted 3000 searches and 497 people were detained.[23]

Along with this, the War Measures act violated and limited many human rights of people being incarcerated; for example "Everyone arrested under the War Measures Act was denied due process. Habeas corpus (an individual’s ancient right to have a judge confirm that they have been lawfully detained) was suspended. The Crown could detain a suspect for seven days before charging him or her with a crime. In addition, the attorney general could order, before the seven days expired, that the accused be held for up to 21 days. The prisoners were not permitted to consult legal counsel, and many were held incommunicado."[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis

In short, if you were suspected of being in the FLQ because of your independentist ideas, they could search your house and throw you in jail without any process. 3000 person had their house searched by the army and 497 were arrested that way, with only 62 being charged of something. So no, some people in Quebec didn't like it.

(I don't think I need to specify this, but you never know: being an independentist does. not. make. you. a. terrorist.)

 

[maharg]

What you bolded is fact though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laporte

Pierre Laporte (25 February 1921 – 17 October 1970) was a Canadian lawyer, journalist and politician who was the Deputy Premier and Minister of Labour of the province of Quebec before being kidnapped and assassinated by members of the group Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) during the October Crisis. Laporte's body was found in the trunk of Paul Rose's car.

It was bolded in gutter's original post, I don't think RevoDS was disputing the facts.

 

[RevoDS]

What you bolded is fact though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laporte

Pierre Laporte (25 February 1921 – 17 October 1970) was a Canadian lawyer, journalist and politician who was the Deputy Premier and Minister of Labour of the province of Quebec before being kidnapped and assassinated by members of the group Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) during the October Crisis. Laporte's body was found in the trunk of Paul Rose's car.

Bold was his, I didn't bold a thing.

 

[lupinko]

It was bolded in gutter's original post, I don't think RevoDS was disputing the facts.

Bold was his, I didn't bold a thing.

Ah I see.

 

[AuthenticM]

I recommend watching the movie Les ordres, from Michel Brault, which depicts the October Crisis. It was nominated for a Golden Palme at Cannes and won the Best Director award at the same event.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

I recommend watching the movie Les ordres, from Michel Brault, which depicts the October Crisis. It was nominated for a Golden Palme at Cannes and won the Best Director award at the same event.

Oh wow, I second this. Excellent movie to give you an idea of what happened. I wish it was available for free on the ONF (or NFB in english) website.

EDIT: $2 to rent on Itunes, with english subtitles!
https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/les-ordres/id662821113?ign-mpt=uo=4

 

[Joeku]

Wait, they aren't like that in the other provinces?

I had the same reaction when I saw them.

This looks like it is designed for some F2P iOS game.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This looks like it is designed for some F2P iOS game.

Just... look at her. How can you not trust a face like this?

I totally can't hear Darth Vader's theme now. Nope. Nope.

(It's her Twitter avatar too... lawl. Did their graphic designer/photograph or whoever, never watch this clip or what?)

 

[Stage On]

Trudeau suggesting rebooting the Avro Arrow?

Now that's something I could get behind.

The Arrow was a beast, one of the best aircraft for it's time and it was shame the program for it was scrapped.

We need knew jets and the F35 are shit so we might as well build our own again.

 

[gutter_trash]

Just... look at her. How can you not trust a face like this?

I totally can't hear Darth Vader's theme now. Nope. Nope.

(It's her Twitter avatar too... lawl. Did their graphic designer/photograph or whoever, never watch this clip or what?)

im voting for her, even she running 3rd place

she just got a baby last month.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I'm surprised. I feel like Mulcair did the best, which I was not expecting. I also think May did surprisingly well. I couldn't understand Duceppe much, he was speaking too quickly and I'm not used to the thick Quebec accent. Still gotta work on that >_<

And yeah, while Quebec talks a lot about useless things like the niqab, I gotta give them credit for having a *whole* section dedicated to the environment! That was really necessary. Unfortunate that we won't have a debate like that in English (unless the Munk debates include the Paris conference somehow, which I doubt will be a huge topic anyway).

Don't see how anyone can come out thinking Harper was the winner. Especially towards the end with all the Saudi Arabia-related questions. He just looked like he didn't wanna be there.

Also Harper yaps all day about "Quebec values" but his party was never at the pride parade and still manages to come up with a lot of homophobic shit. So much for "Quebec values". I wish someone would just call him out on his BS.

 

[Tiktaalik]

I had to stop watching. Apparently there was a question about electric car subsidies? What did people say? Anything interesting?

 

[Annubis]

I wish someone would just call him out on his BS.

Mulcair did:

"Pis arrêtes de dire n'importe quoi aux canadiens."

 

[Bisnic]

im voting for her, even she running 3rd place

she just got a baby last month.

I'm not sure how that's relevant, but ok? Congrats for her I guess, she'll have more time to take care of the baby since she's not gonna win?

 

[gutter_trash]

I'm not sure how that's relevant, but ok? Congrats for her I guess, she'll have more time to take care of the baby since she's not gonna win?

to me it doesn't matter, I'm voting Liberal regardless if they are in 3rd in my riding.

i voted for NDP twice in the past under Jack Layton but now with Thomas Mulcair bashing Pierre Trudeau with a 5 second sound bite about his use of the War Measures Act in 1970 (Justin wasn't ever born yet)... that was a real low IMO from Mulcair to try to score points among Nationalists.

Bringing Pierre Trudeau into the mud on a difficult moment in history versus the FLQ, man Mulcair is dirty and low

 

[matthewwhatever]

*looks at that post*

Hey matthewwhatever, wanna pretend Mulcair isn't actually the NDP leader in three weeks?

Gutter's, you mean? I still maintain he's a not-so-secret Conservative. I hope. I know that every party has their own brand of crazies, but his psychotic xenophobia seems like it fits in best with them.

I know it happened in Argentina, but anyone else think that the Cyanide spill from the Canadian Company will be the next big thing the NDP, Liberals and Green will try to hit Harper on?

I doubt it. If the Chevron case a few weeks ago didn't make any impact in the news (which is actually a really big deal, from the perspective of any company looking to establish a Canadian subsidiary), I can't imagine this will either.


The NDP have lost a candidate in Manitoba over a Facebook post comparing a Jewish sect to the Taliban. Reading the actual text of the comment, though...I don't know. It's a little over-the-top, for sure, but it seems weird that they'd ditch this specific candidate over their Hamilton candidate who didn't know what Auschwitz was (not to mention their Scarborough candidate who promised to work against same-sex marriage and abortion if elected).

 

[mo60]

Here are the latest forum poll and the nanos. The conservatives are in third in the nanos poll while the ndp are in third in the forum poll.This is still a close race and it looks like the mainstreet poll may be an outlier now.The NDP is still expected to beat their personal best seat count set in 2011t with these poll numbers.

Nanos poll
http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20150924 Ballot TrackingE.pdf

forum poll
http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/1388/conservative-minority-liberal-opposition-seen/

 

[matthewwhatever]

Here are the latest forum poll and the nanos. The conservatives are in third in the nanos poll while the ndp are in third in the forum poll.This is still a close race and it looks like the mainstreet poll may be an outlier now.The NDP is still expected to beat their personal best seat count set in 2011t with these poll numbers.

Nanos poll
http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20150924 Ballot TrackingE.pdf

forum poll
http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/1388/conservative-minority-liberal-opposition-seen/

You mean Ekos? We haven't seen a national-level poll from Mainstreet in weeks.

While I still don't trust Forum at all, those are some interesting results -- the Liberals tied for first with the Conservatives, with the NDP down 12 points in three weeks? Not only that, this is a pretty drastic shift from anything we've seen so far:

Conservatives (29%) and Liberals (27%) are relatively equally likely to be seen as the eventual victors, with the NDP close behind (25%).

I mean, I'd love it to be the case, but considering that Forum wasn't even measuring people's expectations of a Liberal victory at the beginning of the race, that seems like a pretty massive shift (at least for their poll).

 

[Sapiens]

Wait, they aren't like that in the other provinces?

I had the same reaction when I saw them.

I thought they looked fine when I was there a few days ago. Definitely nicer than the NDP and CPC ads, I thought.

 

[Windam]

I really hope those Forum results are inaccurate as hell.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Both Leger and Ekos have published their breakdowns. That Ekos one is really weird...Conservatives with a huge lead among women? The Liberals almost in 4th place in Quebec? The NDP falling to third place at the same time as they shoot up 10 points in the "Predicted Election Outcome" poll? The Greens polling almost 3 points higher there than anywhere else? I don't want to discount it just because I don't like what the overall picture is showing, but the whole thing is really out-of-whack with what every single other poll is showing.

 

[Savitar]

Now that's something I could get behind.

The Arrow was a beast, one of the best aircraft for it's time and it was shame the program for it was scrapped.

We need knew jets and the F35 are shit so we might as well build our own again.

If the Arrow really was as good as it's hyped to be I don't know but damn I wish it had been tried so we could have really found out instead of all that politics crap that caused it to end. Loved the movie about it years ago.

And I don't believe the polls too much, they tend to be poor indicators more often than not.

Can only hope my fellow Canadians do the right thing. Can they really be so stupid to vote for the PC's again.