Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

EviLore said:
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he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.

Just look at how Bush handled 9/11 and we as a nation came out of it stronger than ever. Now of course he used that unity to get us into a needless war with Iraq but that was textbook how a leader heals a country after a devastating attack. Trump on the other and immediately blamed the left before any evidence, and it reverberated across social media leading to some of the most divisive rhetoric ive ever seen on the internet.
 
VaultBoy101 said:
Certain people were licking their chops in the hope that it would be a minority they could further demonize. Nope, just another young white dude radicalized by social media and other online discourse.

Now the discourse and headlines around this incident will fade away within a week, tops.
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Maybe some people sure, but as a whole, I haven't really seen many posts about skin color or minority status, except for that BS report about trans ideology being put on the bullet. Everyone was assuming his political ideology, considering this was a targeted assassination of a public political figure.....
 
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DownLikeBCPowder said:
Lot of minimizing going on in here.
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Edit: No idea who "TimcastNews" is, BTW, just posted for the first photo.
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Antifa out there still thinking they aren't the fascists.
 
Still crazy that it was a demented furry from 4chan and yet everyone is eager to pin it on left or right, bros, it's 4chan and he's a furry, that's one hell of an offshoot from the norm
 
DownLikeBCPowder said:
Lot of minimizing going on in here.
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Edit: No idea who "TimcastNews" is, BTW, just posted for the first photo.
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That's Tim Pool he's one of the biggest political YouTubers and now Rumble. He usually verifies what he report as news. But on his personal account he likes to troll on Twitter!

But this seems to be true.
 
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MikeM said:
What I find interesting, as a non- American, that the Kirk assassination is wildly more talked about then the shooting at the Colorado school on the same day.

My FB feed is full of those with their thoughts on Kirk, but I have seen maybe one post about the Colorado school shooting.
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First time I'm hearing it but I think the shock factor of Charlie Kirk assassination made a more powerful impact that it basically took over my news feed.
 
SlimySnake said:
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.

Just look at how Bush handled 9/11 and we as a nation came out of it stronger than ever. Now of course he used that unity to get us into a needless war with Iraq but that was textbook how a leader heals a country after a devastating attack. Trump on the other and immediately blamed the left before any evidence, and it reverberated across social media leading to some of the most divisive rhetoric ive ever seen on the internet.
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So as long as you say the right things after a crisis, you go down as a positive example in the history books--even if you used said crisis as justification to invade a sovereign nation and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths?
 
SlimySnake said:
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.
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Don't forget the time he, for no reason, felt the need to mention that his tower was the 2nd tallest, but now is the tallest, when talking about 9/11 shortly afterward.

Also in the same interview he says "i was disappointed when they announced they're closing the stock exchange, at some point you have to say 'to hell with it'"

 
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Hardensoul said:
Totally not true! There were no charges and the main person Lauren Chen was not charged either! More misinformation spread about it than truths! 🤷‍♂️
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The two Russians were charged, he said he was just a poor victim and did not know that it was Russian money. Said it on Twitter himself.



www.justice.gov

Two RT Employees Indicted for Covertly Funding and Directing U.S. Company that Published Thousands of Videos in Furtherance of Russian Interests

An indictment charging Russian nationals Kostiantyn Kalashnikov, 31, also known as Kostya, and Elena Afanasyeva, 27, also known as Lena, with conspiracy to violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) and conspiracy to commit money laundering was unsealed today in the Southern District of...
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Kalashnikov and Afanasyeva both of Russia, are charged with conspiracy to violate FARA, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, and conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. If convicted, a federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
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StreetsofBeige said:
Not surprisingly, it's a white guy.

If there's one consistent thing about USA mass shootings, politicians getting shot/killed or any other splashy violent event trying to make a statement it's pretty much almost always white guys.

It makes sense it's basically never a woman because they dont do a lot of crime, especially really violent ones.
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thats because the vast majority of the u,s population is white. something like 70-75%. the actual numbers are low compared to the population splits. 53% of mass shooters are white. 21% are black. then hispanic 9, asian 7, middle eastern 4% to round it off. Percentage wise, whites are lower. asians, blacks and middle eastern are represented a bit higher than their population percentage might suggest.

It's a countrywide problem. It's not a major issue in other western countries. Even in countries with lax gun laws. my guess is that our society breads this kind of loner male.
StreetsofBeige said:
But when it comes to school shootings or politicians getting involved, it's white male adult, or white male student. And almost always from small towns. I dont think you get too many big shooting events like this in New York City or hugely populated cities, which you'd think would the norm based on population density and lots of crime in metro areas. But it always seems to skew to the outskirts or some rural kind of town with big fields or a shooting in a giant high school.
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big cities like NYC and chicago (went to school in both cities) have a fairly robust police presence. my schools had metal detectors, and cops on every floor. my brother once got picked up by a cop because he was late to school and couldnt enter because all doors were locked shut so he decided to wait in the tennis courts outside and they thought he was a drug dealer. lol

i was shocked to see how lax the security was when i moved to ohio. cops wouldnt even monitor school speeding zone instead of parking outside. and i live in a fairly big city. Austin, Texas is also a big city and same thing. Zero security. i just walked in with my friend. Didnt even have to get buzzed in like i do in ohio.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Not surprisingly, it's a white guy.

If there's one consistent thing about USA mass shootings, politicians getting shot/killed or any other splashy violent event trying to make a statement it's pretty much almost always white guys.
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Report Highlights: Black and white males, excluding gang violence, have the highest rates of mass shootings among demographic groups, with 0.09 incidents per 100,000 people.

  • White Americans committed 53% of the 195 mass shootings between 1966 and 2024.
  • Black Americans committed 21% of all targeted mass public shootings between 1966 and 2024.
  • Across all racial groups, 98% of mass shooters are male, with no female mass shooters reported among Asians and Latinos.
 
Aesius said:
So as long as you say the right things after a crisis, you go down as a positive example in the history books--even if you used said crisis as justification to invade a sovereign nation and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths?
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it's not binary. he did something right in 2001, and something very wrong in 2003.
 
wa600 said:
That halloween costume was from 2017. How old was he then? 14? You think every person has the exact same political belief when he is 14 years as well when he is 22 years old?
Wouldnt even call that 'dressed up as Trump' because he is not Trump on that photo, he is riding on Trump. How do we even know what his thoughts were when chosing that costume? Personally I have no idea, but you clearly know that he was trying to express that he was a huge Trump fanboy back then.
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That was my whole point.
I pointed out superficial things about him that could point to him being conservative in response to users calling him an extreme leftist over equally superficial evidence and then ended my point with "Overall, he was described as not very political."
 
mileslongthe3rd said:
The two Russians were charged, he said he was just a poor victim and did not know that it was Russian money. Said it on Twitter himself.



www.justice.gov

Two RT Employees Indicted for Covertly Funding and Directing U.S. Company that Published Thousands of Videos in Furtherance of Russian Interests

An indictment charging Russian nationals Kostiantyn Kalashnikov, 31, also known as Kostya, and Elena Afanasyeva, 27, also known as Lena, with conspiracy to violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) and conspiracy to commit money laundering was unsealed today in the Southern District of...
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So that's your play! Oh, they took Russia money, like they are Russians! But not because they are victims?

You're spreading half truths to demonized them!
 
YCoCg said:
What's a Groyper anyway? Seen it mentioned multiple times in regards to the shooter.
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More extreme right wing. Groypers don't like media like "turning points" (Charlie Kirk) because they don't promote America First ideals.

The stretch here is Groypers are further right. "Fascists". This guy has multiple links to being anti-fascist. So the only way he could be truly a groyper, is if the anti-fascist stuff is all false flags. But you then have to assume that it's all false flags. I'm not about to take that leap, personally.
 
SlimySnake said:
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.
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If you watch the full clip (always be skeptical of 26 second clips) he's clearly referring to the difference he perceives between the radical right and the radical left. He's absolutely not saying he doesn't care about fixing the country.

The clip was edited purposefully to remove context and enrage people who are susceptible.
 
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YCoCg said:
What's a Groyper anyway? Seen it mentioned multiple times in regards to the shooter.
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Nick Fuentes' people. They've been at war with Charlie Kirk and other conservative commentators. Ive been really upset at twitter for a while now for constantly trying to feed me his white supremacist propaganda. bitched about it several times here.

From chatgpt:

A Groyper is a term used to describe a loosely connected group of far-right internet activists, mostly known for promoting white nationalist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+, and ultranationalist views—often under the guise of "traditional" American or Christian values. The group primarily operates online but has also attempted to influence real-world conservative politics.



🔹 Origins


  • The term "Groyper" comes from a variation of the meme Pepe the Frog—specifically an image of a more slouched, smug-looking Pepe.
  • The "Groyper Army" rose to prominence around 2019, led by Nick Fuentes, a far-right political commentator and founder of the "America First" movement.
  • They first gained attention by ambushing mainstream conservative events, like those hosted by Turning Point USA, asking loaded questions to challenge establishment conservatism.


🔹 Beliefs & Ideology


Groypers typically express:


  • White nationalist or identitarian beliefs (though they often deny the label publicly)
  • Opposition to immigration (especially non-European)
  • Anti-globalism and conspiracy theories (e.g., "great replacement" theory)
  • Anti-Semitic tropes, including Holocaust denial or minimization
  • Anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric
  • Support for a Christian nationalist vision of America
 
This whole tragedy has been incredibly eye-opening to me concerning the American left. Like incredibly eye-opening. Almost like someone took a mask off I didn't even know he wore.
 
YCoCg said:
Still crazy that it was a demented furry from 4chan and yet everyone is eager to pin it on left or right, bros, it's 4chan and he's a furry, that's one hell of an offshoot from the norm
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The political side of the shooter was edgelord :messenger_grinning_sweat:

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Good on him. SP and Sony are desperately hoping this news wave passes over asap.
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Kinda crazy how often Asmon has so much often L's and W's takes. The only reason I don't watch his videos anymore is because he openly harasses some of his viewers (for some reason) and defends AI, other than that he can do good when he wants to, he's crazy influential.
 
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SlimySnake said:
it's not binary. he did something right in 2001, and something very wrong in 2003.
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You're missing a lot of context with your example. The U.S. wasn't nearly as politically divided in Sept. 2001, and it was an "us vs them" mentality after the attacks of 9/11.

Do you think Bush could unite the nation if he was president now in this current landscape after a domestic assassination? There's literally nothing Trump can say that would make any remotely liberal-leaning person listen to him.
 
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Mortisfacio said:
More extreme right wing. Groypers don't like media like "turning points" (Charlie Kirk) because they don't promote America First ideals.

The stretch here is Groypers are further right. "Fascists". This guy has multiple links to being anti-fascist. So the only way he could be truly a groyper, is if the anti-fascist stuff is all false flags. But you then have to assume that it's all false flags. I'm not about to take that leap, personally.
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Kirk and TP USA are basically 100% in lockstep with Trump. According to Trump, he alone decides what is America first.

Groypers are MAGA but also extremely antisemitic and anti Israel, and think Trump isn't extreme enough about overtly inflamming race wars. I think they agree on most everything else, but I only have peripheral awareness they even exist.
 
SlimySnake said:
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.

Just look at how Bush handled 9/11 and we as a nation came out of it stronger than ever. Now of course he used that unity to get us into a needless war with Iraq but that was textbook how a leader heals a country after a devastating attack. Trump on the other and immediately blamed the left before any evidence, and it reverberated across social media leading to some of the most divisive rhetoric ive ever seen on the internet.
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He said "I couldn't care less" about what he is going to say next, you know, "this is going to get me in trouble, but I couldnlt care less.."

He didn't say it to the question itself.

The man is capable of sympathy, he displayed it when he was told for the first time about RBG passing. He sounds more pissed off because he lost a friend, and rightfully so.

Use your own ears and comprehension of the clip, not some retards out of context gaslighting.
 
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Mortisfacio said:
More extreme right wing. Groypers don't like media like "turning points" (Charlie Kirk) because they don't promote America First ideals.

The stretch here is Groypers are further right. "Fascists". This guy has multiple links to being anti-fascist. So the only way he could be truly a groyper, is if the anti-fascist stuff is all false flags. But you then have to assume that it's all false flags. I'm not about to take that leap, personally
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If the anti fascist stuff is just the 2 bullet markings and nothing else, I highly suspect those were written with ironic troll humor based on the other markings.

There is evidence of Groypers co-opting bella ciao as well. This is some very online brain rot people/stuff we're talking about here.
 
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Hardensoul said:
Totally not true! There were no charges and the main person Lauren Chen was not charged either! More misinformation spread about it than truths! 🤷‍♂️

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They definitely got millions from Russia. There's no evidence Tim Pool knew anything about it, but the two founders definitely knew it was a bogus investor (from internal emails). I believe they were indicted, but not charged--They only went after the Russian RT employees iirc
 
Glad they caught the killer.

But I can't help but feel that in the coming days, some nutcases in positions of power are gonna start associating this with 'violent video games', again.
 
YCoCg said:
Still crazy that it was a demented furry from 4chan and yet everyone is eager to pin it on left or right, bros, it's 4chan and he's a furry, that's one hell of an offshoot from the norm
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Demented furries are not an offshoot from the norm of extreme leftists. Just visit the purple forum
 
SlimySnake said:
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



You dont want people incapable of empathy leading people, let alone running a country. Or we end up in a polarized society like we have today.

Just look at how Bush handled 9/11 and we as a nation came out of it stronger than ever. Now of course he used that unity to get us into a needless war with Iraq but that was textbook how a leader heals a country after a devastating attack. Trump on the other and immediately blamed the left before any evidence, and it reverberated across social media leading to some of the most divisive rhetoric ive ever seen on the internet.
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I'm pretty sure he's saying that he doesn't care about far-right radicals, not that he doesn't care about fixing the country. Which is still a silly thing to say, because radicals are radicals.

Edit. Full context, starts at 29:10.

 
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Thaimasker said:
If the anti fascist stuff is just the 2 bullet markings and nothing else, I highly suspect those were written with ironic troll humor based on the other markings.

There is evidence of Groypers co-opting bella ciao as well. This is some very online brain rot people/stuff we're talking about here.
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Burnie Burns Conspiracy GIF by Rooster Teeth


"its all fault of the extreme right wing"
 
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adamsapple said:
Glad they caught the killer.

But I can't help but feel that in the coming days, some nutcases in positions of power are gonna start associating this with 'violent video games', again.
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Going to create a lot of discomfort on both sides. Especially the "words are violence" crowd rushing to defend their toys and how words are no longer violence in those instances.

Buy lots of stock in pretzel knots.
 
Jinxed said:
Demented furries are not an offshoot from the norm of extreme leftists. Just visit the purple forum
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More often than not, the only allegiance people like the shooter have is with themselves, they would openly turn on each other if it means a big trolling opportunity. Just open 4chan once and you will see the kind of people we are dealing with.
 
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YCoCg said:
So what is it? Is he far left or far right? This is so confusing because both sides are saying the other.
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I'll wait to hear more…

But I have a hard time believing someone further to the right would be motivated kill Charlie Kirk. That sounds like some real cope.

But who knows. Crazy people are crazy.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Report Highlights: Black and white males, excluding gang violence, have the highest rates of mass shootings among demographic groups, with 0.09 incidents per 100,000 people.

  • White Americans committed 53% of the 195 mass shootings between 1966 and 2024.
  • Black Americans committed 21% of all targeted mass public shootings between 1966 and 2024.
  • Across all racial groups, 98% of mass shooters are male, with no female mass shooters reported among Asians and Latinos.
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This is a strange way to state a statistic.
WIthout checking the voracity of the data, their own quoted data has white americans committing more than double the mass shootings.
Why in the highlight statement does it place both groups together? and why does it mention black first?
 
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