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Chris Dring at GDC: Xbox sales flatlining in Europe, majority of Xbox games coming to PS5 at some point, MS putting less focus on GamePass

clarky

Gold Member
He’s absolutely worse than Mattrick

Phil has had over a decade to make great games that define the Xbox brand like the 360 era and he’s utterly failed
How this clown still has a job is beyond me.

Its fucking simple, just make great games that you can't play anywhere else and people will buy into your ecosystem. See the 360.

In the pursuit of growth he has completely killed the brand. Fucking Idiot.
 
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Fabieter

Member
Exactly, that's all I'm saying. A console costs $500 and "lasts" 6/7/8 years currently. In 8 years you see 4 new generations of GPUs alone. To remain in high end PC gaming you're having to at least triple dip on a new system in that amount of time.
I'm not throwing shade at PC gaming, I'm in that ecosystem for decades, but I think sometimes people try to create an artificial war when there's none to be had.
At high end, console and PC markets are not at all competing. 2 completely different segments and a consumer with very different purchasing power.

Of course if someone is on a tight budget and wants to make their investment last, they will need to make a very informed decision. But chances are they aren't any high end PC gamer. Not for long at least.

Most pc gamers aint high end users and they can play most games console gamers can.
 
What kind of videogames enthusiast buys the newest hardware with the lowest cost to performance ratio every other year? Most builds last close to a decade. There are probably more Steam Deck users... Crypto farms on the other hand...
High end PC and enthusiasts buy the newest hardware every other year. I know I do for sure. And plenty others in this forum do as well.
You're throwing shade at consoles but think you're in the forefront of gaming with a 10 year old rig?
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Big changes are coming. Am in for the ride.

If they exit hardware, hopefully they will migrate xbox accounts to Windows. Most PCs should be capable of running games in Series S profile.

Love Series consoles, will be day 1 if they make next one.
 

Larivel

Member
I think you miss the point. Us console players don't want to play in pc player lobbies full of cheaters. I take it you're not a COD player.
The other thing is, with the same hardware and graphics settings, in game everyone experiences the same level of performance and visual clarity. On PC, you can reduce graphics settings to such an extent that you significantly decrease the density and quality of grass, smoke and other particle effects, that makes spotting other players much easier. Additionally, you can edit config files to get even lower graphics than the UI allows you to, all without risking a ban for doing so. There's also stuff like ReShade and Nvidia filters, which technically isn't cheating but in my opinion should be banned from competitive games:

>Hell Let Loose with Nvidia filters applied:
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>No filters, same map:
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GHG

Member
How this clown still has a job is beyond me.

Its fucking simple, just make great games that you can't play anywhere else and people will buy into your ecosystem. See the 360.

In the pursuit of growth he has completely killed the brand. Idiot.

He's attempted to grow a videogames business without mastering the art of having a business that makes videogames good enough to drive users towards the platform.

Then he comes out and says even if they made 11/10 games it wouldn't make any difference.

Honestly, it's insane.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
I will throw this out there, gamed with some high people "in the know" over the weekend and as of right now, Monday the 25th, I stand by what I said months ago, they are doubling down
issue is would the head of the division even be consulted if the axe was going to fall? surely our bald eagle would make the decision (probably in consultation with other none Xbox higher ups). anyone involved in Xbox is probably thinking full steam ahead.
 
Glad to hear it. They gotta have something new in the works then. No way they are going to put out an RDNA 3 or 4 version of the same thing they have done and expect different results. Doubling down, to me, means they believe they can compete.

This sounds familiar:

- Second half of the 360 Generation -> Disaster, PS3 dominates recovering the sale deficit of the first half
- Xbox One -> Disaster
- Xbox One X -> Irrelevant, killed after 2 years and a half
- Xbox Series S/X -> Dreamcast/Wii U level of failure is now a possibility

Doubling down on hardware seems to be exactly what the doctor ordered!

LOL
 
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Hestar69

Member
It looks from all objective angles like this company is virtually a non entity and barely has any real influence, and the games their games are attached to have been largely well recieved and good sellers so I see no need to be outraged in their direction until that changes.

MS is fine. Xbox is not.
xbox is fine, they have 34 million subs on game pass as of last month that's all they care about. they're making money.
 
Yes. This Jez guy is just a turd, and the community knows that. And I know he is quite hurt by it. Listening to the Xbox Two podcast and Twitter, I've heard how many fans blame people like him for the negative news/rumors surrounding Xbox. He sounds defeated... but keeps spinning; that's what they do

So, I'm just waiting for the breaking point (which is getting closer and closer).

I love that podcast because it almost seems like the other guy is just constantly shitting on Xbox while Jez is just like "Yea....".
 
High end PC and enthusiasts buy the newest hardware every other year. I know I do for sure. And plenty others in this forum do as well.
You're throwing shade at consoles but think you're in the forefront of gaming with a 10 year old rig?
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Only 5 years on my current rig and I sure as hell will not update it until 2029 barring unforeseen hardware failures. It runs this year's Tekken 8 beautifully so I have zero reason to upgrade.
 
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issue is would the head of the division even be consulted if the axe was going to fall? surely our bald eagle would make the decision (probably in consultation with other none Xbox higher ups). anyone involved in Xbox is probably thinking full steam ahead.
This I can't answer because pretty much everyone has a boss and death comes for us all eventually

People above his head could pull the plug at any time
 

NickFire

Member
I will throw this out there, gamed with some high people "in the know" over the weekend and as of right now, Monday the 25th, I stand by what I said months ago, they are doubling down
Based on the tug of war between rumors, public statements, and rumors, it sounds like as of now the plan would be (IMO):
1) Preserve the eco-system while selling as many games as possible.
2) Eco-system turns into:
a) cloud
b) legacy hardware
c) handheld
d) third party licensed consoles.

Guessing they are really doubling down on cloud and just want to make as much as money as possible while they wait out hardware to die (at a cheaper cost than selling consoles for a loss).

The timing would probably match up with the expiration of COD's 10 year deal too.
 
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It doesnt matter if you have to upgrade every two years, you can game on a budget on pc so its still competition to consoles.
I'm not sure you're following the argument from the start or understand the point I was trying to make. I have no disagreement with the above statement.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
This sounds familiar:

- Second half of the 360 Generation -> Disaster, PS3 dominates recovering the sale deficit of the first half
- Xbox One -> Disaster
- Xbox One X -> irrelevant
- Xbox Series S/X -> Dreamcast/Wii U level of failure is now a possibility

Doubling down on hardware seems to be exactly what the doctor ordered!

LOL

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xbox is fine, they have 34 million subs on game pass as of last month that's all they care about. they're making money.

That number includes previous Xbox Live Gold subscribers. Game Pass growth is stagnant
 

Fabieter

Member
So you're playing on a pc comparable to a PS5 most likely and acting like you're above the "peasants" :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Stop it...

The thing is if graphics is the only reason you play on pc than you shouldn't play on pc at all. The game library which contains everything from consoles and the flexibility with settings and mods is the reason I always owned a pc.

I like playing on consoles but the main reason I bought one in the past was 1p exclusive and Japanese games which are both on pc now(nintendo aside)
 

Solidus_T

Banned
Do you do it or personally interact with those that do or is this hearsay?
Are you serious, in denial, or both?
If you have played any online games, particularly popular shooters on PC, you have come into contact with players using a variety of cheat methods - full stop. In COD, for example, I have gotten dozens of cheaters banned after I reported them, because once you get to a certain skill level, it becomes obvious when people use crutches. I don't play Valorant, but friends of mine who do have also noticed that, once you get to a decent Elo tier, you are basically guaranteed to have hackers in your games. For CS, do we really need to say much else about cheaters in this game? People even get caught in tournaments.

There are plenty of documentaries on the methods people use and just how prevalent they are. I will gladly link some of the best ones to you.

Timely EDIT:
It still runs Tekken 8 better.
Fun fact: Tekken 8 PC is home to just about all of the cheaters, including people like Fariborz who have auto low parry, 1 button electrics, auto low block, etc.
In Tekken 7 I fought Devil Kazumi, in ranked. PC of course.
 
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Spyxos

Member
Then what is their plan? If they get out of hardware and Gamepass, will they get out of gaming completely? So why buy acti blizz? It all makes no sense to me.
 
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Cyberpunkd

Gold Member
Then what is their plan? If they get out of hardware and Gamepass, will they get out of gaming completely? So why buy acti blizz? It all makes no sense to me.
Xbox nosedived in the last 12 months, when ABK merger was decided the situation was diffeeenr.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
So you're playing on a pc comparable to a PS5 most likely and acting like you're above the "peasants" :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Stop it...
If he’s playing at 1080p he can max out every setting and still get over 60fps in games, even at 1440p it’ll probably look and run miles better than a PS5. Console games chase 4k and that’s where they waste their resources.
 

Kerotan

Member
The other thing is, with the same hardware and graphics settings, in game everyone experiences the same level of performance and visual clarity. On PC, you can reduce graphics settings to such an extent that you significantly decrease the density and quality of grass, smoke and other particle effects, that makes spotting other players much easier. Additionally, you can edit config files to get even lower graphics than the UI allows you to, all without risking a ban for doing so. There's also stuff like ReShade and Nvidia filters, which technically isn't cheating but in my opinion should be banned from competitive games:

>Hell Let Loose with Nvidia filters applied:
sVRI5TV.png

>No filters, same map:
iT3P3tZ.png
Exactly which is more reason why console player's like cross play turned off.

If he wants a pc he can get one but he's a console player for a reason so I suggested ps5 as it'll have his Xbox exclusives anyway. Nobody is denying pc is a good platform.
 

Fabieter

Member
If he’s playing at 1080p he can max out every setting and still get over 60fps in games, even at 1440p it’ll probably look and run miles better than a PS5. Console games chase 4k and that’s where they waste their resources.

Better resolution would save some of the console games tho.
 
I love that podcast because it almost seems like the other guy is just constantly shitting on Xbox while Jez is just like "Yea....".
Yeah, the other guy is just a gamer; he prefers Xbox but has a PS5 and doesn't care about Microsoft at all. That's the difference between them.

When Jez talks about record users/MAU and stuff like that, he is referring to Xbox as Microsoft's Gaming Division. But many of those communities (podcasts) were built on top of the console.

This is why his spinning/damage controlling of Xbox's poor situation to 'Xbox is bigger than ever, look at MAU and users' is going to backfire, because those record users are coming from Candy Crush and people playing on PC/PS5/mobile... which doesn't help Xbox as a console at all.
 
The thing is if graphics is the only reason you play on pc than you shouldn't play on pc at all. The game library which contains everything from consoles and the flexibility with settings and mods is the reason I always owned a pc.

I like playing on consoles but the main reason I bought one in the past was 1p exclusive and Japanese games which are both on pc now(nintendo aside)
I play on both, and actually the majority of time I use pc is for sim racing in VR. Again, I think you're assuming I was making some point that I really wasn't making. There's space for high end and low end gaming on pc, that's absolutely fine.
 
Are you serious, in denial, or both?
If you have played any online games, particularly popular shooters on PC, you have come into contact with players using a variety of cheat methods - full stop. In COD, for example, I have gotten dozens of cheaters banned after I reported them, because once you get to a certain skill level, it becomes obvious when people use crutches. I don't play Valorant, but friends of mine who do have also noticed that, once you get to a decent Elo tier, you are basically guaranteed to have hackers in your games. For CS, do we really need to say much else about cheaters in this game? People even get caught in tournaments.
I don't play ranked.
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Woopah

Member
Switch 2 is going to offset the loss of Xbox somewhat, but obviously third parties would prefer three healthy console ecosystems to two.

lol nonsense. Sales split show 15-20% sales go to Xbox. 55-60% go to PS5 and the rest of the 15-20% go to PC in UK. So if they stop portin games Xbox, might as well stop shipping games on PC.

20% might sound low but sometimes it comes down to whether or not you are profitable. So if they skip Xbox, they better hope to make that up on PS5 and PC. And good luck with that.

MS just needs to kill gamepass because they have trained their users to not buy games and wait for them to show up on gamepass. Xbox userbase always used to spend more per user than the PS userbase up until the X1 era. It was only after gamepass did we start to see lower spending on the box. Kill gamepass and you will see people spend more.
We can't apply UK splits to the rest of the world. PC is far stronger than Xbox in continental Europe and Asia
When did youtube channels with 3k in subscribers become reputable news sources?
I mean Chris writes for Dr. Who Magazine as well as gameindustry.biz so everything he says must be true, even if it is conjecture.
Gamesindustry.biz is absolutely a reputable. Chris attends GDC and has contacts in the industry.
 
Then what is their plan? If they get out of hardware and Gamepass, will they get out of gaming completely? So why buy acti blizz? It all makes no sense to me.

Their plan is to continue making hardware, continue with GamePass, and bring their games to other consoles down the line after release to bring in more revenue since their consoles sell less. They aren’t giving up their ecosystem, and third party pubs aren’t considering pulling support.
 

Hestar69

Member
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That number includes previous Xbox Live Gold subscribers. Game Pass growth is stagnant
Still making millions a month off it and they're finally releasing games this year (hopefully)

They're fine.They didnt buy activision just to go 3rd party
 
If he’s playing at 1080p he can max out every setting and still get over 60fps in games, even at 1440p it’ll probably look and run miles better than a PS5. Console games chase 4k and that’s where they waste their resources.
He was just trolling as stated above, but yeah. Some of the limitations are CPU related, it doesn't matter if it's on console or PC. A 5 year old rig is on the same Zen 2 (or worse) architecture that the current consoles are. So pretty much just as limited as the current consoles in a vast amount of games. Plus if we're going to compare console 4k to old pc 1080p, at least you have to compare the game in performance mode, not quality mode. So yeah, I suspect his rig is playing about on par with current consoles at best.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
How this clown still has a job is beyond me.

Its fucking simple, just make great games that you can't play anywhere else and people will buy into your ecosystem. See the 360.

In the pursuit of growth he has completely killed the brand. Idiot.

If Phil Spencer understood how to effectively manage his studios and the massive portfolio of IP that is now under his direct control then there is really no reason why Xbox consoles should not be competing step for step with PlayStation.

Still making millions a month off it and they're finally releasing games this year (hopefully)

They're fine.They didnt buy activision just to go 3rd party

Yes, you are correct that they are finally releasing games this year......................................for PlayStation.
 

nial

Gold Member
Even this year, Sony has to rely on third-party timed exclusives such as FF Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin, and Stellar Blade.
You're right overall, but not with this. And Helldivers 2 is another Sony effort.

Anyway, do we have any clue on what major companies he's talking about? Only in page 1 so far.
 

fallingdove

Member
I am not planing on supporting Sony though for various reasons. I will stick with MS as they have always been the only relevant company in terms of good hardware (lol @ Nintendo), so MS better turn this shit around. Otherwise it will be Nintendo and retro consoles, which honestly is largely enough considering the free time I have available anyway...
Good hardware ala the RROD prone 360, the Kinect, the Xbox One, and the Xbox Series S. Good hardware indeed.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
You're right overall, but not with this. And Helldivers 2 is another Sony effort.

Anyway, do we have any clue on what major companies he's talking about? Only in page 1 so far.

Nah.....he doesn't name them.
 

balls of snow

Gold Member
Seems more and more clear that roundtable podcast they had was for publishers to stick with the xbox platform and not actually intended for xbox fans.
 
He was just trolling as stated above, but yeah. Some of the limitations are CPU related, it doesn't matter if it's on console or PC. A 5 year old rig is on the same Zen 2 (or worse) architecture that the current consoles are. So pretty much just as limited as the current consoles in a vast amount of games. Plus if we're going to compare console 4k to old pc 1080p, at least you have to compare the game in performance mode, not quality mode. So yeah, I suspect his rig is playing about on par with current consoles at best.
On par outside of mods and customized settings that make games look and run better.
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Also people cheat in non ranked play too.
Not in my experience.
 
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Iced Arcade

Member
Random bedroom youTube acct with less than 5k subscribers. Will get more reactions here lol

Don't get me wrong, Xbox is doing everything but the right things to do lol
 
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THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Yeah, it really sounds like conjecture

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It's interesting that you only provided backup for the things that he said that everyone already knew. Still waiting on the proof that hardware will be abandoned and ms is going full third party. Oh wait......
 
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