Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

ThatOneGrunt said:
That's not an option for some households. What do you do then?
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Not sure what you mean. Obviously its not a 100% thing. Are there people that should not be fathers? Yes, there are all kinds of deadbeat pieces of shit out there. Can a home lose a father, just like the Kirk family did today? Yes it can. But I think a majority of fatherless homes are chosen that way because a lot of young women are made to believe that they don't need a man. I hope that is something that changes, because we do need each other.
 
Boo Who? said:
I still love that people who showed up with no guns were going to "overthrow" the government. Cracks me up every time this is said.
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Why are guns a requirement?

Their goal was to prevent the certification of the election and pressure Pence into overturning the election results.

5 Capitol officers died as a result. 1 had a stroke the day after and 4 other committed suicide in the following months.

Physical damage by the attempted occupation exceeded $2.5M.
 
Boo Who? said:
I agree. The complicated equation starts with, IMO, the US government encouraging fatherless homes with handouts. I also think that it absolutely sucks most homes that do have two parents, have to have both parents work to make ends meet. This is not good for the children.
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Like I said, that's only one variable and an overly simplistic one.

As Gexxy1 Gexxy1 posted, the murder rate has been going down in America even though single-parent households are at their highest, and it's nowhere near the peak murder rate during the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

Gexxy1 said:
It was 0.14 per 100K in 1996 (gun related only), the year prior to banning handguns. In the USA that same year, it was 12.94 per 100K.

My point was even before the UK banned guns, their murder rate was far lower than ours. For similar reasons, I pointed out that there are multiple subgroups in the USA that own less guns but have higher rates of murder.

Also, murder rates in the USA have been trending down (outside of the covid jump), despite more advanced weapons being available:


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DownLikeBCPowder said:
Agree that it is strange - not sure why foreign intelligence would have data on this, but guess we will see what unravels.
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i suppose i misread it as "foreign intelligence was involved in the shooting", which it doesn't quite say. but you and i are on the same page. why would another country care about this or have info?
 
L*][*N*K said:
Cheery picking the line here and out of context there, you know all of you right wingers would defend the gunman right now if it was a school full of kids he shot but when the mouthpiece of the aryan nation get shot you just expect us to shut up and light a candle and pray for his family don't you?, honestly I think this is wrong I don't think anyone should die like this but he died in a way he was facilitating so it is not that tragic.
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L*][*N*K said:
He said word for word that he is okay with some deaths as long as he can keep the 2nd amendment to protect his other god given rights, explain to me exactly how am I misrepresenting this issue here Master Debater??
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His debates were not pragmatic; they were not meant to "solve" any issue or reach an understanding. He was using the "Prove Me Wrong" tagline; they were merely philosophical, ideological, rhetorical, and political exercises to "win arguments."
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
What are the odds the suspect gets away?
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Impossible to say for sure but a lot of areas have CCTV. I'm sure they're pouring over all of it until they can get video of the person on camera and once they do they can follow that person for a while as long as they keep getting cctv footage from businesses and institutions in the area. And once they do that, not to mention all the footage that will be coming in from people at the event, I think it's likely eventually they get an image the suspect and once they release that to the public tons of tips will be coming in.

And who knows the person may even come forward and want credit for it at some point. If they haven't already offed themselves which is possible too and I'm hoping isn't the case so they can be made to face justice and see the damage they've caused in court.
 
Avid Reading Horse said:
Hi, you seem to be confused as to what an analogy is. It's actually a comparison of two things that aren't the same, but have something in common. So, it's not surprising that a gun isn't a mode of transportation, because the point of the analogy isn't that you can ride a gun to the next town over and see your meemaw. The point of the analogy is to illustrate another context in which we as a society have deemed a similar loss in life to be a necessary tradeoff.
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But in that analogy the 2 things are so wildly different it fails to make any reasonable point.
 
L*][*N*K said:
Cheery picking the line here and out of context there, you know all of you right wingers would defend the gunman right now if it was a school full of kids he shot but when the mouthpiece of the aryan nation get shot you just expect us to shut up and light a candle and pray for his family don't you?, honestly I think this is wrong I don't think anyone should die like this but he died in a way he was facilitating so it is not that tragic.
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I'm not American, I don't live in America. So there is no point in trying to frame me as defending Kirk politically, I was pointing out how and why your post was inaccurate, retarded, and encouraging you to have basic human decency. Dismissing his assassination the way you did crosses into dehumanisation.
 
phant0m said:
Why are guns a requirement?

Their goal was to prevent the certification of the election and pressure Pence into overturning the election results.

5 Capitol officers died as a result. 1 had a stroke the day after and 4 other committed suicide in the following months.

Physical damage by the attempted occupation exceeded $2.5M.
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I think a bunch of gullible people got duped into doing something stupid and an unarmed woman was shot (you forgot to mention that in your bullet points). The speaker of the house refused extra security that the president recommended. The intelligence agencies, as far as I know, have also not said how many "operatives" they had in the crowds that day. IMO, it should have been zero, but that was never an answer they gave. FBI, CIA, etc have been doing shady shit for decades, and they did shady shit that day as well. They had a president killed, another impeached, helped create false narratives about a sitting president, God knows what else. Don't even get me started about tomorrow's anniversary.
 
TheChadOfGaming said:
woke retard dev at sony celebrating
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MSNBC already fired Matthew Dowd over this, and I suspect more will follow.

People are slowly realising this isn't just some 'far right' YouTuber they didn't like, he's a Trump ally who was instrumental in laying groundwork for his campaign. Publicly celebrating Kirk's death is not a smart thing to be doing.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
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nij.ojp.gov

What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism.
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wayback machine because I bet DOJ takes down that page real soon

Since 1990, far-right extremists have carried out 227 ideologically motivated homicides, resulting in more than 520 deaths.

In contrast, far-left extremists were responsible for 42 such attacks, with 78 deaths.
 
Saber said:
These people throwing those heartless commentaries are inhumanes. Humanity fail on them.
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I feel the same way but I also feel the same way about the people that are celebrating Luigi Mangione. It also saddens me that there was another high school shooting today but those barely register on news cycles anymore. I guess people like to pick and choose which deaths are tragic, which are deserved and which do not even matter.
 
L*][*N*K said:
Cheery picking the line here and out of context there, you know all of you right wingers would defend the gunman right now if it was a school full of kids he shot but when the mouthpiece of the aryan nation get shot you just expect us to shut up and light a candle and pray for his family don't you?, honestly I think this is wrong I don't think anyone should die like this but he died in a way he was facilitating so it is not that tragic.
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What right winger has defended a gunman that killed kids. You seem to lack any sense of reason. Gun ownership as with all rights do not cease to exist because people abuse those rights heinously.

I think you are dancing on his grave.

Charlie Kirk never advocated for a pure society or aryan nation. He advocated for people to follow Christ, respect each other and for traditional conservative principles. You may not like those and that is fine but calling him a NAZI in subtle clever ways illustrates your own ignorance.
 
delirium trigger said:
Way too many people cheering on public assassinations lately. The dregs of society.
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American society is in a very bad place right now. Nobody outside of the very wealthy is happy, the vast majority of people are struggling with rising costs, a poor job market, outrage at everything all the time.

Everyone is more eager to point blame and make the "other" side look bad than figure out how to fucking fix it.

Boo Who? said:
I think a bunch of gullible people got duped into doing something stupid and an unarmed woman was shot (you forgot to mention that in your bullet points). The speaker of the house refused extra security that the president recommended. The intelligence agencies, as far as I know, have also not said how many "operatives" they had in the crowds that day. IMO, it should have been zero, but that was never an answer they gave. FBI, CIA, etc have been doing shady shit for decades, and they did shady shit that day as well. They had a president killed, another impeached, helped create false narratives about a sitting president, God knows what else. Don't even get me started about tomorrow's anniversary.
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On that we can definitely agree. And honestly? If who ever this attacker was ends up dead before trial I would have a *lot* of questions.
 
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