Arrowgigantic
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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally
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Didnt the US goverment go against the constitution in some ways when they enacted the Mulford Act? Which restricted the right to bear arms to some extent?
Cant they also do something like that with the these Nazi rallies. There is no way to have a peaceful assembly of Nazis when they advocate for the death of minorties. If this was a Black supermacy group, they would have already dealt with it already.
Cant they also do something like that with the these Nazi rallies. There is no way to have a peaceful assembly of Nazis when they advocate for the death of minorties. If this was a Black supermacy group, they would have already dealt with it already.
1 has died from the car crashing into the crowd, 2 officers died in the helicopter crash.
I would've thought it wouldn't be too hard to come to a unanimous conclusion that racist and facist speech was not defensible, but here we are...
The Nazis eventually stopped respecting people's private spaces once they had full control.
We're, like, talking about preventing that from happening again.
Ultra right groups have repeatedly come and gone in Europe for decades, there's no real evidence to suggest they're on the cusp of taking power across the EU barring the occasional upset, like when Le Pen reached the run-off stage in the French pres. vote and the FPO entering govt in Austria in 2000. It seems it's left to Europe in fighting the far right scourge.
Your intentions are noble but woefully naive. I'm all for free speech but I draw the line at Holocaust deniers, racists and fucking Nazis.
Why did a helicopter crash ?
Because with free speech open to all they can't block anyone using the Constitution as a shield. If the Constitution was rewritten to ban hate speech, they could then twist it to ban words from our side.
Sad thing is a great amount of people in America don't see how fucked up this is. This is a direct result of you voting for that man and putting him in office and yet you can't see. I don't know what it'll take for people to understand that this is wrong and this isn't something that we need to sit back and do nothing about. It's 2017 and people still don't get it. I don't even know what it'll take for them to realize it either at this point.
Oh and fuck that nigga with the Arkansas Engineering shit. We don't rep that here and that's not us. Fuck that.
Oh and fuck that nigga with the Arkansas Engineering shit. We don't rep that here and that's not us. Fuck that.
If the ACLU wants to argue for the free speech and assembly of extremists, it also needs to accept some responsibility when those extremists it represents kill people at their assemblies.
They can continue representing Nazis or the like in the name of free speech, just so long as they do not deny the consequences of what they're doing.
They can continue representing Nazis or the like in the name of free speech, just so long as they do not deny the consequences of what they're doing.
Aaronrules380
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Sure, but can you guarantee that eventually a shitheel won't come into power who can find a way to turn those laws to their advantage and use it to suppress legitimate causes? I'm not arguing that hate speech laws can't be done, I'm arguing that they can create an opening if the wrong people get into power.
No one knows the exact cause yet. All we know is that it's somehow tied to the rally.
Frozenprince
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The moment one of these fuckers pulls out a torch or a weapon they no longer have the right to congregate. Period.
3 dead today. 1 counter protestor, and 2 police officers in a downed helicopter.
Primethius
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Um... what? Free speech is already regulated. There's nothing stopping a Trump SC court from regulating it further and doing what you said.
PersonAndStuff
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Maybe take a step back here. Neither side is pro-nazi. Free speech is a complicated issue where different people come to different conclusions. Save the hate for the nazis.
Hierophant
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If you're still under some pretence that the other side can be reasoned with, remember:
They Want You Dead.
They Want You Dead.
TyrantGuardian
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Who gives a shit? Enact the law then fight whatever moron is trying to twist it. Revolt and riot in the streets if you need to. Why are you pretending to cower in fear when you aren't the one being murdered over this while other people actually are.
Von Krukru
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Growing up in France, we're taught from childhood that fuckin nazis are your worst ennemy. I can't understand how they have the right to even assemble. All of you defending their right to free speech are fools. Hate speech is not compatible with civilisation.
You can keep your Free Speech Lite. The First Amendment is clear, and chipping away at it sets a dangerous precedent.
Dubbedinenglish
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Exactly. Motherfuckers showed up today with rifles, body armor, shields and batons. They were looking for a fight.
Let's see a BLM protest with torches, see how fast SWAT is drawing guns on them
If the wrong people get to power then they can create those laws anyway or brute force themselves to only apply laws to where they want it to be applied. What strict hate laws can do though is stop hate groups from rising in numbers and putting those people in power.
Aaronrules380
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So far sure. but that doesn't mean it'll stay the same forever. I'm Jewish. I have literally zero sympathy for Nazis. But I think it's far more naive to assume shitty people will never get into power than to assume they will
TyrantGuardian
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Nothing complicated about it. Hate speech toward minorities is a criminal offense where I'm from. Ezpz.
Which is exactly why it makes no sense to give the white supremacists more tools to oppress minorities.
? germany seems to be handling it just fine
This isn't Germany.
djplaeskool
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Last time that happened, Reagan took their guns away.
TyrantGuardian
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Aaronrules380
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Of course, but that doesn't mean you can't make it easier for them.
I'm also not convinced hate speech laws can stop hate groups from rising in power, especially not in the modern internet era where it's easier than ever to communicate anonymously.
Crossing Eden
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Genuinely read what you just typed and see if you can spot the contradiction. There's nothing peaceful about nazis or the KKK. Holy fuck!!! People straight up died today. 😡😡😡
u know where nazis, like, came from, right?
Saint Gregory
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You're preaching to the choir. I can't even remember now how many times I've gotten dogpiled in threads on this forum for suggesting that the 1st Amendment needs revising to stop protecting these groups and hate speech in general. The harm that they cause is too longstanding to continue to ignore in my opinion.
Yeah the fucking Nazi rally tipped me off thanks
TyrantGuardian
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They can stop the police standing idly by while nazis are killing people.
Box of Kittens
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Just imagine if you sat down and had a conversation with them. You'd learn from each other and maybe you could meet somewhere in the middle and they would just give you a severe beating.
Frozenprince
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And I would bet that man is neither arrested nor charged with a crime.
Do you even know what Jim Crow is?
I seem to be noticing a junior shit post trend with no avatars...
The pro nazi side walking around with nazi flags and driving into crouds of peaceful protestor are pro nazis.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Fighting words aren't covered by 1A. Simply classify Nazi/White Supremacist language as fighting words. I mean, they essentially are.
Our freedoms are already restricted to our detriment, and the law is already being used to their advantage to suppress us. There's no slippery slope, we're already plummeting downhill at an alarming rate.
Would not make much difference at this point. The dangerous leap is if hate speech was punishable with summary execution without trial.
Aaronrules380
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I personally do think revising the first amendment for that is dangerous though. It can be done, but the damage potential if it's abused is also very high. Just because it can be done right doesn't mean it always will be
TyrantGuardian
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Had a fucking chuckle at this, but it proves the point. The US is too soft on hate groups.
OriginofHysteria
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I know this won't change the mind of Trump's base, but I hope he tanks with those independents after his handling of this situation.
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