Cemu Thread: Emulating Wii U Games
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That'd be pretty incredible.
Unknown Soldier
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I don't think any mods regularly follow this thread. If you have a problem with someone, send a PM to a mod.
It's really time we get a "report" button.
It seems you only talk about the games that run on CEMU, but I don't know why you say games like Chariot or TNT don't work on Decaf, and also other games work in recent versions, it is just really difficult to find videos about it.
But for example:
Stick it to the man
Funky burn
Stone Shire
Ascents of Kings
None of them run on CEMU according to its compatibility list and I also haven't found any video showing them partially running.
And I'm stopping here because some of you guys are starting to be very impolite and loosing your manners, as far as I know none of you are CEMU devs who need to defend their business, so please relax a little.
So your only purpose here was to troll and ruin this thread.
Absolutely. As we all know, people who care about the quality of their work live off love and air.
Everyone works differently.
a) They're not begging, this is money they assuredly use to buy food, pay rent, and purchase equipment or supplies as needed, not just go out and have fun with. I really don't know why there is so much fucking shaming going on with regards to the developers raising money for a project they are putting in honest work on.
b) "Going open-source" does not immediately mean that all problems are magically coordinated and solved. It might get certain things worked on faster, but by the end of the day, someone has to coordinate various volunteer efforts and then put all the work together so it functions as a single, cohesive program. They have a workflow that is obviously effective for them, they're working faster than most other emulator efforts have, open source or not. Maybe it'll happen someday, maybe not, but again, it changes the entire workflow.
jediyoshi
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Except there is an open source Wii U emulator currently, and what would you personally describe as the difference between the two in terms of emulation so far? What precisely is the correlation you're painting between quality of work and "begging for money on Patreon"? Are they inherently begging for money by having a Patreon set up?
What exactly is this "good" you're defining? How do you reconcile Dolphin's trajectory with your fanfiction about Cemu's future? What makes you feel that contrary way versus what they've explicitly said about Cemu's own future in terms of its development? How do you feel about open source emulators that also have Patreon accounts?
I dunno man. CEMU has advanced pretty far without being open-source. Back when Dolphin started, we didn't have things like gofundme or Patreon around and therefore needed the help of many. Nowadays anything can be funded even if they don't keep their promises so that is not a problem anymore. These devs are basically working for free and they don't have the resources nor the time to do it (I don't know how many of you know how extremely difficult it is to make an emulator.) They need to put food on their table too and keep their shelter.
Other than funding, what's wrong with an emulator being closed? Does it affect us in any way, shape, or form?
Other than funding, what's wrong with an emulator being closed? Does it affect us in any way, shape, or form?
Blam
Member
The one thing people don't want happening is for CEMU to die because of the developers losing interest.
While I find it completely ridiculous to vilify people for trying to make a living by providing a great product (and made that much clear a few posts above), in the long run there absolutely are significant drawbacks in a closed-source emulator.
The most significant one concerns long-term preservation. With an open source emulator, you can conceivably rather easily port it to any future platform imaginable. With a closed-source emulator distributed in binary form, you might at some point be in the rather silly position of having to emulate the emulator's original execution environment in order to run it.
They lost interest back then because they didn't have money. On everything we do, everything we make, money is what keeps interest. That is why many emulators went open-source for someone to continue it.
I'm really glad that's not universally the case.
Really? So you work for free?
Chinbo37
Member
AHAHHAHA ily Bernardo
Man, you are one awesome person...
I and plenty other people have interests and hobbies they do for fun and don't actually see as work. I'm sad to hear you stop cold whenever you notice it could be work and earn you money but doesn't.
This is how I see it. People are more likely to contribute to an open source project that has a solid foundation to begin with (otherwise I should be able to 'create' an open source Wii U emulator by putting up some skeleton files in GitHub and expect that people would magically start to contribute. Obviously that's not how things work in the real world). I don't see any issue with a couple passionate people doing the work to lay that foundation - even making money doing so - under the assumption that they'll eventually open source it. Personally, my preference is open source, but if it gets there in the end, at least it will be in a position where others will actually feel like putting the effort into improving it.
I do agree with you. However, when those hobbies leave the personal spectrum and into the public one that is where you have to please them, not really you. Its different. Of course there are exceptions especially on emulation but eventually it won't last when it becomes more of a thankless job/hobby.
Jawbreaker
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Holy shit, that game looks hilariously bad.
Not much better on the original hardware either ahahah. You know that little hang-up each time you destroy a block? Yeah, that's present when the game runs on a Wii U too! (not as bad as in here, but still)
Glad to hear we kinda agree. I took issue with your statement that one can only keep interest when money is involved. You touch on the right dangers, going public and then wanting to satisfy the demands, turning an interest into a thankless job. But I don't think money is going to save that interest at that point, it was likely lost at the point where the satisfaction of public feedback superseded the satisfaction of just doing what one interests.
calavera_jo
Neo Member
You can run a Patreon and make your software open source.
These two options aren't mutually exclusive.
These two options aren't mutually exclusive.
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
I bought a Switch for BotW but I'm hoping you guys can provide me with some epic 4K screenshots of the game for my desktop background!
I'd buy the Wii U version and play it on my PC (I have a 970) but emulation has always just felt strange to me, don't know why.
I'd buy the Wii U version and play it on my PC (I have a 970) but emulation has always just felt strange to me, don't know why.
Nope, any controller that your PC recognizes can work.
ahh maybe its because i was trying to use a ps4 controller
LucidMomentum
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That's why I'm excited about this. Portable BotW is amazing, but the visuals in 4K and 60 FPS would be heavenly on my PC.
It almost certainly will not run at 60fps, the game has a 30fps cap.
Would be great if there was a way round it though.
Someone on reddit said the game doesn't have the game speed tied to the framerate and it has double-buffer vsync on. If that is accurate, breaking the vsync somehow by manipulating memory could theoretically work, breaking the 30fps cap.
Of course, that's assuming that post is correct; I have no idea if it's accurate.
It would be great to play a proper 3d Zelda game at 60fps. Here's hoping.
Peterthumpa
Member
I wonder if that isn't reason enough for Nintendo to go after the CEMU creators though.
Hello volunterring and charity work. Not everything in this world is capitalist dude.
As someone who volunteers and does charity work a lot, tis true. (but the world is run by capitalism)
They're not doing anything illegal so why would anyone go after them
Not how it works, Nintendo can't actually do anything to them.
Peterthumpa
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I keep reading about this stuff on how "creating emulators" is not really illegal and etc, but really, when someone or a group of people are actually getting paid, directly reporting to their backers and working specifically on the playable status of a very specific, newly released and critically praised game like BotW, I don't know if this "emulators are not evil" concept can't be legally questioned when there's a clear intention of bypassing the purchase of Nintendo's own hardware (Wii U) that is, in fact, still being sold in a lot of places, and specially when their new hardware's flagship game is exactly the same one being worked on.
Not saying that I'm against CEMU, I'm actually a backer, but CEMU's team is clearly prioritizing Zelda compatibility to attract more Patreon backers, not because they're simply good people. And that's basically making money off a Nintendo IP that is more relevant than ever, selling like hotcakes and driving a new system forward.
It cannot be questioned. This is the precedent that has been set since Sony took the creators of a paid emulator software to court.
Peterthumpa
Member
I'd say it definitely can, back in the Bleem! days, iirc, you'd need the original media anyway. We're living different times, people are actively backing an emulator development to play one of the allegedly best games of all time, definitely the biggest game Nintendo has ever made, and are mostly doing it using pirated copies downloaded from the Internet.
I personally don't believe 90% of times when people say that they have bought the game and because of that, they're legally allowed to "backup" the game data, and thus, how they plan to play it using CEMU. Yeah, sure.
Basketball
Member
How is Bayonetta 2 on cemu ?
Sound is broken and some graphical glicthes, runs fine in 4K other than that.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Try the emulator in steam library (linked) and you can use the PS4 controller with whatever button config, and touch pad setup you can make.
False, Bleem never required the original media. Ironically enough, PSX CD-Rs worked with it because it would be illegal to use Sony's DRM code.
Peterthumpa
Member
Interesting, I don't really remember the Bleem! days. Still, I think that my second point is not totally off the mark though, times have changed. Not that Nintendo would try to do something anyway, but CEMU is sure getting much more attention with Zelda's release.
Consider the following:
The GBA was emulated before the system was even out in the West. Games were pretty small. Even with the bandwidth and speed of those times it was pretty easy and quick to having anyone pirate it in 5 minutes. No action from Nintendo
The DS emulator DesMume was able to play Pokémon White without issues a couple of days after release. No action from Nintendo.
Drastic, a DS emulator for android, the most optimized DS emulator out there, is being sold directly on the Google Play Store. No action from Nintendo.
This shouldn't be needed. I play CEMU with my PS4 Controller without issues not needing any wrappers.