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Chris Dring at GDC: Xbox sales flatlining in Europe, majority of Xbox games coming to PS5 at some point, MS putting less focus on GamePass

This is depressing stuff. Worst part is that Spencer could’ve turned things around with honest job like producing games the traditional way and make them globally acclaimed must have. But he chose to be Netflix, because subscriptions.
Spencer destroyed the brand with his focus on gamepass and not creating any new AAA IP. He bought all those studios and did fuck all with them,,,,,,pathetic.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Switch 2 is going to offset the loss of Xbox somewhat, but obviously third parties would prefer three healthy console ecosystems to two.


We can't apply UK splits to the rest of the world. PC is far stronger than Xbox in continental Europe and Asia

Gamesindustry.biz is absolutely a reputable. Chris attends GDC and has contacts in the industry.

Lots of people are "reputable" and work in the industry, it doesn't mean everything they think might happen should be reported as "news".
 

jm89

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It still runs Tekken 8 better.
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Show us your specs man.

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It's interesting that you only provided backup for the things that he said that everyone already knew. Still waiting on the proof that hardware will be abandoned and ms is going full third party. Oh wait......

Sure other devs are super happy to spend big money and big time making Xbox ports that nobody buys anyway

And now they are basically funding one of their competitors as MS is going third-party...

Amazing

LOL
 
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Wildebeest

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When they made kinect it was clear that nobody there cared about any market outside the US suburban middle class. The question to me is why would they care now?
 
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Woopah

Member
Lots of people are "reputable" and work in the industry, it doesn't mean everything they think might happen should be reported as "news".
If they just "think" something then no, that is not news. But as Chris has access to sales data and speaks with publishers, then that data and those conversations are news.
 

GHG

Member
Good hardware ala the RROD prone 360, the Kinect, the Xbox One, and the Xbox Series S. Good hardware indeed.

He had that too, but don't expect rational thinking from someone motivated by hate:



My bet is that it all really goes back to Sega.

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Killjoy-NL

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Redfall should have been the shoe up the ass Phil needed. I stand by my original take that Phil saying they can't turn it around with a couple 11 out of 10 games was when I lost all faith in the guy. That should be the main goal no matter what your market share is because that's literally what gamers want!
That interview was Spencer telling everyone it was over, no matter what they'd do, but people didn't want to hear it.

They still don't.
 
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Woopah

Member
You're right overall, but not with this. And Helldivers 2 is another Sony effort.

Anyway, do we have any clue on what major companies he's talking about? Only in page 1 so far.
Nah.....he doesn't name them.
The face that he specified that it was a company that "launched a major game last year" makes me think it was Warner Bros. Here were the sales numbers for Hogwarts Legacy in France:

PS5 - 558,668
PS4 - 208,508
Switch - 206,870
PC - 186,949
Xbox One + Xbox Series combined - 173,376
 
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Topher

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The face that he specified that it was a company that "launched a major game last year" makes me think it was Warner Bros. Here were the sales numbers for Hogwarts Legacy in France:

PS5 - 558,668
PS4 - 208,508
Switch - 206,870
PC - 186,949
Xbox One + Xbox Series combined - 173,376
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Mooreberg

is sharpening a shovel and digging a ditch
As someone who is happy with the post Black Friday panic sale (XSX for $349 with Diablo IV) purchase, I still find their overall handing of hardware to be absolutely bizarre. I was grocery shopping last week, so I stopped by electronics to see if the mess in the software clearance section had been sorted, and I witnessed something that made no sense whatsoever: A black, $349 Xbox Series S with a 1TB hard drive. I get that such a unit would be about $50 more expensive than a typical Series S, which it is, but it's an enormous ripoff compared to what they were just selling XSX for nearly four months ago. For something that isn't even close to being a market leader, where are the routine price drop intervals since launch? They want people on Game Pass, but they never actually do much to lower the barrier to entry for anyone to try it on a console. And as people have mentioned numerous times, how long will developers want to put up with Series S if PS5 Pro stretches the overall hardware footprint for third party games in the other direction, and actually sells better even at a higher MSRP?

I really hope they're not dumb enough to launch "next gen" in 2026, because that would be the last bridge going up in flames. They need to spend the next two and a half years focusing on putting great games out on Xbox, PC, PS5, Switch 2, or wherever else they can sell them in order to rehabilitate the brand image. Then maybe take a look at whether or not a single SKU (at least in terms of hardware capability, not talking about all digital vs. disc based units) at a good price could be successful in late 2027. Maybe by then they're making "every screen an Xbox", but with potentially better market share, they would at least be selling more of their software on their hardware (fewer instances of cutting competitors in on 30%) and in turn, getting better sales performance on third party games, would would make them more money. They own too many development studios at this point to keep pulling a Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes routine. Sort it out, ladies and gents.
 

Mr Moose

Member
The face that he specified that it was a company that "launched a major game last year" makes me think it was Warner Bros. Here were the sales numbers for Hogwarts Legacy in France:

PS5 - 558,668
PS4 - 208,508
Switch - 206,870
PC - 186,949
Xbox One + Xbox Series combined - 173,376
I thought maybe Ubisoft, but you could be right. I think Ubisoft didn't launch a version of Far Cry 5 in Europe on Xbox One. My memory is kinda shit so it might've been 4.
Fake edit: It was 4.
 

M1987

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"We're putting a lot of effort into creating an Xbox Series S/X version of a game where to be honest with you the market for us is PC and PS5."
Below is a photo of said executive getting interviewed by Dring.

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Is this a real quote?
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
Switch 2 is going to offset the loss of Xbox somewhat, but obviously third parties would prefer three healthy console ecosystems to two.


We can't apply UK splits to the rest of the world. PC is far stronger than Xbox in continental Europe and Asia

Gamesindustry.biz is absolutely a reputable. Chris attends GDC and has contacts in the industry.

Having three consoles to support rather than two is probably not anyone's preference.

If 3rd parties could sell their games on switch at the same rate as Xbox they would probably be happier.

Having to port games on multiple devices without increasing sales only increases the cost of production. Assuming these gamers don't exit the industry and move to other devices, it actually works out in their favor, at least in the short term.
 

JaksGhost

Member
They honestly should've introduced a disc version of the Series S when they came out with the latest revision. That probably would've enticed me more to get one with the fire sales, but the lack of one always seems to be one of the main reasons why I can't bite.
 
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Slam everything to ultra while streaming and playing youtube on your other monitor? Maybe I could use some tips here.
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I don't stream and I do not need two monitors as I have a TV, laptop, and phone in reach. On top of that, putting everything on ultra usually makes everything worse as many effects are overblown and need to be tuned or turned off, while others have no discernable improvement between the mid, high, and ultra setting. You need to optimize.
 
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Astray

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MS are dumb beyond comprehension. I have quite a bit of games on Xbox and physical games as well, but they are alienating all efforts from the past two decades.

If Xbox disappears then so be it. What can you do when they are making dumb decisions one after another ? This is especially disappointing as Sony certainly hasn't been amazing this gen, they had a good opportunity to gain ground but failed miserably.
I don't think they had an opportunity this gen tbh, Sony has been largely boring, but they aren't asleep on the ball at all like they were in the PS3 era. They had things like PS Plus Collection (to ease migration from Xbox) and huge AAA sequels in the 1st few years to drive up support and consumer hype (and maybe get some PC folks to have the PS5 as a second system for the exclusives).

They had huge marketing campaigns for almost all their exclusives this gen, be it 1st 2nd or 3rd party, plus massive marketing for the PS5 itself.

When it comes to fundamentals of the gaming market, Sony didn't really let up except in not having a price drop yet.

Spencer isn't a great exec, but he was dealt very bad cards this gen and last tbh.
 
Redfall should have been the shoe up the ass Phil needed. I stand by my original take that Phil saying they can't turn it around with a couple 11 out of 10 games was when I lost all faith in the guy. That should be the main goal no matter what your market share is because that's literally what gamers want!
It also showed that ‘FULL OF SHIT PHIL’ doesn’t even really care. He never pushed for AAA exclusives even with all the studios they acquired. All he wants is subs for gamepass and flood it with games that are already out from the devs they now have. They did absolutely nothing with the studios they bought in terms of building new AAA EXCLUSIVE IP. He is pathetic and has ruined the brand even more than Mattrick. Phil cares nothing about the console or the ecosystem. He is a liar and a fraud collecting a check while destroying the brand he was put in charge of. It would have been too much work to actually try and build new games and compete with Sony so he bitched out and this is where they are now.
 
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Astray

Member
These morons will be the 1st to lose their shit when bigger games skip Xbox with no exclusivity deal.

He was dealt $83 billion dollars....

Is that not enough???
Think of it in the opposite way, the hand he was dealt was so bad, he spent $83bn and he still has no chance of winning!

As bad as I think he is, I don't think a simple change of C-suite ppl will suddenly bring success to Xbox.
 
lol nonsense. Sales split show 15-20% sales go to Xbox. 55-60% go to PS5 and the rest of the 15-20% go to PC in UK. So if they stop portin games Xbox, might as well stop shipping games on PC.

20% might sound low but sometimes it comes down to whether or not you are profitable. So if they skip Xbox, they better hope to make that up on PS5 and PC. And good luck with that.
There are a number of publishers, including ABK, where the revenue from some of their biggest performers didn't crack 5% share on Xbox.
 

JaksGhost

Member
To achieve what exactly? Stores are removing Xbox physical games from shelves.....

Series S is a GamePass machine at best
I'm just stating what made me resist. It's also a contributing factor as for the why they're removing physical games seeing how the Series S is the higher seller of the two consoles.
 
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These morons will be the 1st to lose their shit when bigger games skip Xbox with no exclusivity deal.


Think of it in the opposite way, the hand he was dealt was so bad, he spent $83bn and he still has no chance of winning!

As bad as I think he is, I don't think a simple change of C-suite ppl will suddenly bring success to Xbox.

I agree with you, but Spencer was considered the savior of Xbox....

He can't blame Mattrick anymore, not after 10 years at the helm of Microsoft Gaming
 

Woopah

Member
I thought maybe Ubisoft, but you could be right. I think Ubisoft didn't launch a version of Far Cry 5 in Europe on Xbox One. My memory is kinda shit so it might've been 4.
Fake edit: It was 4.
Yes it would have been Ubisoft, and the big game could by AC Mirage. The other thought I had was that it could be a Japanese publisher, since they tend to do less well on Xbox than Western ones.
Having three consoles to support rather than two is probably not anyone's preference.

If 3rd parties could sell their games on switch at the same rate as Xbox they would probably be happier.

Having to port games on multiple devices without increasing sales only increases the cost of production. Assuming these gamers don't exit the industry and move to other devices, it actually works out in their favor, at least in the short term.
That's a fair point. If the Xbox fans get absorbed by PlayStation and Switch 2 then that would better for them. Of course if Xbox had been an ecosystem that expanded the whole market and brought new people in, then that would have been a different story.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Sure other devs are super happy to spend big money and big time making Xbox ports that nobody buys anyway

And now they are basically funding one of their competitors as MS is going third-party...

Amazing

LOL

The ports are generally easy on fixed platforms and are often .making a windows port anyhow. It doesn't take a lot of sales to justify them.

You can say "funding thier competitors" on thier 3rd party ports but considering ms keeps 70% of those games, you could argue the opposite is true.

You twist to your narrative, that much is true.
 
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THE DUCK

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If they just "think" something then no, that is not news. But as Chris has access to sales data and speaks with publishers, then that data and those conversations are news.

It's still just his opinion, and we know what they say about those. It's still just speculation, we could litterly have 20 threads about speculation on YouTube every day.
 
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