Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event




What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having 1 major platform that now leans right compared to all the others who lean left is not something I'm gonna complain about. In a perfect world I would want everything to be fair, but in this one, the other side wants to push graphic lgbt propaganda on elementary school kids so fuck fairness, whatever it takes to get rid of that. When the western world is back to normal then we can worry about steering too far to the right.
 
Another left wing would-be assassin, Ryan Routh, has been found guilty on all charges. He tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen after being found guilty and couldn't even assassinate himself. Total failure.
 
Another left wing would-be assassin, Ryan Routh, has been found guilty on all charges. He tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen after being found guilty and couldn't even assassinate himself. Total failure.
Might have saved us all a couple million bucks had they just stood back and let him do it. But for the sake of the janitor, I guess they had to step in :P
 
Well.....think we have to keep in mind that we are only talking about individuals who identify themselves as antifa. Not sure how they would track funds when there is no single entity here to accept money. Public gatherings and advertising is free speech. The President cannot take that away with executive orders. Not to the individuals or publications, sites, etc. Not unless a crime has been committed. If those assisting can be charged with aiding and abetting then sure, but there must be a crime.

I'm wary of designating entire swaths of people as "terrorists" because they adhere to an ideology. That's just wrong. Thankfully, we have laws that can take the wind out of the sails of overzealous executive orders.

If this order sticks then entire swaths of people will be "terrorists" so I do see the concern here. Is free speech a guaranteed right for terrorists? (I'm not American and am asking genuinely - just getting that out there since I know this has the potential to be a very heated subject). I ask 'cause this order condemns them as such. My thought is that if it's not struck down as unconstitutional, it's possible that this will happen:

The U.S. government does not currently officially designate solely domestic groups as terrorist organizations in large part because of constitutional protections.

But a Justice Department official with knowledge of discussions on the issue said Trump's order would unlock expansive investigative and surveillance authorities and powers.

The person, who declined to be named, said the designation would allow the U.S. government to more closely track the finances and movements of U.S. citizens and to investigate any foreign ties of the loose network of groups and nonprofits the Trump administration views as antifa.

The FBI's Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence Divisions will be used to track finances - both domestic and foreign sources of funding - and attempt to identify the central leadership of antifa, the official said. FBI surveillance and investigative operations are normally restricted in how they can target U.S. citizens.

"The big picture focus is on foreign money seeding U.S. politics and drawing connections to foreign bank accounts," a White House source familiar with the plans told Reuters.

"The designation of antifa gives us the authority to subpoena banks, look at wire transfers, foreign and domestic sources of funding, that kind of thing," the White House source said.

Source. (bold text mine)

The article itself paints this as an attack on left-wing groups, and maybe it is, but it would also give the government quite a bit more authority when dealing with any individuals or groups who identify as Antifa. I think the potential identifying of funding (if it exists) is relevant and worth pursuing, but the concerns about free speech (freedom of thought, really) are relevant too. I suppose it all depends on whether this order can withstand the legal challenges it will face and, if it does, I expect it will have a noticeable impact on the Antifa movement.
 
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Trump declares Antifa a terrorist organisation.

The media:



"Duh..what is Antifa?"


We're definitely going to go through a run of "hOw cAn YOu bAn aN iDEa? aNtiFA iS jUst an iDea" claims now.

Let's see. Can you interview an idea? Does an idea have a home base? A uniform? Does it march down the street armed up and ready to intimidate?

 

Google has now joined Facebook in admitting it was pressured to censor legal speech by the Biden regime.

I remember this after Trump's first win. The stories of Google staffers saying that they had to keep their joy over the win quiet because it went firmly against the companies view points.

 
Another left wing would-be assassin, Ryan Routh, has been found guilty on all charges. He tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen after being found guilty and couldn't even assassinate himself. Total failure.
Maybe he's just a very literal man. The judge was like "straight to the pen!" and he was like "oh, okay, I was wish I wasn't straight".
 
The executive order specifically addresses illegal activities, not legal activities. If those illegal activities are being carried out by (or involving) the terrorist organization Antifa, it essentially directs the feds to investigate it. It directs this especially in the case of terrorist acts, which will potentially apply to a lot of Antifa's illegal activity because the intent is often to intimidate and coerce, as they often freely admit.

It does not seek to restrict anyone's free speech; it seeks to prevent Antifa continuing to restrict the free speech of others.

Forming a mob to intimidate or physically prevent conservative speakers from speaking becomes a different prospect if you are going to have the federal government all over you, compared to some local leftist DA who a) supports what you are doing and b) may be funded by the same people your terrorist group is.
 

Google has now joined Facebook in admitting it was pressured to censor legal speech by the Biden regime.
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What's that mean? More independents identifying as Republicans? How is that different from a response bias?
Response bias is something like Kamala after she was installed & how all these public polls had her up by 2-5 nationally when her own internals showed that Trump was leading her in all the battleground states. It was response bias because Dems after the DNC were much more willing to pick up calls from pollsters & tell them they're voting for her which skewed how pollsters collected that data.

He seems to be saying independents are switching to R in party identification, probably makes sense given the trends since last year.
 
If this order sticks then entire swaths of people will be "terrorists" so I do see the concern here. Is free speech a guaranteed right for terrorists? (I'm not American and am asking genuinely - just getting that out there since I know this has the potential to be a very heated subject). I ask 'cause this order condemns them as such. My thought is that if it's not stuck down as unconstitutional, it's possible that this will happen:





Source. (bold text mine)

The article itself paints this as an attack on left-wing groups, and maybe it is, but it would also give the government quite a bit more authority when dealing with any individuals or groups who identify as Antifa. I think the potential identifying of funding (if it exists) is relevant and worth pursuing, but the concerns about free speech (freedom of thought, really) are relevant too. I suppose it all depends on whether this order can withstand the legal challenges it will face and, if it does, I expect it will have a noticeable impact on the Antifa movement.

Yes, all American citizens have free speech even if they are a part of antifa. This executive order doesn't give any agency legal powers that they didn't already have. Doesn't take any Constitutionally protected rights away from anyone either. The President doesn't have that power. This is a directive to allocate resources to investigate members of antifa engaged in illegal activities. If they break laws while identifying themselves as antifa then they just painted a big federal target on their back. I think the good thing about this is that, from what I understand, antifa tends to thrive in areas where local enforcement isn't exactly strict. So if they commit illegal activities then their chances of being prosecuted for them just went up. But, at the same time, these people still have all the legal protections of anyone else, even if they are accused. Better have a good lawyer though.
 
This seems to be because of Charlie Kirk's murder.


I wonder what the show is like and if they're going to edit stuff from it.


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Maybe they should rework the series and make it about someone who infiltrates the furry trans ResetEra gaming community in order to prevent Antifa terrorism
 
Another left wing would-be assassin, Ryan Routh, has been found guilty on all charges. He tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen after being found guilty and couldn't even assassinate himself. Total failure.
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Yeah bro this guy is totally your standard left wing. This same guy who voted for Trump in 2016, expressed support for Vivek (lol) and Nikki Hailey (also big lol) recently
 
This seems to be because of Charlie Kirk's murder.


I wonder what the show is like and if they're going to edit stuff from it.
I mostly enjoy apples content... but when i see aging not so popular actress with an inflated ego role it usually ends up being shit.

Im assuming she'll have producer credits and 80% of each episode is basically all her and the camera is centered directly on her at all times 🤣 oh and plenty of close-ups of her face, to prove shes such a good actress still
 
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One of the most accurate pollsters from 2024.



I imagine he's being honest, but it's too early to make a lasting generalization about that at this point.

Why? Because a number of independents are already "Republican-leaning". Some are semi-reliable (R) voters, in practice, but simply didn't like to say it out loud.

If they're coming out and saying it in public right now, then it's really a change in terms of communication of preferences rather than a change in voter behavior.

Conversely, other independents are "Democrat-leaning" at the end of the day. I'd doubt there's going to be much movement in that area, exceptions aside, because the current administration is ultra-partisan and not trying to find any common ground.

Other than the GOP giving you applause for being "one of the good ones" and leaving the left, they're not going to offer any compromises in terms of public policy. If you're shocked by the death of Charlie Kirk but you would like a more liberal policy in terms of economics, abortion, gun control, relations with Israel or immigration, what's Trump going to do for you? It's all about giving the Trump base more red meat, one way or another, rather than offering up anything that a left-leaning voter would actually want.

Those swings would become rather precarious and unreliable, as other data was/is already starting to show with 2024 Trump voters in certain demographics.

In the end, "independent" is a label that contains numerous sub-divisions, rather than one size fits all.

Furthermore, you'd have to account for recency bias. You'll get different results if you ask about party identification now than if you ask the question, say, one month before the elections.
 
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Yeah bro this guy is totally your standard left wing. This same guy who voted for Trump in 2016, expressed support for Vivek (lol) and Nikki Hailey (also big lol) recently
He didn't vote for Trump in 2016. He requested an absentee ballot and did not cast a vote.

 
This seems to be because of Charlie Kirk's murder.


I wonder what the show is like and if they're going to edit stuff from it.

While reviews are embargoed, the Irish Independent's Pat Stacey called The Savant "a thriller depicting the ugliness of white supremacist extremism in the United States". The trailer also features threats of "a coordinated mass attack" and words on-screen mention that between 1994 and 2020, there were 893 extremist attacks in America.

I think this gives a good general idea of what the show is like. I suppose a balanced look into extremism would be too hard - much easier to just focus on race.
 
Forming a mob to intimidate or physically prevent conservative speakers from speaking
and this is exactly the kind of thing that needs a crackdown... it's absurd to pretend we can sit back and accept a world where a mob tries to disrupt peaceful right-wing speaking events. We need much stronger teeth for law enforcement to be able to bust up groups harassing events, rapidly and with force. I feel the same about riots -- allowing lawless destruction, looting, and burning is unacceptable, and no political cause makes it okay. Give a fair warning, then send in armed troops rapidly if they don't desist. We're tired of this nonsense of pretending political violence, destruction, and intimidation can just get a pass instead of a jail cell or a bullet if you violently resist the cops.
 
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We still haven't forgot about you, Iryna. Her video and images have haunted me in the past couple of weeks.

Back to back event of Iryna and Charlie video took me out cold for a couple of days

I'm done bargaining and trying to reconcile with democrats. We're in this to win



 
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This seems to be because of Charlie Kirk's murder.


I wonder what the show is like and if they're going to edit stuff from it.


They're just shocked and surprised that the reality is the violent extremists actually come from the left. And that doesn't fit with their show narrative, …..so oops i guess they may have to re-work the dialogue
 
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And if this was censorship......since when do folks get to change their mind about being censored?

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To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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So honest question, what makes Antifa a terrorist organization compared to other groups like gang affiliations, proud boys, or even the KKK? Wouldn't any group doing harm to people different from them or their ideas be on the table to be classified as said terrorist group.
 
To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension.
That isn't why he said any of that. Why he said it is pretty clear if you think about it a bit. He's just trying to show their complete lack of impartiality while at the same time getting a little more traction out of what would normally be a total nothing story about a show that nobody watches (that the FCC clearly didn't censor or ban). That story from Google today should give you all you need to know that you haven't been being told the whole truth.
 
To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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I'm sure it'll be fine if some ABC executive shows up in his office and offers a golden trophy as tribute to the Don. Because, you know, that's how the game is played these days.
 
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That isn't why he said any of that. Why he said it is pretty clear if you think about it a bit. He's just trying to show their complete lack of impartiality while at the same time getting a little more traction out of what would normally be a total nothing story about a show that nobody watches (that the FCC clearly didn't censor or ban). That story from Google today should give you all you need to know that you haven't been being told the whole truth.
I could have read Topher Topher post out of context for sure. If that's the case, my point stands in its own. It's clearly an attempt to censor ABC and Jimmy. He is quite literally threatening them for airing the show
 
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