As far as I know Le Monde claims that Turkish authorities told them that she came from Madrid to Istanbul on the 2nd and left for Syria on the 8th. Apparently she had a return ticket for the next day but she obviously didn't use it. Not sure if there is any truth to this though.
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Charlie Hebdo attacks - Hostage situations ended, 4 hostages reportedly killed
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As far as I know Le Monde claims that Turkish authorities told them that she came from Madrid to Istanbul on the 2nd and left for Syria on the 8th. Apparently she had a return ticket for the next day but she obviously didn't use it. Not sure if there is any truth to this though.
ComputerMKII
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She's probably already in Syria. Perhaps she wasn't wanted or on a no-fly list by the time she left France (on January 2)?
Well, if you read the full article, that's actually what the author is saying.
The article is pretty good, the title is just a tad provocative given the context.
Edit: actually, the author just put my mind into words (aside from the parts talking about the US, as I have no idea what he's talking about there).
Charlie wasn't trash. It took a gigantic shit upon every religion, and very funnily so. Their cartoons made a lot of people laugh, and if that offended others, so be it.
Communities getting offended for the tiniest reason every chance they get is what undermines our national unity. People need to relax and have a sense of humour.
One great strip from them :
- Rabbis mutilate jewish children by cutting off the tip of their dicks !
- At least, priests are civilized !
- Yeah right, they don't cut off children's dicks, they just ass rape them !
- Demon !
The perfect Dark
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Didn't find another english source:
http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/suspected-islamic-state-member-arrested-in-western-germany_371456.html
German source: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/terrormiliz-mutmassliches-is-mitglied-in-dinslaken-verhaftet-13363490.html
Not related to Paris attacks but it's good to know they are taking care.
http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/suspected-islamic-state-member-arrested-in-western-germany_371456.html
German source: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/terrormiliz-mutmassliches-is-mitglied-in-dinslaken-verhaftet-13363490.html
Not related to Paris attacks but it's good to know they are taking care.
ComputerMKII
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fastford58
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Is this some sort of borderline victim blaming?
RustyNails
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Is there any way of capturing her if she slipped to Syria?
What?
DiipuSurotu
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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will both be at the demonstration tomorrow in Paris.
ComputerMKII
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Palette Swap
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This is huge. So much international support is heartwarming.
Security is going to be nuts.
Security is going to be nuts.
What? With what reasoning? I may not know much about Hamas, but that strikes me as weird.
alexthekid
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I keep seeing rantings about Charlie Hebdo being homophobic but no actual cartoons that points in that direction.
I keep seeing racist to and I am not convinced about that either. Help anyone?
I keep seeing racist to and I am not convinced about that either. Help anyone?
ComputerMKII
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In a statement published in French, they "insist that differences in opinions and thoughts cannot justify murder."
That said, they didn't mention the hostage taking at the Kosher grocery store.
I think it's just oversensitive people who think calling people "enculé" is homophobic
maquiladora
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Just people trying to grasp for some kind of justification for why unarmed civilians were murdered in cold blood for drawing satirical cartoons.
Pathetic.
There is no justification, there is no fucking grey area.
The perfect Dark
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they also don't like ISIS. Hamas isn't really primarily religiously motivated and they really don't want to be painted with that brush so it makes sense to me that they would denounce this.
Charlie Hebdo is neither homophobic nor racist. The only gay-related thing I can recall being published in Charlie was a Brokeback Mountain joke by Siné, years ago.
alexthekid
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Actually they arent really using it as a justification, but made up shit still feels deeply unsensetive to the victims.
ComputerMKII
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They should kiss if they really want to honor the Charlie Hebdo spirit.
Ah ok, thank you. Well, it's something.
Sure, nobody likes ISIS, but ISIS. But I was surprised regardless, especially with the Kosher supermarket involved.
alexthekid
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Okok, the only gay related thing I have seen is the one below:
Exactly, it is the complete opposite.Homophobic ?
One of their most famous front pages :
Love, stronger than hatred.
The perfect Dark
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I don't think that's what he implies... He just says that many people are supporting Charlie Hebdo and would have a different opinion in different circonstances. Which is most probably true (although the campus reference is not very good, since it's running on public funds).
Even if I'm definitively not fond of the journal, I don't think it's trash, though. And definitively not racist (especially knowing some of the guys there), like some people think based on a couple of drawings. Deliberately provocative, yes, secularist, definitively. But as long as they stick to legality (which they do, they won nearly all their trials), I'm fine with this. I just don't read it.
Ho yeah sorry, I should have been more specific: I meant "the only thing that made fun of gay people" (and even then, it was super mild and light-hearted).
Always-honest
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Ehh, why did you quote me?
Edit: never mind . You deleted.
That's very interesting. And symbolic.
Very good. Together and united we should all stand against violence. Very symbolic.
Well, I hope 2200 will be enough...
Half of the most important people in Europe will be there, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be responsible for the security planning...
Those are only policemen. I am sure every leader brings his own bodyguard and security personnel. French Special Units will probably on alert too.
I don't know if it was posted already (I haven't seen it), but now things are clear with what happened at the print shop (and answering my previous question in this thread). There were actually 2 people inside with the terrorists. The owner (Michel) and an employee and when the terrorists arrived (ringing at the door!) the owner told the employee to hide. Also he confirms the story with the supplier that met the terrorists. So that's why police didn't assault immediately, because they had a hostage (and another one was inside unknown to them). Even after Michel was released, police knew there is someone else inside (and probably that's why was no information of the release of Michel, to keep the guy inside safe). Meanwhile the hole madness at the shop happened and they had to synchronize. Now everything makes perfect sense.
The story is here.
The story is here.
I like parts of what this guy has to say about it:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...cal_magazine_is_heroic_it_is_also_racist.html
Note he mentions how obviously racist they were. I don't think he's alone in thinking that. Or about some of their other drawings.
Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, The Associated Press all refused to reprint said cartoons, despite a massacre occurring in response to them. From the first two (in the same order):
Can you point to the racist drawings? One at list.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...d-avoir-donne-trop-d-informations_tv?start=16
HOLY SHIT ...
The wife of one of the supermarket hostages accuses BFMTV (french most popular news channel) of giving too much information during the siege.
"(...) You made a BIG BIG mistake BFMTV because you were live with the people who were hiding in the cold-storage chamber. They told you there were 6 of them and a baby and 2 minutes later you leaked that information on your channel, and the terrorist was watching your channel ! Luckily he didn't notice the banner at the bottom or my husband and the other 5 people would have been killed by him. He was persuaded that no one was hiding down there. And you leaked that 5 people and a baby were there ! "
Omg ...
I don't know what to say ...
HOLY SHIT ...
The wife of one of the supermarket hostages accuses BFMTV (french most popular news channel) of giving too much information during the siege.
"(...) You made a BIG BIG mistake BFMTV because you were live with the people who were hiding in the cold-storage chamber. They told you there were 6 of them and a baby and 2 minutes later you leaked that information on your channel, and the terrorist was watching your channel ! Luckily he didn't notice the banner at the bottom or my husband and the other 5 people would have been killed by him. He was persuaded that no one was hiding down there. And you leaked that 5 people and a baby were there ! "
Omg ...
I don't know what to say ...
ComputerMKII
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She has a point.
BaronLundi
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What the fuck does sleeper cells activated mean exactly ? Let me read.
cnn said:
Bwahaha.
This guy is a fraud and a specialist of absolutely nothing. He's been exposed times and times and again very recently.
But strangely they haven't condemned the mindless killings in Vincennes. Probably just a mistake or maybe time difference? Can't imagine any other reason really.
ComputerMKII
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It might be the case that the declaration of Hamas was done before yesterday's sieges. I remember seeing it quite soon after the attack, but I can't say for sure that it was before the sieges.
Edit: not that I expect for them to care about the Jewish victims.
Edit: not that I expect for them to care about the Jewish victims.
BaronLundi
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Yes this is huge. And I thought she was pretty calm and composed. I would have lost it in her situation. I hope freaking BFM gets the shitstorm it deserves. Same with the guy who announced on TV there was someone hidden in the printing factory...
Nah, it's from late today. Totally deliberate. And expected. And sad.
That's impossible, I saw the declaration on video on BBC or Euronews. And I didn't watch today the news as I had other things to do. So it was yesterday, I just can't remember if it was early in the morning (so probably from the day before) or in the afternoon.
Edit: I see, they released today in French a press info. Then it's deliberate.
FlyingSaucer
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Making fun of a religion is racist ?
The Hooded Utilitarian article linked in the Slate article is shocking : no, not all the editorial staff was WHITE : the corrector, Mustapha Ourad, was Algerian. El Watan has published an article about him, if somebody could be so kind as to send a translation to M. Canfield.
^He discusses part of what makes it racists in the link.
You mean the original cartoons that wouldn't be published in respected newspapers? They're a few years old, I doubt they'd be hard to find.
If you'd like something by Charlie Hebdo you may more readily identify as racist:
http://i.imgur.com/emFtfYi.jpg
You mean the original cartoons that wouldn't be published in respected newspapers? They're a few years old, I doubt they'd be hard to find.
If you'd like something by Charlie Hebdo you may more readily identify as racist:
http://i.imgur.com/emFtfYi.jpg
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