Chuck versus the NeoGAF - The Official Season 4 Thread - Mondays on NBC

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And now for a tasteful, yet gorgeous picture for Yvonne Night.
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That cold open was already awesome. Did not expect Lester in the bed :lol Sarah's "Welcome to American soil" was great, too.
 
This episode highlights all the problems I had with last week's, since all the elements of the show call back to its history and mythology (right down to the Roark 7)...and the writing is so much stronger and in-character for everyone (even calling back to the uneasy partnership between Sarah and Casey).

This episode is how you do an episode of Chuck without all the reference humor.
 
I don't know if they went there for real.

That would just be... weird.

Loved the episode otherwise. Can't wait to hear about the angry emails for their use of "shemale."
 
I'm almost willing to bet that the TV-14 came from the implied torture scenes and not from the gratuitous use of a canteen on a black, water-absorbent tank top in a Muay Thai fight.
 
Fantastic episode.

- I am so, so glad they didn't go for an amnesia arc. I was dreading they were going to go that way, but lucky the Belgian's memory wiping device is apparently a cheap model that requires a complete wipe before stuff is deleted. Although I wonder if in the coming weeks there might be some small things he forgets.

- Strahovski did a wonderful job during the episode. I wish we got dark Sarah more often, even if it wouldn't make much sense. And the whole blond she-male thing. :lol

- I am surprised they are going forward with Chuck being de-intersected. I guess maybe this was leading up to a possible series finale in a few episodes, but I hope they continue forward with it for a while.

- Casey and Morgan were both great. Morgan ruining young Chuck's proposal plan (if only he kept the Delorian) was touching. Casey also had a great moment where he is describing what a horrible place they were in when the waitress came up. "Ahh, Mr. Casey! Your usual?"

- A lot of call backs in the episode. Both the Rourke 7 and a Langston Graham mention.

- Poor Awesome with the medical exams. Also I can't wait to see what was on the laptop. My first instinct was a new intersect, but I am not sure. From what we know about them, Ellie would be ok, but wouldn't it fry Awesome's mind? I am thinking it is something different.
 
Still love Chuck but I am beyond tired of the Chuck - Sarah emo bullshit. It was unbearable last episode and it was pretty bad in this one too. It's ruining an otherwise wonderful show.
 
CHCH HD magically reappeared in my channel list, so I got to watch Chuck live for the first time in a while. Yay!

ag-my001 said:
I'm almost willing to bet that the TV-14 came from the implied torture scenes and not from the gratuitous use of a canteen on a black, water-absorbent tank top in a Muay Thai fight.
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I assumed it was for opening dream sequence which contained a little more...movement than is normally decent.

Awesome is kind of dumb for letting civilians anywhere a computer that he knew belonged to a super spy. The results were kind of funny though.
 
Screaming_Gremlin said:
Fantastic episode.
- Poor Awesome with the medical exams. Also I can't wait to see what was on the laptop. My first instinct was a new intersect, but I am not sure. From what we know about them, Ellie would be ok, but wouldn't it fry Awesome's mind? I am thinking it is something different.
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We can't really know for sure. The Intersect rules have been woefully inconsistent throughout the series. Season 1 established that only a very special brain could sustain the Intersect, but further seasons have drifted away from that hypothesis with several arcs, making it possible for the Intersect to work with just about anyone's brain. Off the top of my head, conflicting mentions on both sides include:

-The exam that got Chuck kicked from Stanford in the first place
-Ted Roark trying to create an Intersect army, and himself wondering why he didn't flash
-Shaw being able to have the Intersect because it was convenient that he could
-In vs. the Suburbs, the bad guys were surprised Chuck survived the Fulcrum Intersect
-The 2.0 was originally designed to go into Bryce Larkin's brain
-Intersect glasses, last season?
-The Governor messed with those rules, too. Papa B's "You're special"

Really, assumption based on those rules are worthless because it really will depend on how it fits the writers' story ideas and their feeling of the moment much more than whether it's possible in the show's established universe.

It's possible that it's not the Intersect, but nothing points in either direction for the moment. However, the cliffhanger was clearly designed so we'd assume it is.
 
Did anyone hear the Zachary Levi interview on the Opie & Anthony show last Friday? Sounded like they all had a great time, and Jim Norton's reaction to his publicist was hilarious.
 
RevoDS said:
It's possible that it's not the Intersect, but nothing points in either direction for the moment. However, the cliffhanger was clearly designed so we'd assume it is.
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Everything you said is true. The only other reason I think it is probably not an intersect is it would be a rather weird thing to give Ellie in the middle of her pregnancy storyline. They couldn't do any action scenes if it is a 2.0, and even if it is the original they wouldn't be able to do anything that puts her in danger. And if she is just sitting in Castle flashing on files it seems like wasted opportunity.
 
Screaming_Gremlin said:
Fantastic episode.

- Poor Awesome with the medical exams. Also I can't wait to see what was on the laptop. My first instinct was a new intersect, but I am not sure. From what we know about them, Ellie would be ok, but wouldn't it fry Awesome's mind? I am thinking it is something different.
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Great episode, and it ended with the implication that
Ellie or Awesome might get an Intersect
, but that doesn't seem likely. Still, with the latter, that could introduce a new path for the show's plot.

I'm thinking it's going to be something completely out of left field that no one is expecting.
 
Seems unlikely that it's an Intersect...whenever Chuck got it it just flashed on him without warning. Ellie had time to say "Oh my god", so it could just be some top secret information or she saw a screen that said "push button to become Intersect".
 
Good stuff tonight - Sarah kicking ass, some amusing humor, and a little bit of mythology added in, too. Probably the least amount of screen time that Levi's ever had on the show, right? I don't think they'll intersect Ellie or Awesome, so I'm very curious what was on the computer. Oh, it was a little disappointing that they didn't give Richard Chamberlain more to work with this week.

ag-my001 said:
I'm almost willing to bet that the TV-14 came from the implied torture scenes and not from the gratuitous use of a canteen on a black, water-absorbent tank top in a Muay Thai fight.
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Yeah, it had to be the ammonia.
Screaming_Gremlin said:
- I am so, so glad they didn't go for an amnesia arc. I was dreading they were going to go that way, but lucky the Belgian's memory wiping device is apparently a cheap model that requires a complete wipe before stuff is deleted. Although I wonder if in the coming weeks there might be some small things he forgets.
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Yeah, I was kinda hoping that they'd leave some gaps in his memory like not remembering anything of the Buy More. Shows with actual consequences are more interesting to me.
 
When it happened to Chuck, he didn't say "Oh my god". He didn't even have time to react. I doubt it's intersecting both of them.

Sepinwall doesn't seem to think it's that in his review either. I'm leaning heavily towards not an intersect.
 
I think that geared towards Ellie, the computer wouldn't have the Intersect in it.

Pops Bartowski has enough common sense not to give the car to Ellie specifically, and then give her the intersect as well.
 
orion isn't a dumbass. why would he want to intersect ellie.

also, can we assume...

Season 4 season finale - Chuck proposes to Sarah

Season 5 season finale (if we're lucky enough) - Chuck/Sarah Wedding
 
woodchuck said:
orion isn't a dumbass. why would he want to intersect ellie.
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Yeah, I agree. He didn't even want Chuck in the spygame... why would he want his daughter in it? If that's what it is, then it's just really poor writing...
 
Cornballer said:
Maybe it's Orion's secret pancake recipe.
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He discovered the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices.

woodchuck said:
Season 4 season finale - Chuck proposes to Sarah
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I figure that was originally planned for episode 13, so I wonder if they would leave it there or move it out to the new end of the season.
 
Screaming_Gremlin said:
He discovered the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices.



I figure that was originally planned for episode 13, so I wonder if they would leave it there or move it out to the new end of the season.
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Walter Bishop beat him to it.
 
Is it so wrong that halfway through the episode, that I hoped Chuck would lose his memory, but would become a terminator? Like, killing both the Belgian and his torturer, and the next episode just him killing people that the intersect considered dangerous?


Probably, but still, that was a bit of a deus ex machina, but I doubt they would do anything interesting with it if it wasn't.
 
Eh, I didnt like the whole repetition of the "lol I know this is a dream but plz dont go" thing, but Sarah kicking ass was welcome.
 
Holy shit, what an emotional episode. Sarah and Chuck's chemistry never ceases to amaze me on this show. Sarah bursting in tears at the end got me teary, shit.

siddx said:
Still love Chuck but I am beyond tired of the Chuck - Sarah emo bullshit. It was unbearable last episode and it was pretty bad in this one too. It's ruining an otherwise wonderful show.
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Honestly, I don't quite get this complaint. The love and relationship encounters between Sarah and Chuck have been in every single episode of Chuck since the pilot. It's part of what makes the show. Morgan & Casey, Jeff & Lester, Awesome & Ellie, Chuck & Sarah: there's all these relationship/partnership arcs with each having their own niche (humor, marriage, bait & switch, spy love, etc.)

If anything, I'd say Season 4 is the best season when it comes to Chuck and Sarah's relationship because there is no longer an uncertainty that hovers around the show of "will they, won't they, sarah kisses chuck, no wait she kisses bryce, no wait they like each other, no wait new boyfriend, okay stop, wait what". It's just Chuck and Sarah in an undying rleationship. Hooray and finally, IMO.

Also, judging from the preview for next week's episode, I think I have a theory as to how Chuck gets the Intersect back (spoiler tagged because it's related to the preview):

Sarah will be near death because of Vohlkoff which will push Chuck over the edge and bring the Intersect back and will thus show that Sarah is not the psychological rock keeping the Intersect suppressed, but the trigger needed to bring it back (this can be backed up by the ending of Chuck vs Phase Three when Sarah said, in Chuck's mind, "I'm here to save you."

Just a theory. :)
 
Great episode. The "Giant Blonde She-male" bit killed me. :lol Did Morgan make a Static Shock reference in the show too? I swore he did.

I thought the Chuck/Sarah stuff was great especially when it wasn't the "Oh, he's not a spy etc etc" spiel but really the fact that Chuck's become a part of Sarah's identity. A little creepy and a little sweet at the same time.

As for the laptop, I bet it's something to have Ellie and Awesome become a bigger support role in the spy stuff like managing the intersect or something.
 
As a Belgian I must say it kinda pissed me off how they had the accent all wrong. We're not germans dammit.
 
woodchuck said:
Season 4 season finale - Chuck proposes to Sarah

Season 5 season finale (if we're lucky enough) - Chuck/Sarah Wedding
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This is what I'm expecting as well. Would be a fitting place to end the show as well with Chuck and Sarah retiring together and riding off into the sunset.
 
Sir Garbageman said:
This is what I'm expecting as well. Would be a fitting place to end the show as well with Chuck and Sarah retiring together and riding off into the sunset.
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That's NEVER been done on a series before.
 
Really enjoyed last night's episode, especially the Sarah is a "giant blonde shemale" thing, lol. I had to rewind it at first to made sure I heard it right.

What episode number was that? I'm curious how close we are to the original season finale.
 
czartim said:
That's NEVER been done on a series before.
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Chuck isn't really a bastion of originality and they're hyping up the engagement thing like crazy. You know it's gonna happen, only question as to when in Season 5 (assuming there is a season 5). The finale seems like a logical spot for it.

She-Male thing had me cracking up too.
 
Dragging out Chuck and Sarah's relationship all the way to the series finale sounds awful.

I fully expect them to go that route.
 
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