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Chrono Trigger DS: The |OT|
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My Arms Your Hearse
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GhaleonQ said:
I'm not really in one "camp" or the other. I love both of them dearly. I'm just of the opinion that CC beats out CT, if only by the slimmest of margins.
And humans simply are not capable of denying the Chrono Cross OST.
My Arms Your Hearse
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hayama987 said:
You don't have to use/recruit all of them, and the really good ones are fleshed out considerably.
CC's battle system is far more strategic than CT and there are a few bosses and encounters that will flat knock you on your ass if you aren't paying attention.
My Arms Your Hearse said:
wat?
I'm not a big Akira Toriyama fan, but Chrono Trigger is one of the prettiest games ever.
Battle systems are a wash. CC is more interesting and technical, but CT still proves more fun, and is honestly more varied because of the greater use of double & triple techs. The shoddy dual tech implementation in CC was probably the second most disappointing thing about it.
You're probably right about the music, but nostalgia won't let me agree with you.
BishopLamont
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Yeah and they felt just like another character. One of the most boring stories in an RPG ever (ok a bit exaggerated due to the awesome that is CT) but the gameplay was also too easy. I came in expecting Chrono Trigger 2, I left yearning for it even more.hayama987 said:
My Arms Your Hearse
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justchris said:
Ugh?
Chrono Cross art direction shits all over CT (and every other game).
However, I'd agree that Chrono Trigger is the better looking game (gorgeous 2d vs. shitty 3d...).
My Arms Your Hearse said:
Hmmm, I'm not at home right now. I'll start up another game of CC and play for a few hours then get back to you.
My Arms Your Hearse said:
For the most part, true, but CT still has a lot of pretty difficult boss battles. So does CC, and that's where it really counts. No one cares how hard it is to kill random Reptite P.
My Arms Your Hearse
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BishopLamont said:
Chrono Trigger is 10000000000 times easier than Chrono Cross.
ShockingAlberto
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Ugh.
BishopLamont
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Auto-heal after each battle is sooooooooo hard right? You can't fuck up something as crucial as healing in an RPG and get away with it.My Arms Your Hearse said:
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Goddammit we were so close to getting this.
My Arms Your Hearse
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BishopLamont said:
Random battles in CC are much more demanding than CT (at least on your first playthrough). Lots of games have auto-healing. These games always have significantly tougher normal battles that require you to go all out (as opposed to easier battles where the challenge lies in making it to the next save/refresh point).
And Dario >>>>>>>>>>>> anything in CT.
In 90% of random battles in CT you can just mash attack. Especially with the absurdly high critical rates (that's without some of the uber weapons and accessories... seriously, the critical rate in CT is broken).
In terms of difficulty both games are incredible easy, and even if you only use the good characters as you suggest in CC, it doesn't invalidate the fact there are next to no combo techs. They obviously thought about them since they added a few, I just don't understand why they wouldn't take advantage of their large character cast and make a ton of combos so you have have a large variety of unique teams.
My Arms Your Hearse
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Regulus Tera said:
Goddammit we were so close to getting this.
There's no flame war going on. And that's usually only applicable to Final Fantasy threads... which will always be full of bickering due to the nature of the series itself.
I'm only defending CC's honor! I love both of the Chrono games dearly.
My Arms Your Hearse
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hayama987 said:
Because combo techs simply aren't something they focused on? This isn't necessarily a bad thing either.
I also haven't suggested just using the uber characters... I only said that they actually have fleshed out backstories
My Arms Your Hearse
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To fuel the GLENN = FROG fantasy?
My Arms Your Hearse said:
Which again points to SE's biggest mistake, which was calling this a sequel to Chrono Trigger.
If SE had made a game called Dimen Cross or something and not related the story in any way to Chrono Trigger or used dual techs or any obvious feature rips from CT (that pretty much being the only one they even tried with), then while it might not have sold as much, it would have received universal critical and fan praise, as opposed to the mixed reactions it gets now. Also, all Chrono Trigger threads and all Dimen Cross threads would remain pristine and on topic, since no one but the most obsessive of fanfic consipracy theorists would note any relation between the two properties.
ShockingAlberto
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You're wrong on thathayama987 said:
God, I don't really want to get in to this, but CC's plot was not hard to understand. It's a direct consequence of what happened at the Undersea Palace in CT.
My Arms Your Hearse
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vareon said:People are discussing the Trial before suddenly you came saying "Chrono Cross is better than Chrono Trigger". You were defending CC indeed, but at such an inappropriate time that the Defense Force acted against you
Shots are fired on the first page!
http://chrono.wikia.com/wiki/Glenn_(Chrono_Cross) says they aren't the same person
ShockingAlberto
Member
Oh, you meant Frog and Glennhayama987 said:
Yeah, you're right, that's just a fanwink.
Gil, too.
My Arms Your Hearse said:
But you're replying on page four :lol
Since this is a CT DS thread anyway, let's just discuss about CT and perhaps its connectivity, story-wise, with CC. Both are exceptional, but different, RPGs that share the same universe after all. No need to debate for the nth time which is better than which. Sorry if I derailed the thread
WTF with this CC prasing in CT thread?
CC is horrible. Ok it has some nice tunes but everything else was horrible. The battle system, story, characters. Yuck. And I'm not saying this because it's so different from CT. It's just that the game... sucks....
edit: oh and the battle music. Man, I'd rather mute my tv.
CC is horrible. Ok it has some nice tunes but everything else was horrible. The battle system, story, characters. Yuck. And I'm not saying this because it's so different from CT. It's just that the game... sucks....
edit: oh and the battle music. Man, I'd rather mute my tv.
Keyser Soze
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If this CC stuff continues onto the next page then I time travel and end you!!
Honestly, I vaguely remember there being some specific small thing you had to do that had no bearing on anything else to get all 7 jurors to declare you not guilty. I know I've done it before, but it's been more than 2 years since I was able to force myself to play the PS1 version.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
ahoyhoy said:
6) Do NOT move when Marle wants to buy some candy.
There you have it.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Nah, I did all that and I still got 6-1 this time.Sword Familiar said:
Vyse The Legend
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Netto-kun said:Just picked this game up. Surprised that I recieved the bonus CD with the rearranged songs, even though I didn't preorder the game.
Wait, you got this in U.S.?
baphometbones
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Come on guys, an 8.8 isn't a "bad" score by any means. I'm thinking of just removing the actual scores from the OP and just linking to the reviews. Bottom line is, numbers don't really matter. Also, I'm sure there's better places to debate Cross over Trigger. I feel like it's kind of uncool to do it here since there might be people playing Trigger for the first time and they might actually look forward to playing Cross unspoiled.
NeoGAFFer said:so IGN basically gave it an 8.8 just because they thought it would be better if SE remade the game in 3D ? (can't rad the whole review right now
No. The alt view, penned by someone who didn't play the game originally, said it looked dated. The main review was pretty much universally positive on how it looked.
manueldelalas
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My Arms Your Hearse said:
Let's recap here.
In YOUR opinion, Chrono Cross is a better game, because in YOUR opinion it has better battle system, music and art direction, and in YOUR opinion it is the perfect fantasy.
Remember this is games we are talking about, we don't care if you like this game, but pleas, try not to impose YOUR opinion into others; Chrono Cross is (objectively) hardly a sequel to Chrono Trigger, they could have called it "Alternate Dimensions" or something like that, removed the CT references and we would have a perfect cult classic.
In MY opinion Chrono Trigger is a more enjoyable game, because I consider it has far better music, a great world and a cohesive interesting story; and I consider Chrono Cross story to be a really big mess.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.manueldelalas said:
Objectively, the game IS a sequel to Chrono Trigger, as the plot continues from Chrono Trigger's plot and characters. SUBJECTIVELY, you think it's "hardly" a sequel because you think it doesn't mention them or follow from them enough or whatever your reasoning is.
whatdidyousay
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How difficult is the game? I'm dying for something to play on my DS but don't want frustration...
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
whatdidyousay said:
Easy with the exception of an optional boss (Spekkio), a boss about 2/3rds through the game (Golem Twins), and it's technically possible to choose to fight the last boss at the beginning of the game, so obviously that's tricky.
It's also not grind heavy and if you do choose to grind it goes smoothly.
I'd say Chrono Trigger is an easy RPG, grinding is rarely needed when I play through it and the battle system is so balances and fair it's not difficult to win with a good strategy. Compared to other SNES RPGs like FFVI, it's actually very forgivingwhatdidyousay said:
Similar to Earthbound, now that I think about it. If you want, you can grind for a bit in the beginning and the rest of the game will go smoothly.baphometbones
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Stumpokapow said:
Yup, I totally agree. The Golem Twins were the only bosses I ever had trouble on, and actually, that whole dungeon is kind of tricky at first, but it's optional anyway. You also can get access to some crazy good equipment late in the game which makes things easier.
whatdidyousay said:
No grinding is ever really involved unless you feel like you're under powered. The game itself is rather easy, but the bosses can be challenging if you don't follow follow their rules (i.e charging/counters). I am, however, hearing that the monster training part of the game can totally break the difficulty, making it a cakewalk before you're even 1/4 of the way through.
whatdidyousay
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Thanks guys! I might give it a shot, being a classic game that I've never played and you call yourself a gamer and all that jazz...