KiTA
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... Am I the only one who really doesn't like the idea of the game being "nerfed" or "balanced" as part of the, er, translation?
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... Am I the only one who really doesn't like the idea of the game being "nerfed" or "balanced" as part of the, er, translation?
Early on, teleport is your friend. Once you enter a labyrinth you've been in before, you can cast teleport and then use the l/r triggers to skip over maps and deposit yourself at the exit.
Later, you can craft Wyvern Call Tickets from Return Tickets and Transfer tickets. The WCT allows you to warp from school/waypoint to school/waypoint, skipping all the labyrinths in-between.
MUCH, much later you can craft a permanent kind of WCT.
My sorcerer and ninja have teleport. Not sure which other classes have it offhand, but it's an indispensible spell to have, IMO.
You have to keep it fun,
and a one hit boss kill without any really effort
KiTA
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True enough,
(Which is why Ragnarok was nerfed in CoH2 PS3 as well as CoH3 and beyond.)
But that is also purely in the domain of the game developers, not the localization team.
I am really, really put off by the idea that we might not get "CoH" but rather "CoH + any interesting Romhacks the translators thought would be cool." I can't articulate why really, just... no. Eww. Bad.
Unfortunately, we have to consider sales to keep doing this, and if the developer gave us the source, they have confidence that we have the best interests of the game in mind. It's not a romhack, and it's no more perfect than the original code. It's just a step toward that. A game that has broken systems will not make it in the long term. Plus, we didn't even DO it. I'm just saying that if it wasn't addressed in CoH3, I would. Leaving a game broken so it's "pure" is ridiculous.
FYI, Max roll is 60, and minimum is 6. But I wouldn't go too crazy because stats tend to even out over time.
Is the loot in the stationary chests static? Because if so, get your butt down to the Desert beyond the Witch's Woods, I found a Dragon Lance +5 and Bronze Armor +4 in there. My Warrior is dangerous now.
Got pretty far tonight. Everyone in my team can attack now, and my Warrior, Samurai, and Ranger have weapons strong enough to one-shot most of what I come across. My Monk is lagging behind though, gotta figure out how to beef her up a bit. I've got most of the second wave of quests done, just have to do the 3 on 3 in the Swordsman's Trail.
Things have gotten easier, since I've made it over the early humps. The game can still be dangerous though, I went to the third map in the desert and found myself fighting enemies who could do 500+ damage to me in one hit. So glad one of the team skills is a Super Runaway.
Got pretty far tonight. Everyone in my team can attack now, and my Warrior, Samurai, and Ranger have weapons strong enough to one-shot most of what I come across. My Monk is lagging behind though, gotta figure out how to beef her up a bit. I've got most of the second wave of quests done, just have to do the 3 on 3 in the Swordsman's Trail.
Things have gotten easier, since I've made it over the early humps. The game can still be dangerous though, I went to the third map in the desert and found myself fighting enemies who could do 500+ damage to me in one hit. So glad one of the team skills is a Super Runaway.
Contemplating that subbing my Alchemist out for a Gunner (and/or Ninja because Ninjas). :/
Loot is RNG. Which is unfortunate as I'm nearing Level 30 and still getting Level 1-7 drops from chests. Game pls.
Loot is RNG. Which is unfortunate as I'm nearing Level 30 and still getting Level 1-7 drops from chests. Game pls.
Are you talking about the crypt under the Kassata Desert? There are some really nasty monsters in there, but that's mostly because you don't really need to visit there until one of the later quests
because that's where one of the bosses is
To be fair, it's my Warrior who's closing in on 30 (27 atm) with the rest of the party still in the low 20s. He'll be seeing a Class Change soon so then I'll be back to a low-mid 20 party after that.
Anyway, just finishing up the quests that sent me to
Granite Snowfield, after the 2nd Practical Exam
Edit: Oh yeah, and I have been converting Gold to EXP occasionally. Don't think it was more than a level or two for the Warrior (mostly used on the class changed guys) but there's that as well.
Wow, you're blasting through the game! You've done around 50/96 quests so far if you've done them all.
There is a caution point coming up. DO NOT take "Fierce Martial Arts Tournament" until you've taken ALL other available quests at all the schools since taking FMAT will CLEAR the quest board and you lose the chance to do quests not taken by that point.
"Mysterious Dragon Appears" later is another one like this.
52 with 3 left to turn-in. Having a Sage has let me cheese out some of the quests. Teleporting around to find spots instead of roaming through the low level trash (seriously, why is every quest in Witch's Woods still?)
And thanks for the heads-up on the quests. Is this a bug or just a point of no return trigger?
And thanks for the heads-up on the quests. Is this a bug or just a point of no return trigger?
When I first played the Japanese version, I thought it was a bug, but when we finally got the source to look at it we decided it was a intentional point of no return trigger, which makes sense with some of the major scenario changes happening at those points. There's a third one near the very end, but I can't recall the quest trigger for it offhand.
You only have a handful of quests left that involve Witch's Woods now.
xenoflux2113
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Okay this is my first foray into Class Of Heroes. Per my promise to cj_iwakura I am making my party. Is it just experimentation as to the stat distribution and what classes become available? I am looking for Ninja, Samurai, Warrior, Monk, Ranger, and Sorcerer. I take it the alignment plays into the classes as well as certain races but I can't seem to get what I am wanting.
The stats you can allocate are random. You can keep reloading (Enroll -> Check BP -> Cancel -> Enroll -> Repeat) until you get a good number. You could reroll for 60s everywhere I guess but around the 30-ish range is usually enough for getting whatever class you want.
As for classes, you can check the manual for the exacts. You also cannot access any of the Advanced Race restriced classes from the start but none of the ones you have listed fit that. You do have Ninja and Samurai which are Evil and Good restricted on top of their stat requirements.
As for classes, you can check the manual for the exacts. You also cannot access any of the Advanced Race restriced classes from the start but none of the ones you have listed fit that. You do have Ninja and Samurai which are Evil and Good restricted on top of their stat requirements.
Stats, race, and alignment can have an effect on what's available. Have a look at the classes section of Classofheroes2.com and you can see what races can be the class you want. Then use the chart in the online manual on page 15 to see what stats you need to open the class you want.
Also bear in mind that some of the prestige classes cannot be accessed at Crostini (the starting school) and you will have to change class at Panini or Bruschetta after those open to you.
xenoflux2113
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Yeah, that's the one. I was looking for the Pink Grizzlies and wandered down there. Got the hell out soon after and found the Grizzlies elsewhere. It'll be some time before I can handle that place.
Just to reply here... ok. Though It still seems odd to be. Repeating a compound word such as "It's", without a dash, "...", some kind'a pause, or something in in between seems overly formal at best, ("It is it is too much to bear"!) which isn't the impression the rest of her character gave me. Especially in this conversation.
Then I thought it might be an English adaptation of Japan's cutesy speech impediments, but that didn't come up either...
I've I've made a terrible mistake I guess...
Nope, still sounds really weird to me. (o_0)
But after becoming swift breakfast for some land sharks, I think I need to take a break from the game for a bit anywho!
I can see it either way, but I added an ellipsis there that will be present in the patch that puts the song back. So every time you see it, you can know that it's yours.
If you see or experience anything else bug-like, let me know. We've received word of and fixed 4 or 5 text errors, and we're investigating an issue with the pointers for the alchemy recipes you buy being wrong in some cases (a recipe you buy unlocks the wrong one in Alchemy Notes), but other than that it's been a very clean release, which is a relief.
Any list of all the alchemy recipes? I experimented a little bit but the system is such that I'd rather just have a list.
Glad I read this thread. I already sold one pair of stilts. Going to have to hold on to any future ones. Also started selling my coins and went from 1000 gold to 6500. Huge jump for my level 5 party.
Glad I read this thread. I already sold one pair of stilts. Going to have to hold on to any future ones. Also started selling my coins and went from 1000 gold to 6500. Huge jump for my level 5 party.
No comprehensive alchemy recipe listing ATM. We may make one if there's enough demand, but that's a lot of work - there are about 500ish, I think...
I always sold mine for the cash.
For Alchemy, the base combines aren't too complicated. The level of the item determines what Level of material you use and how many. For instance, a Level 25 item will use 5x Level 3 materials (e.g., Iron). Level 10/20/30/etc. are oddities as they use 10x Level 1/2/3/etc. materials as opposed to 1x Level 2/3/4/etc. ones. Then there's trends you can follow for most of them (e.g., all the Sling ammos are Strong Chip of X + Strong Stone + Niello) or just some "common" sense (e.g., Metal weapons will probably be Iron, Clothes are Cloths, Leather is Hide, etc.).
That said, I haven't used Alchemy too much if only due to not getting the drops I need. I have a lot of Level 30-ish items but none are ones I'd use and then the 40-50+ stuff I do have (Diamond Knuckles why?!) that I'd use, I don't have the materials for :/ I guess I could try converting my way up but eh, I'll just rely on my Summoned Seraphim + Spells and just buy what I need for the time being.
Also, finished FMAT with 58 quests done (59 counting it, I guess). Double-checked all the schools so I hope I didn't miss anything.
That said, I haven't used Alchemy too much if only due to not getting the drops I need. I have a lot of Level 30-ish items but none are ones I'd use and then the 40-50+ stuff I do have (Diamond Knuckles why?!) that I'd use, I don't have the materials for :/ I guess I could try converting my way up but eh, I'll just rely on my Summoned Seraphim + Spells and just buy what I need for the time being.
Also, finished FMAT with 58 quests done (59 counting it, I guess). Double-checked all the schools so I hope I didn't miss anything.
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If it helps, I bought the recipe for the Venomous Mace (or something like that, not sure if it's the exact name) and didn't get anything in my inventory, nothing in the recipe item list in the Library/Yearbook, and the actual recipe for the Venomous Mace is still ???'d out. Maybe it unlocked a different recipe? I really wish I could filter the alchemy list to only show the recipes I owned.
Most-likely it unlocked a different recipe. That's the pointer issue we're trying to nail down. It doesn't open nothing at all, it opens the wrong recipe, but it's not all the time, many work fine.
Someone (you?) on gamefaqs did the same thing, so I looked up the recipe for them:
Venomous Mace
Smashed Poison Mace x 1
Wire x 5
Whetstone x 1
Haven't posted on Gamefaqs in probably a decade, but the recipe is much appreciated. The Whetstone is what threw me off, that's why I couldn't figure it out myself.
Aw, but that's the fun part of dungeon crawlers.
Medusa's Gaze -> Full party Petrify. That's probably the worst I've seen so far. I think that's the game telling me to rethink my decision of not making sure I had a disarmer. But, you know what? I think it's perfectly fine considering what Summoner and Sage do for me. Summoner ends boss fights and Sage Teleports me around and one-shots random encounters. It balances out somewhere I think.
Speaking of Teleport, Bridge over Dark Waters would probably be awful if not for Teleport I think.
Speaking of Teleport, Bridge over Dark Waters would probably be awful if not for Teleport I think.
PepsimanVsJoe
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It's worth diverting to Puppeteer to get their unlock spell. You'll never have to worry about disarming a chest again(unless you happen to be in an anti-magic zone).
Really not feeling Necromancer. I haven't found anything viable about him. Also due to his sucky MP gains, I can't put my large cache of Sorcerer spells to use.
Really not feeling Necromancer. I haven't found anything viable about him. Also due to his sucky MP gains, I can't put my large cache of Sorcerer spells to use.
KiTA
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What does Necromancer do anyway? The wiki made it sound like he just has a bunch of auto-crit spells that only hit certain races.
Yeah, I kind of wish I had started my Alchemist as a Puppeteer to get that instead of starting with a Ranger. Or, y'know, just having a Human Gunner there, affinity be damned.
I might just blow some gold and class change to Puppeteer, level it up to a decent HP/MP and then swap back to Alchemist. Should only take all of my gold (~500k).
cj_iwakura
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I can't believe how sadistic Witch's Woods are. Nothing in Dark Spire was as vile as this place.
It has ten maps for crying out loud!
It has ten maps for crying out loud!
Dandy Crocodile
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If I remember correctly, the item he requests is 800. Does he give 1000 or was it the exact amount? And just after that quest was when I started making enough money to afford more than petty little items in the shop.
1000.
Gathering 800 gold isn't too tough, especially if you can access the Witch's Woods at that point (can't remember). So if you want to use it as an "advance," you can probably manage it.
That being said, if you're doing the Muscle Booster J quest too, that's 1000 gold and is found in the same shop. I had about 2k at that point including the principal's money, so I needed it all for those two quests.
That being said, if you're doing the Muscle Booster J quest too, that's 1000 gold and is found in the same shop. I had about 2k at that point including the principal's money, so I needed it all for those two quests.
This was the weirdest PSN buy for me! I usually don't like Wizardry type games (too hard, game over makes me sad), but I wanted a new game on my Vita in case the tropical storm knocked the power out for a few hours. No power outage, but I'm glad I bought it.
It was strangely fun trying to get lots of BP (45 is the highest for me). I'm wondering if I'm playing it "correctly"? Do I need to map out the entire map before I get a new area open? Or just finish the bulletin board quests?
It was strangely fun trying to get lots of BP (45 is the highest for me). I'm wondering if I'm playing it "correctly"? Do I need to map out the entire map before I get a new area open? Or just finish the bulletin board quests?
I'd spend it and use the new weapons to earn back the dough along the way to buy the thing you need that's 800.