Cleveland police officer shoots 12-year-old boy carrying BB gun

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Tagyhag said:
I agree, the age of the kid should have been taken into account, but that's probably where the rookie status took hold.
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The only problem is that we don't know how big the kid was.

If he's short and skinny, it's a lot easier to assume he is, in fact, a kid.

My brother was 5'9 halfway through being twelve because puberty hit him like a ton of bricks. Stick him in a coat with a camo-hat and he could have easily passed for eighteen.
 
Zaku said:
The only problem is that we don't know how big the kid was.

If he's short and skinny, it's a lot easier to assume he is, in fact, a kid.

My brother was 5'9 halfway through being twelve because puberty hit him like a ton of bricks. Stick him in a coat with a camo-hat and he could have easily passed for eighteen.
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That's a good point as well! It would be interesting to hear the 911 call.
 
Tagyhag said:
That's a good point as well! It would be interesting to hear the 911 call.
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It's linked on one of the articles.

Basically, to sum up what the caller said...

He was dressed in a camo hat and black jacket, sitting on a swing pointing the gun at people, and the gun was "probably fake" (which he seems unsure of by the end of the call) and he might be a juvenile, but that he was "scaring the shit out of everybody."

Between the description and the fact it actually merited a 911 call, I'm not exactly picturing someone who was very obviously just a stupid kid being a stupid kid at first glance.

Edit: You can listen to the 911 call here.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
ugh. Again kids are always idiots. It's up to an officer to correctly assess a situation. Kids rarely shoot or kill officers.

Its a lot more common for a kid to be holding a BB gun than a real gun. And it's a lot more common for an officer to shoot and kill a child than a child to have a real gun or to shoot and kill an officer.

But yeah. Officers don't need common sense because their job is to protect and serve themselves.
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Nope, there is no chance a 12 year-old could have a real gun and shoot someone with it.

Oh, what's that? A 12 year-old boy shot his 9 year-old sister with a 9mm last week?

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...shot_in_chest_by_brother_newark_cops_say.html

And last month, a 12 year-old boy shot and killed his 16 year-old sister before turning the gun on himself.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-sister-murder-suicide-cops-article-1.1971007

Here's another from August, a 12 year-old boy shot and killed a homeless man.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/police-12yearold-shot-killed-homeless-man/27243908

A kid with a gun is just as potentially deadly as an adult with a gun.

When kids have access to gun, bad things can happen.
 
Tagyhag said:
Not really, it was probably a moment of panic like "Wait it's not real look!"

The kid was only 12, he was an idiot, and his parents are idiots for letting him such a realistic gun in the first place. I assume the green officer immediately remembered his training about not hesitating because you will die. He obviously wouldn't have shot a damn kid if he knew it was a fake.

It's a shitty situation all around.
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Agree with this, and that's the most likely scenario here. Unfortunate, but that BB gun looks indistinguishable at a glance from a real gun.
 
Zaku said:
One: He wasn't playing with a toy gun. He was pointing a realistic looking replica gun at people in a public place.

Two: We don't know anything about the kid. Some 12-year-olds look ten, some look as old as eighteen. Unless we see a picture of him at 4'6", we can't assume he actually looked like a kid, and it's not like he was running around with his age clipped to his shoulder.

Three: He ignored an armed police officer's directions and instead reached for what everyone in this thread will agree looks startlingly like a real god-damned weapon.

This isn't about some white cop being afraid of black kids, it's about a police officer responding to a situation exactly as he was trained to do, because the officer quite reasonably concludede that he might about to be shot based on the evidence in front of him.

All dispatch knew was that the gun might be fake, and the suspect might be a kid. For all the officer knew, it was a short adult, the gun was real, and the suspect was on some kind of drug.

The logical result of this story shouldn't ever be "Cops hate black kids and want to shoot them", but "Giving children access to fake replica guns and not educating them about handling them responsibly is a terrible god-damned idea."

Edit: Also, as an aside, assuming this is a racial thing is just.... Gah. Way to turn a senseless tragedy into a political talking point. Good job.



It's stated in the 911 call.
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I love this post because whats a political talking point to you is everyday life and death situations for me and anyone with a face that holds the same color. It shows you have no idea what you're talking about nor should you ever speak on this matter when you boil my point down to "cops hate black kids and want to shoot them".
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I love this post because whats a political talking point to you is everyday life and death situations for me and anyone with a face that holds the same color. It shows you have no idea what you're talking about nor should you ever speak on this matter when you boil my point down to "cops hate black kids and want to shoot them".
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I think once you calm down a bit, you may see what he's trying to say a bit clearer.
 
Syriel said:
Nope, there is no chance a 12 year-old could have a real gun and shoot someone with it.

Oh, what's that? A 12 year-old boy shot his 9 year-old sister with a 9mm last week?

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...shot_in_chest_by_brother_newark_cops_say.html

And last month, a 12 year-old boy shot and killed his 16 year-old sister before turning the gun on himself.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-sister-murder-suicide-cops-article-1.1971007

Here's another from August, a 12 year-old boy shot and killed a homeless man.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/police-12yearold-shot-killed-homeless-man/27243908

A kid with a gun is just as potentially deadly as an adult with a gun.

When kids have access to gun, bad things can happen.
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Congrats. You have absolutely no reading comprehension. Would you like to play again?

Kids rarely shoot or kill officers
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*gives meaningless (to what I said) examples of kids shooting other kids*
Its a lot more common for a kid to be holding a BB gun than a real gun
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*provides pointless (to what I said) examples of kids shooting other kids*

And it's a lot more common for an officer to shoot and kill a child than a child to have a real gun or to shoot and kill an officer.
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*provides article about a kid shooting a homeless man*

So. Where did I say "Kids don't ever kill people with guns!"? My point was it's a lot more common for officers to shoot and kill children than children to shoot and kill officers. Most of the times the kids either are unarmed, have a misidentified object or have a BB gun.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I love this post because whats a political talking point to you is everyday life and death situations for me and anyone with a face that holds the same color. It shows you have no idea what you're talking about nor should you ever speak on this matter when you boil my point down to "cops hate black kids and want to shoot them".
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I boiled your post down to "cops hate black kids and want to shoot them" because that's exactly what you said.

I didn't misquote or selectively quote you.

You directly said "Police officers are scared silly of black little children (and Im sure they say, "ever heard of child soldiers!) and resort to shoot first ask questions later.

So yeah. I do blame the officer. He let his prejudiced views of blacks cause him to handle the situation extremely poorly."

There's no way to misconstrue your point there. You are precisely saying "This officer was prejudiced against black people and shot him rather than deal with the situation reasonably".

It's racist as hell to assume that the officer wouldn't have shot a someone else in the same situation, especially when the officer followed existing police training pretty much down to the letter.

The suspect had a realistic looking weapon, which he'd been repeatedly using to threaten others in public. He put it in his pants from a table when officers arrived, and reached for it rather than putting his hands up when ordered to do so by the police officer.

That's a recipe to get shot whether you're black, white, green, blue, or purple with yellow polka dots.
 
Awful situation for all involved. I don't really think of Cleveland as the hotbed for underage criminal activity, especially gun violence, but that was a life/death call. As a police officer you have to deal with a lot of shit and you don't know if the person is reaching for a wallet or a pistol, in this case it realistically looked like a gun. There's not really much to be learned here except do not let children play with realistic fake guns/bb guns that look like real guns and teach them about the consequences of such actions.
 
Zaku said:
I boiled your post down to "cops hate black kids and want to shoot them" because that's exactly what you said.

I didn't misquote or selectively quote you.

You directly said "Police officers are scared silly of black little children (and Im sure they say, "ever heard of child soldiers!) and resort to shoot first ask questions later.

So yeah. I do blame the officer. He let his prejudiced views of blacks cause him to handle the situation extremely poorly."

There's no way to misconstrue your point there. You are precisely saying "This officer was prejudiced against black people and shot him rather than deal with the situation reasonably".

It's racist as hell to assume that the officer wouldn't have shot a someone else in the same situation, especially when the officer followed existing police training pretty much down to the letter.

The suspect had a realistic looking weapon, which he'd been repeatedly using to threaten others in public. He put it in his pants from a table when officers arrived, and reached for it rather than putting his hands up when ordered to do so by the police officer.

That's a recipe to get shot whether you're black, white, green, blue, or purple with yellow polka dots.
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This is what I said "Police officers are scared silly of black little children (and Im sure they say, "ever heard of child soldiers!) and resort to shoot first ask questions later. "

Being legitimately scared or fearful of black people in general because you have illegitimate and prejudiced views of blacks and guns and violence does not mean you HATE blacks and want to kill them. You played the reading comprehension game and failed.
 
I think it depends on state, whether you need to keep to orange tip on it or not. I think if you are shipping it, it must be on.

"It was just a kid!", yes a kid who reached for what could have been a real weapon. It's not the first time a kid killed somebody with a gun. And in such a situation there is no time to stand around and discuss how often a kid draws a gun on a police officer specifically, and figure out how likely it is that it's a real gun or not.

You'd be raging if it turned out to be a real gun and the kid shot somebody, "why didn't the police do anything when he reached for the gun!?"
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
This is what I said "Police officers are scared silly of black little children (and Im sure they say, "ever heard of child soldiers!) and resort to shoot first ask questions later. "

Being legitimately scared or fearful of black people in general because you have illegitimate and prejudiced views of blacks and guns and violence does not mean you HATE blacks and want to kill them. You played the reading comprehension game and failed.
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Or, and going out on a limb here, the officer was concerned for his safety because he was approaching a suspect who'd been pointing a god-damned gun at people and he shot because the suspect reached for the gun when confronted.

Assuming this is about race is a uselessly inflammatory standpoint.
 
Zaku said:
Or, and going out on a limb here, the officer was concerned for his safety because he was approaching a suspect who'd been pointing a god-damned gun at people and he shot because the suspect reached for the gun when confronted.

Assuming this is about race is a uselessly inflammatory standpoint.
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keep in mind who you're responding to
 
Zaku said:
Or, and going out on a limb here, the officer was concerned for his safety because he was approaching a suspect who'd been pointing a god-damned gun at people and he shot because the suspect reached for the gun when confronted.

Assuming this is about race is a uselessly inflammatory standpoint.
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Because US cops haven't totally set a precedent in the last few months in several high profile cases of wanton deaths of black males.

In fact, if you think racism is involved, that makes you the real racist!
 
Zaku said:
Or, and going out on a limb here, the officer was concerned for his safety because he was approaching a suspect who'd been pointing a god-damned gun at people and he shot because the suspect reached for the gun when confronted.

Assuming this is about race is a uselessly inflammatory standpoint.
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Im not saying the officer didn't have a right to be scared or question the situation. It's just officers tend to treat white citizens with empathy, understanding and trust. Officers deal with blacks in a very cold, calculative and robotic way.

I'm not saying anything (nor do I ever) that can't be backed up with a plethora of credible studies. But yes, ignore what Im saying and continue to act as if this isn't a systemic problem in America.

freenudemacusers said:
keep in mind who you're responding to
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I always bring numbers to my defense. So yes. Keep that in mind when responding to me. If all you have is "don't listen to him because he always does this" or "you're being inflammatory!" then maybe you shouldn't respond. If either of you have numbers to show otherwise then I'll shutup.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
Im not saying the officer didn't have a right to be scared or question the situation. It's just officers tend to treat white citizens with empathy, understanding and trust. Officers deal with blacks in a very cold, calculative and robotic way.

I'm not saying anything (nor do I ever) that can't be backed up with a plethora of credible studies. But yes, ignore what Im saying and continue to act as if this isn't a systemic problem in America.
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Is what you're talking about true?
Yes.

Does it have anything to do with the specific details of this story?
No.
 
Weiss said:
Because US cops haven't totally set a precedent in the last few months in several high profile cases of wanton deaths of black males.

In fact, if you think racism is involved, that makes you the real racist!
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Bottom line, can you look at this particular case and say the cop acted in a prejudiced manner, given the evidence we have available? I see precisely zero to support that. I don't get being outraged over cases that don't warrant it, as if there aren't any legitimate ones to be mad at. This is not the case (so far) to hang this particular hat on.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
It's not ever here. It's always ... somewhere ... else.
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There are times when race is paramount in the decision making of police officers. However, if it's true that the boy reached for the weapon rather than putting his hands up, then that was likely the detail that was most responsible for the officers reaction.

Unless/Until there are eye witness statements refuting the current account, this is not a case where prejudice is the stance to take.
 
So the kid was black? Neither story actually mentions his race from what I can see, though going by the 911 caller not even being sure that he's a juvenile and the fact that police actually shot him, I suppose it can generally be assumed.

If so, then this study likely has relevance to both the caller and police:

Black Boys Viewed as Older, Less Innocent Than Whites, Research Finds

The study also involved 264 mostly white, female undergraduate students from large public U.S. universities. In one experiment, students rated the innocence of people ranging from infants to 25-year-olds who were black, white or an unidentified race. The students judged children up to 9 years old as equally innocent regardless of race, but considered black children significantly less innocent than other children in every age group beginning at age 10, the researchers found.

The students were also shown photographs alongside descriptions of various crimes and asked to assess the age and innocence of white, black or Latino boys ages 10 to 17. The students overestimated the age of blacks by an average of 4.5 years and found them more culpable than whites or Latinos, particularly when the boys were matched with serious crimes, the study found. Researchers used questionnaires to assess the participants’ prejudice and dehumanization of blacks. They found that participants who implicitly associated blacks with apes thought the black children were older and less innocent.
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“The evidence shows that perceptions of the essential nature of children can be affected by race, and for black children, this can mean they lose the protection afforded by assumed childhood innocence well before they become adults,” said co-author Matthew Jackson, PhD, also of UCLA. “With the average age overestimation for black boys exceeding four-and-a-half years, in some cases, black children may be viewed as adults when they are just 13 years old.”
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Foxy Fox 39 said:
I always bring numbers to my defense. So yes. Keep that in mind when responding to me. If all you have is "don't listen to him because he always does this" or "you're being inflammatory!" then maybe you shouldn't respond. If either of you have numbers to show otherwise then I'll shutup.
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i'm referring mostly to disingenuous bait posting, but ymmv
 
Rembrandt said:
So why do cops even have tasers or pepper spray? It's unfortunate that this happened and this gun looks extremely real, but aren't their precautions in place? Especially when the victim is obviously not even an adult.
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I've got a deal for you, a good old fashioned western standoff. You get pepper spray, I get a gun.

Are you up for it? Yeah, didn't think so.
 
hydrophilic attack said:
Horrible.

Second ammendment supporters: is it worth it?
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Kettch said:
So the kid was black? Neither story actually mentions his race from what I can see, though going by the 911 caller not even being sure that he's a juvenile and the fact that police actually shot him, I suppose it can generally be assumed.

If so, then this study likely has relevance to both the caller and police:

Black Boys Viewed as Older, Less Innocent Than Whites, Research Finds
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I'm glad you posted this since I'm on mobile. but yeah, crazy foxy with his race bait posting habits! No one is going to respond tp the numbers, the mounds and mounds of studies that show the average (no not your down south kkk member) white person subconciously views black people in a terribly prejudiced light. and it goes across all social fields. black people feel less pain. black people are more violent, black people are dumber on average, black people can't be trusted, black people lie more often. and these same studies show that whites have a much harder time showing empathy toward blacks than other races and often support harsher punishments for blacks as well. Again these are subconscious biases that your average non racist white American holds. It's not surprising to me that this thread is filled with the comments it's filled with nor was it surprising that so many people failed to understand what i initially said.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
My point was it's a lot more common for officers to shoot and kill children than children to shoot and kill officers. Most of the times the kids either are unarmed, have a misidentified object or have a BB gun.
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The things is, 'most of the times' is not 100%. If this kid was indeed armed and ready to shoot the officer would have been shot. And in this case he actually pulled his gun so what else would one expect from a police officer? Take a 50% chance that the gun is not real?
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I'm glad you posted this since I'm on mobile. but yeah, crazy foxy with his race bait posting habits! No one is going to respond tp the numbers, the mounds and mounds of studies that show the average (no not your down south kkk member) white person subconciously views black people in a terribly prejudiced light. and it goes across all social fields. black people feel less pain. black people are more violent, black people are dumber on average, black people can't be trusted, black people lie more often. and these same studies show that whites have a much harder time showing empathy toward blacks than other races and often support harsher punishments for blacks as well. Again these are subconscious biases that your average non racist white American holds. It's not surprising to me that this thread is filled with the comments it's filled with nor was it surprising that so many people failed to understand what i initially said.
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You're going hard with the prejudice angle, insinuating that it's the primary cause for the officers decision when the much more obvious reason was that he was a rookie and the kid reached for the gun in his waistband. Unless there are eye witnesses who state that the kid didn't reach for the gun, then citing prejudice whether conscious or subconscious is extremely early in this particular situation. I honestly don't know why you refuse to acknowledge that.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
Congrats. You have absolutely no reading comprehension. Would you like to play again?


*gives meaningless (to what I said) examples of kids shooting other kids*
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*provides pointless (to what I said) examples of kids shooting other kids*


*provides article about a kid shooting a homeless man*

So. Where did I say "Kids don't ever kill people with guns!"? My point was it's a lot more common for officers to shoot and kill children than children to shoot and kill officers. Most of the times the kids either are unarmed, have a misidentified object or have a BB gun.
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You heavily implied that because this was a kid, that the officer should not have feared for his life.

You completely, and utterly, avoided the plain fact that the kid had an extremely realistic looking BB gun and had been threatening others with it before the officer arrived. When the officer told him to put up his hands, the kid reached into his pants and started to draw the weapon.

Yes, officers are not as likely to be killed by kids with guns, but that doesn't mean kids with guns don't shoot at officers. Take a look at any big city crime statistics. And yes, officers do get shot (and killed) by kids because the guns work just as well in younger hands (which was the point illustrated by the links).

You tried to throw in a strawman about "child soldiers," yet you overlook the very real prospect of immature kids with guns, teenage gang members with guns and opportunistic access.

An officer doesn't know the background of who he or she is dealing with.

In this case it was an unknown person who had been brandishing a gun and was drawing on the officer when shot. The prior brandishing alone would be enough to put the officer on alert because every gun owner knows, you don't point a gun at something unless you're willing to kill it. If this kid had already pointed (what appeared to be) a gun at others, it is very reasonable to assume that he wouldn't have had any issue with pulling the trigger.

There are MANY examples of police officers fucking up and they deserve to get called out on it. But this is far from a questionable case at this point. It makes far more sense to call out the cases where police did screw up, rather than focusing on one example where the officer in question appeared to go by the book.
 
HighResTomato said:
What does this have to do with the Second Amendment*? The kid had a fake gun, a police officer shot him, not a private citizen.
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One important reason for the cops being so on edge in the US is the fact that guns are so widely distributed among private citizens. In pretty much any other country, it would pretty much have been outside realm of possibility that a 12-year-old boy would be carrying a real gun, so bystanders and cops alike would have been much less likely to panic like this.
 
What a shitty situation for both parties. Where are this kids parents/guardians?? Im sorry, cop was justified in protecting himself since the kid drew on him after he asked him to put his hands up.
 
Jmanunknown said:
Uh yes you can one is a street judge I mean police officer carrying a loaded weapon the other is a kid playing with a bb gun. One person is in the hospital fighting for their life the other gets to go home unharmed. Only one person fired a gun and it was not the kid carrying a bb gun so yes you can blame the street judges sorry I mean police officers.
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Do you undestand the concept of hindsight? Because it doesn't seem like you do here.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I'm glad you posted this since I'm on mobile. but yeah, crazy foxy with his race bait posting habits! No one is going to respond tp the numbers, the mounds and mounds of studies that show the average (no not your down south kkk member) white person subconciously views black people in a terribly prejudiced light. and it goes across all social fields. black people feel less pain. black people are more violent, black people are dumber on average, black people can't be trusted, black people lie more often. and these same studies show that whites have a much harder time showing empathy toward blacks than other races and often support harsher punishments for blacks as well. Again these are subconscious biases that your average non racist white American holds. It's not surprising to me that this thread is filled with the comments it's filled with nor was it surprising that so many people failed to understand what i initially said.
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Dude I am not going to object to any of the things you are saying here. It's fucked up. Police are systematically prejudiced against black and hispanic people (I'm one of them).

That said, going by the facts of this case (*as stated in the article*), I don't see how you can find fault with the cop's actions.

If the article is wrong and it's a bullshit story then of course the cop deserves to be locked away forever...but we haven't seen any indication of that yet.

If the cop wouldn't have shot the kid if it was a white kid instead of a black one (do we know the kid is black?) then it's also fucked up...but we don't have any indication of that, either. Can't condemn this individual for perceived prejudice.

If I were in that cop's position and the exact situation as described in the article unfolded, I would've shot him too. I don't care if you're black or white or 12 years old, you can't reach for something that looks exactly like a handgun when told to put your hands up.

As for it's super-rare for 12 year olds to shoot officers...well yeah. It's extremely rare for children to shoot anyone. It still happens.
 
As unfortunate as the shooting is, I think it was justified--assuming the police account is true. It doesn't matter that the gun was not a real gun, because it appears to be a real gun. Police are not omniscient, and so have to work with the best evidence available to them at a given time. If someone pulls something that looks like a gun when confronted by the police, the logical conclusion is that that thing's a gun and it's going to be used.

I also can't imagine why the frequency with which children shoot police would ever be relevant in determining whether a police shooting of a child was justified. But, even assuming that it were relevant, the correct question would not be, "How many children shoot police?" but "How many children, having already pulled a gun on the police, will attempt to shoot the police?" Those numbers are probably much closer, and correspond to the situation these police found themselves in.
 
The caller said the kid was black after the operator asked him like 3-4 times "is he black or white."

There are some kids around my neighborhood who have little airsoft wars, haven't seen them do it but they tell me about it. I need to make sure they aren't acting a fool like this.

Probably was some dumb kid who got scared and wanted to show it wasn't real but Jesus that gun looks so real. Plus, aiming at people...
 
Quixzlizx said:
Do you undestand the concept of hindsight? Because it doesn't seem like you do here.
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Did you read any of my other posts or just the first one? Because if you read my other post in the topic you would not try to be a smart ass but, I guess in hindsight you probably did not.
 
Jmanunknown said:
definition of of deserve- do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Y


I am sorry but, you saying it was ok for the cop to shoot the kid in this situation because he thought the gun was real leads to the consequence of the kid getting shot which it turn means you are saying he deserved it.
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This concept of "deserved" betrays faulty thinking in many topics concerning either police shootings or regular citizens acting in self defense. Some people look at what the person who was acted on "deserved." The obvious problem with this is that citizens or police acting to defend themselves or others are not punishing anyone. Shooting them or hitting them are not punitive measures, their only purpose is to prevent injury to one's self or others. What someone deserves never enters into it.

I see this kind of thinking also when someone who did something bad is punished by a vigilante. This, some reason, is good because they "deserved" it. For some reason people operate as if the law allows anyone to act in the pursuit of punishment as long as that punishment is deserved. So you're allowed to chase criminals and beat them up despite them fleeing and you're not allowed to shoot a nice guy waving a gun.
 
All replica and air powered guns in Australia have the same requirements as normal firearms - licensing, the requirement for a "legitimate reason", safe storage, registration and you aren't allowed to carry them loaded in public. You might be able to get something like that here but for all the trouble you'd have to go through, and the restrictions on where you could shoot it, you'd may as well just get the real thing.

An ex-friend of mine has a firearms conviction against his name for owning a replica revolver, which is never a good look.

Note - I don't think the US should totally go down the same nanny state road as they have done here, I'm just pointing out the differences.
 
hydrophilic attack said:
One important reason for the cops being so on edge in the US is the fact that guns are so widely distributed among private citizens. In pretty much any other country, it would pretty much have been outside realm of possibility that a 12-year-old boy would be carrying a real gun, so bystanders and cops alike would have been much less likely to panic like this.
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I agree. Too bad American citizens don't give a shit if a kid dies ... this has been proven over and over again that we as a culture can't grow the fuck up and get over this dependency on violence ...
 
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