so basically what everyone said about the movie is true.
Those evil youtubers strike again
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Candyman is getting insanely good reviews!
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so basically what everyone said about the movie is true.
Those evil youtubers strike again
I collect VHS tapes
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Shocker
Elpidio Valdés
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On the flip side all the actors seem to have done a very good job and the cinematography is strong but it doesn't reach the highs of the first movie. As always, I'll watch it and make my own opinion. I do like watching Jeremy's reviews because he & I have very similar tastes in movies. I rarely disagree with him.so basically what everyone said about the movie is true.
Those evil youtubers strike again
AlteredForms
Banned
What I'm pissed about is all this hype surrounding Tony Todd making a comeback and he's only in the damn movie for 5 seconds.
sol_bad
Member
This proves your theory wrong. Absolutely terrible film.
Antebellum | Rotten Tomatoes
Successful author Veronica Henley is finishing a book tour before she returns home to her husband and daughter. But a shocking turn of events is about to upend Veronica's existence, plunging her into a horrifying reality that forces her to confront her past, present and future -- before it's too...
www.rottentomatoes.com
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Wanted to watch it, why was it terrible?This proves your theory wrong. Absolutely terrible film.
Antebellum | Rotten Tomatoes
Successful author Veronica Henley is finishing a book tour before she returns home to her husband and daughter. But a shocking turn of events is about to upend Veronica's existence, plunging her into a horrifying reality that forces her to confront her past, present and future -- before it's too...
I collect VHS tapes
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How does that prove his point wrong? He said “if they have a high score” not “having those things will give it a high score”This proves your theory wrong. Absolutely terrible film.
Antebellum | Rotten Tomatoes
Successful author Veronica Henley is finishing a book tour before she returns home to her husband and daughter. But a shocking turn of events is about to upend Veronica's existence, plunging her into a horrifying reality that forces her to confront her past, present and future -- before it's too...
edit: not that I agree with him, but your post doesn’t seem to address his point
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sol_bad
Member
For me it was about the reveal at the end, it made the whole concept a bit silly. The idea was interesting but the execution was lacking.
Dacon
Banned
This movie is fucking weird, tries to make Candyman some kind of fucking black revenge superhero.
Tony Todd is the only Candyman imo, idgaf what anyone or this dumb movie says. No one in this film has the presence or swagger.
sol_bad
Member
He is implying that films with a black female charcter tend to get high scores automatically. Antebellum is proof that that is not true.
bender
What time is it?
Elpidio Valdés
Member
Lol yeah he uses a lot of cuts! It doesn't really bother me but I can see how it can be annoying.
bender
What time is it?
Someone should write him a friendly letter. It's made all the more funny considering he's a film reviewer.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Me and my wife were looking for a movie to go see this weekend and were going back and forth between this and Free Guy. After seeing this was mostly a message about cops and white people being bad and already hearing that shit for the past year from the media we decided on Free Guy.
Dacon
Banned
I don't like Jahn's videos so I haven't seen one in years, but jfc this makes me physically ill.
Imagine watching this and thinking "Yep, that looks good".
TaylorSwiftFan
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6.4/10 on IMDB and 72% on RT. Looks like it’s not a must-see.
Peggies
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Well first of all, I was talking about metacritic and not rotten tomatoes. Second of all "Antebellum" is one of the most ridiculous peace of shit movies ever made. Not even the woke brigade critics could change that - but 43 is still much more than it deserves.
I'm not even against female main characters - I happen to be a woman myself.
All I'm saying is, that Horror movies tend to get higher scores not for being scary or having an eerie twist but for virtue signaling and that annoys me.
It's all in the wrist
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Man, y'all trying to ruin the movie before I even get to see it. I hate the internet sometimes.
Loved his other two movies, even though I was being preached to.
Loved his other two movies, even though I was being preached to.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
i might give it a shot. i saw the original as a kid and i was so scared of it. i must've been about only 4 years old lol so i don't actually remember anything of it. my cousin would always turn the bathroom light off and hold the door shut cause he knew i was terrified of the movie. i had nightmares of being in the dark and seeing someone appear in the mirror lol.
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Mohonky
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Yeh, horror that I've enjoyed have been light on the ground. Even the ones everyone raved about have been meh to me. I kind of stopped trusting the internet.
There's been some good ones burt not alot. Ironically the Nicolas Cage ones have been really good; Colour out of Space, Mandy....
I also really enjoyed The Ritual
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funkygunther
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You read the reviews that produce those scores
drotahorror
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Afraid of that too. Back in the 90's this was a movie that was hype on it's social commentary on the black community, similar to Tales from the Hood. Nu Candyman could just be pandering to whites, or it could do the original justice. It's a really hard line to walk on, props to even trying to make this film in todays climate.
Lukaku's First Touch
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so this is like a black panther 2.
WoodyStare
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The movie may have my favorite opening credits so far of any movie this year, and the subsequent 20 minutes or so aren’t bad. I was actually on board and digging what they were going for initially.
However, there comes a point after that where the screenplay just falls apart and becomes silly (the scene where the guy is talking about being into necrophilia was ridiculous). Then it becomes preachy throughout, with a critic scene that had me rolling my eyes in a failed attempt at self awareness.
The kills feel cheap, and one of them had me laughing in the theater. The actors do their best with what they’re given, but the characters are mostly weak and underdeveloped. Either the film was severely cut during editing, or they were trying too many things for the 90 minute runtime. The way it tries to connect with the original film just feels tacked on, and the third act is terrible. Also, that subplot with the high school girls was completely superfluous.
It’s a beautiful film at times, especially the scenes with puppets, and DaCosta clearly has a good visual eye, but the screenplay just killed this for me. I wouldn’t even consider this a horror movie since it’s not even remotely scary. Huge disappointment. I’m shocked it’s getting good reviews.
However, there comes a point after that where the screenplay just falls apart and becomes silly (the scene where the guy is talking about being into necrophilia was ridiculous). Then it becomes preachy throughout, with a critic scene that had me rolling my eyes in a failed attempt at self awareness.
The kills feel cheap, and one of them had me laughing in the theater. The actors do their best with what they’re given, but the characters are mostly weak and underdeveloped. Either the film was severely cut during editing, or they were trying too many things for the 90 minute runtime. The way it tries to connect with the original film just feels tacked on, and the third act is terrible. Also, that subplot with the high school girls was completely superfluous.
It’s a beautiful film at times, especially the scenes with puppets, and DaCosta clearly has a good visual eye, but the screenplay just killed this for me. I wouldn’t even consider this a horror movie since it’s not even remotely scary. Huge disappointment. I’m shocked it’s getting good reviews.
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MastaKiiLA
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Tony Todd is in it, so I'll definitely give it a watch. Glad he's still retaining the role of Candyman.
WoodyStare
Member
He’s wasted and in it for all of five seconds. Nothing more than a fan service role.
MastaKiiLA
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Oof! That sucks. I'll still watch, but thanks for the heads up.
ForAcademicPurposes
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I didn't get it.
Blond
Banned
You know as someone who loved the first one I’m in full agreement here. It’s WAY better than the b-movie sequels but is that really saying much? The end of the movie didn’t even feel like the end, it felt like the beginning of a third act or a bigger finale and suddenly the lights in the theater were turning on! You can Google Candyman and get people trying to explain the plot and ending but I’m trying to figure out hat exactly is there too explain.
They’re obviously doing a sequel but this was 100% not the way to get me interested in it. When it comes I’ll rent it for 5.99. I wouldn’t exactly say don’t watch it, but I would do 5 dollar matinee vs 9-25 dollar ticket.
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WoodyStare
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Honestly this makes me happy even if I wasn’t a fan of the film. There’s nothing I love more than seeing the horror genre thriving, I just wish the films were better.
eyesabitdull
Banned
Jordan Peele is the black iteration of M. Night Syamalanwhathisface.
He did one great plot twist in GET OUT that passed the "suspension of disbelief" check, and decided this was his way moving forward.
US had the dumbest plot twist by the end of the movie, and one in which, no matter how you justify it by analyzing the movie to find ways to support how the move ends - it just sounds dumb.
This isn't "The Wailing" where the movie and story was purposely meant to confuse and string your beliefs along to create the sense of horror of the unknown deep into your heart, it was just as dumb as trees being the thing that's killing humans in the end of whatsthatmovie by M. Night Whatshisface.
If CANDYMAN follows the same string of wannabe social commentary slapped glazed with a horror film plot to trick you into being preached at by the end of the movie, then I'm out.
He did one great plot twist in GET OUT that passed the "suspension of disbelief" check, and decided this was his way moving forward.
US had the dumbest plot twist by the end of the movie, and one in which, no matter how you justify it by analyzing the movie to find ways to support how the move ends - it just sounds dumb.
This isn't "The Wailing" where the movie and story was purposely meant to confuse and string your beliefs along to create the sense of horror of the unknown deep into your heart, it was just as dumb as trees being the thing that's killing humans in the end of whatsthatmovie by M. Night Whatshisface.
If CANDYMAN follows the same string of wannabe social commentary slapped glazed with a horror film plot to trick you into being preached at by the end of the movie, then I'm out.
Blond
Banned
Alright, I think my original take was kinda veering into hot territory. Here’s my thoughts a bit more organized now that the movie’s had time to settle on my brain.
- Re-Watch the original Candyman before going in. For better or worse this movie is banking on you being very very familiar with the original.
- Everyone who had a hand in the intro should be proud of themselves. I’ve never been so impressed with opening credits of all things to say it’s a highlight of the movie.
- This movie could’ve been 20-30 minutes longer and I wouldn’t have been mad. If there’s a director’s or extended cut I wanna watch it, Anthony is the only one that felt like he was fleshed out plenty and it’s for obvious reasons.
- The social commentary was similar to the original, the worse of it being the BLM patch on the backpack but you literally only see it for 5 seconds. There was the critic who felt like they tried to channel Helen on some level but that was just so on the nose.
- I liked how they explored the reality and fiction of urban legends. Retelling Helen’s story to make her the villain vs the victim felt pretty interesting to show how not only these kinds of legends are kept alive but how they change for the times and peoples perspectives.
- I liked they brought back original characters but IMO unless you’re going to go 2049 style and make them a major part of the plot please don’t bother. It was interesting to see her after ask these year’s for sure but you could watch the trailer in the bits and pieces and pretty much get the entire scene fed to you
- Originally was disappointed with Tony Todd showing his face for all of seconds, till I realized that I was being dumb and not paying attention realizing that Candymans face is the face every Candyman take, TT is just who played him.
- While it still irks the fuck out of me, yes, the “Tell everyone” is amazing but knowing it’s sequel bait for what will probably be a bigger, more fleshed out sequel is annoying. But I also love just how much it plays into his motivation , wanting victims and witnesses to carry on that fear for a whole new generation like the original.
Revolutionary
Gold Member
Another huge disappointment. The original was better and more subtle at its social commentary, without resorting to racist or anti-police rhetoric. In the original the police were competent, diverse, and they actually pursued suspects. In this one, the police beat creepy old men that live in holes in walls (??) because they believe he's giving out razor-laced candy. Except it turns out he actually was, because later the razor-laced candy appears when its haunting the main character... I'm probably thinking about this more than the writers did. Also, Yahya's character isn't even a suspect for the duration of the film, despite being seen arguing with the murdered white art victims at the art gallery AND the last person to have a meeting with evil white critic lady AT the scene of the crime.
The original also didn't shy away from showing the dark side of the hood. That scene where Virginia Madsen and her female colleague are heckled by the thugs as they enter the projects? That's a pretty legit experience for women who walk through such neighborhoods. Won't see none of that in this movie, though. The most you see is a dark laundry room where the aforementioned creepy old man lives in the walls.
That's not to say the original is perfect - I was never a fan of the third act where she suddenly becomes white savior (and then a Candyman herself, though it resulted in a satisfying final kill). But man, it's way better than the third act of this film. Not only does he become black savior instead (what a twist!), but he's now basically a supernatural Batman that kills cops lmao. What a terrible ending.
Nice to see Tony Todd again, though. Easy payday for him.
The original also didn't shy away from showing the dark side of the hood. That scene where Virginia Madsen and her female colleague are heckled by the thugs as they enter the projects? That's a pretty legit experience for women who walk through such neighborhoods. Won't see none of that in this movie, though. The most you see is a dark laundry room where the aforementioned creepy old man lives in the walls.
That's not to say the original is perfect - I was never a fan of the third act where she suddenly becomes white savior (and then a Candyman herself, though it resulted in a satisfying final kill). But man, it's way better than the third act of this film. Not only does he become black savior instead (what a twist!), but he's now basically a supernatural Batman that kills cops lmao. What a terrible ending.
Nice to see Tony Todd again, though. Easy payday for him.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Lol I didn't see that part xD. Did they put a PSA at the end too?
But yeah, got a chance to watch it Sunday. Some of the messaging is a bit forced but it's not like a lot of it isn't technically true if you've done research into the topics. Although the framing at times was a bit heavy-handed, for me it never got "in the way" of seeing the whole of the movie for what it is.
Thankfully it's not a reboot, but a direct sequel, and the murder sequences were pretty good. The main character has a good story arc and descent into madness, especially once you consider his backstory and how that ties in to the original film. Things are more sloppy with the plot and character development of his girlfriend tho; did she already know about the Candyman legend prior to meeting the artist or not? If so it would've been nice if she gave some of the earlier backstory into that so as to hint to the viewer it was the case, considering what happened with her father (assumedly). But the script just tosses it in there and we're supposed to take up this connection of hers with the Candyman stuff at the snap of the finger, it's very abrupt.
A few other things too, like why was that high school chick at the art show? They were like the ONLY teenager at it, I thought those kind of shows had an invite-only type of setup for private collections? Or maybe it was a public showcase and I didn't catch it. Anyway, she really didn't need to be at the gallery because she (and plenty others) would've known enough about the Candyman stuff from the multiple news broadcasts covering the incidents. Speaking of, what are the chances she missed every single one of those news reports and still decided it was a good idea to call on him in the school bathroom mirror? If she was curious enough to explicitly go see the piece at the gallery, she would've naturally been interested enough to catch any further info on it in the news and keep track of that; all of them ending in apparent deaths should've been enough to dissuade them from calling Candyman, I don't care how dumb of a teenager you are.
The last 30 or so minutes of the movie feel like they shoot by too quickly, with a sudden character twist and the artist's girlfriend suddenly becoming a lot more involved than you'd initially assume she would. This is especially true when it involves the character who has this sudden "twist" near the end, as well. And yeah, for whatever reason every single cop is shown as a piece of trash in the film, they're basically made out to be caricatures especially one near the end, this is where the more obtrusive messaging comes from. The problem isn't that they're crooked (there are plenty of crummy police), but the fact they're comically one-dimensional and there's not a single decent cop in the lot shown in the film. If you want to see how to expertly write complicated, three-dimensional cops who might be assholes but are realistic ones, watch The Wire or Brooklyn's Finest.
Overall I'd give it a 7/10. Definitely not as good as the original but it could've been a lot worst. There's enough solid acting, generally good pacing, and presence of tone to offset some of the heavy-handedness of some of the messaging that pops up here and there (and yes, I do mean only some. Certain things touched on and the way they're integrated to the story mirror what was done in the original and I'd say is tasteful all things consider, but there's also a couple blanket statements you'd expect an extremist to make and all the cop-related stuff (which isn't much overall, most of it's in the last segments of Act 3) feels very current-year ACAB/Defund-the-Police kind of stuff), and none of that stuff brings the meat of the story to a grinding halt when it pops up as it's just sprinkled in. Basically it never took me out of the mood of watching the movie for what it essentially is.
If it had a stronger writer and maybe less Peele (some of the lines I referred to sound a bit like things Jordan probably threw in/suggested be added himself), I think it'd be a stronger film. But as-is, yeah, a 7/10 for me.
AlteredForms
Banned
That’s a lot of text and I can’t be bothered reading and addressing all of it. So I’ll say I agree with 70% of it and we agree to disagree on the remaining 30%. And the movie was a classic 6/10.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I thought it was ok to good. I thought it didn't go hard enough on the social message, not that I particularly want a preachy movie but this was pretty muddled on what it was trying to say. They nailed the cinematography and atmosphere, but the story jumped around a little too much. Part of the problem is that Candyman doesn't really speak so we never get an idea of what he is. Is he an avenging spirit or is he an evil legend that becomes real through belief and fear and who kills anyone who calls him? Sure it's a sequel but this Candyman is an extension of the original idea that alters his nature somewhat.
belmarduk
Member
No, the evil in this movie is police brutality and a laundromat owner.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The movie is too vague. You could read it as a cautionary tale about how black people need to let the past go.
Young successful black couple move into a nice new apartment, life is great. Then they get reminded that their lovely new apartment is built on the gentrified remains of the old projects. As they dig deeper into the history and it's injustices, the ghosts of the past start to rise up literally and destroy their lives and minds. Even when directly linked to 3 separate murders sprees with 8 total victims, the police don't consider the black lead a suspect. It is only when another black man obsessed with the past calls the police on him do they show up.
I'm not saying this was at all intended but the movie is so vague that you could realistically make its message anything you want.
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El Pistolero
Banned
I don't know, man. Early reviews for MCU films and socially/politically loaded ones are almost always positive, and yet, I find myself disappointed every single time. I will wait for fans of the original film/fans of horror opinions before investing any time in it. People were praising Get Out like it was the second coming, and I found it quite good at best...definitely not worth a second viewing. As to Us, I could not sit through it...Peel is the new Shyamalan. I digress, sorry...
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TaylorSwiftFan
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Thread title needs an update maybe?
Badlucktroll
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I feel like Jordan Peele could make a good Freddy or Jason movie. Maybe he should be given the reigns to one of those franchises.
Dusktildawn48
Member
I'm sorry I made this thread, This movie was trash. It's all about fuck white people and cops.
Christopher
Member
saved me money
captainraincoat
Banned
Majority black cast ..check
Casual mentions of gentrification and white people make all the ..check
white cops bad..check
Large amount of the deaths are white people..check
unusual amount of positive reviews for a crappy movie like black panther …check
Casual mentions of gentrification and white people make all the ..check
white cops bad..check
Large amount of the deaths are white people..check
unusual amount of positive reviews for a crappy movie like black panther …check
Dusktildawn48
Member
It's something like 14 out of 16 deaths are white people.