I assume this is their power play as well. The optics don't look good. But I dunno if it'll really make them reconsider. If it doesn't at least they have a chance to find other roles rather than stay on a show where they don't get anything on the back end.
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CBS refuses to give Asian stars in Hawaii Five-0 equal pay, they leave
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I assume this is their power play as well. The optics don't look good. But I dunno if it'll really make them reconsider. If it doesn't at least they have a chance to find other roles rather than stay on a show where they don't get anything on the back end.
Angelus Errare
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A show about/set in Hawaii where the "lead characters" are white, and there are no Asian/Hawaiians at all.
Dash_Riprock
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Emma Stone be proud....
Yeah thats what I meant, wrong movie....
lightskintwin
Banned
Emma Stone says "Aloha"...
Neverforget
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Same here, I had to google the other two. DDK was amazing on Lost.
You sum it up pretty well.
Razgriz-Specter
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The main and heavily recurring cast was
2 White
4 Asian(until Masi Oka left)
1 Black
1 Hawaiian(maybe 2 if you count the police chief who appears almost every episode)
1 Hispanic/Latino
They are adding a new female character and going by the name is Hawaiian.... hopefully(though im leaving after this anyway)
Also likely because Park specifically is leaving, Ian Anthony Dale(only remaining Asian of the 4) will probably be dropped as he played her husband.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup and even has a massive hook that lets him out something like 8+ episodes a season compared to O'Loughlin.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
This season was going to be his last.
I didn't know how they'd continue without him but now without all 3 the show is 1000% dead.
No way they can keep the show going when the man synonymous with Hawaii leaves the show.
StopMakingSense
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A lot of the Lost cast had issues on the island, iirc.
PeterLegend
Member
Make a show about Hawaii which has Asian inhabitants, get rid of them.
Now rename the show? lol
Now rename the show? lol
And it's all Desmonds fault.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Why stopping there? some white people don't wanna see non-white people anywhere at all, are you one of those?
n00bsauce87
Member
Feels very sleep hollow-ish tbh
Hawaii is predominantly Hawaiian, or Polynesian. Not asian. Not white.
ShellyDeKiller
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Guys, don't get me wrong.
The main character of the show, the one most of the story revolves around earns 115k.
What would justify having them earning the same as him? Asian or not.
The main character of the show, the one most of the story revolves around earns 115k.
What would justify having them earning the same as him? Asian or not.
Are they getting equal screen time?
QuantumZebra
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Septimus Prime
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I always like to point to Grey's Anatomy as my favorite example. Hospital in Seattle; no Asian doctors.
I think it's a matter of principle. The amount is close, yeah, but why is the network so adamant that it cannot match the white actors' salary?
Marty Chinn
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I don't watch the show but wasn't Sandra Oh in it?
hodayathink
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For a while, but she left and I don't think they've had anyone Asian on the show since.
In the world we live in now, its the same difference.
lightskintwin
Banned
Because the execs don't think they're worth the additional costs it'll add to the shows budget?
Razgriz-Specter
Member
No.
Even the dude that gets to have multiple absences a season in the end likely has much more overall.
However Caan should be far below O'Loughlin regardless.
Mentioned earlier as someone who has watched since S1, the recent seasons screentimes are about:
O'Loughlin >>> Caan > Park > McBride > Kim >>> Garcia
I stand corrected.
I could have sworn those of Polynesian descent were still the plurality, with asian and white following.
Didn't realize the native Hawaiian population had gotten so low.
Still, doesn't change the point that CBS is just being stupid. I only brought up the Hawaiian thing as (in most cases with a minority population) the native people are too often overlooked.
Septimus Prime
Member
Right. And why is that?
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Because they get less screen time and are less crucial to the plots?
They are the two biggest/best known names on the show.
lightskintwin
Banned
I don't know the details behind the scenes to feel comfortable coming to any conclusion, however the optics of it being the Asian American actors definitely doesn't look good.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
I dont watch it but several people have posted theyre on screen much less than the leads. If theys the case they dont warrant the same pay. I dont care because I watched two episodes just because I liked Lost and BSG and it was shit. If theyre actually featured as much as higher earning people they should get the same.
Excuse me, but Scott Caan is a major Hollywood actor with more acting credit than anyone on that show!
He was that one guy in Ocean's series, and Gone in 60 Seconds, and his major breakout hit of Varsity Blues put him on the Map! Which lead to starring roles in such critically acclaimed films as Ready to Rumble with his Co Star DDP and a major role on Entourage who nobody liked.
RDJ has less screen time than other MCU actors in some of the MCU films.
Yet, he usually pulls in more.
To claim it should all be based on screen time (especially when one of the two making more has a limited role) is a fallacy.
This is the most I've laughed all day. You sir, are a master of sarcasm.
lightskintwin
Banned
It's all based on leverage and perception of "value", particularly the perception of "value" execs believe you have.
hodayathink
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First and third, at least according to Google Trends. Grace Park beats both, probably because she's an attractive woman.
This is the most I've laughed all day. You sir, are a master of sarcasm.
Scott Caan is that guy that looks familiar because he's been in that 00's film you saw for 5 minutes, but left no impact.
Grace Park is damn sexy, but I'd also like to point out.
This would be her third highly successful series after Edgemont and BSG. She's been a successful show on Television for 17 years straight.
If she was white, she would have been popping up in films for the past 10 years alongside being the figure head of the show. While Alex O'Loughlin, this is his first highly successful thing. Park definitely put in her dues.
hodayathink
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See, I thought about that, so then I ran one more search and added Tricia Helfer (who has done somewhere close to nothing of note since BSG ended). She still beats out Kim, and it's a toss up between her and Caan.
lightskintwin
Banned
Say what you will but I'm guessing because of this he had more leverage and perception of "value" by the execs in negotiating his salary before the show started.
Looking over it. It seems like she is between Caan and Kim till she gets a spike, corresponding with a new series she starts in. Both in 2014 and 2016.
Oh, I definitely agree. He came from movies. I definitely expected him to get the most right off the bat. And since he starts with the most, it's most likely if they raised Park and Kim, they'd have to raise him too. I can completely see why the studio wouldn't budge for that reason, but at the same time, it's also they do undervalue the other two in comparison to Alex. Who got the role without anything really successful under his belt prior.
Razgriz-Specter
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Hawaii Five-0's main audience is loads of older people who have no clue who they are or watch it for them.
I on the other hand did initially watch for DDK because he was probably my #1 or #2 person on LOST by the end.
Sadly once I noticed how little he matters I just enjoy him while he is there and be happy he has a job.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
It's based on worth, not screen time exclusively. But if they're not featured as much as other people than they're presumably not as valuable. It isn't an overly complex concept. The network isn't going to let them leave if they perceive them to be crucial to the show.
RDJ is a big star who won't work cheap and commands his pay. That's business.
hodayathink
Member
If I had to guess, it's not just a new TV series, but possibly a new magazine spread/article to do promotion for said new series. I'd have to actually check back Maxim/FHM-type magazines/covers to test that hypothesis, though, and I kinda don't feel like it.
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