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CM Punk Walks Out of the WWE
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Agreed. I think where the Attitude Era really is best above all other era's is they build up multiple main event level stars as opposed to only having one or two real main eventers. You had Rock, Stone Cold, Taker, Mankind, Triple H and a whole load more that could main event PPV's and draw crowds.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This is way too cynical. Cena's over with everyone. 18-49 men want to like the guy, because he works hard and is legitimately good at just about everything that has to do with wrestling, but his character hasn't changed in a decade and he's too constantly and predictably victorious.
The overall WWE roster for most of the Attutude Era was really weak compared to what WCW had, but they booked the main events well and still drew entertainment from the undercard, even if the in-ring wrestling wasn't the greatest.
It wasn't until 2000 when they kicked Russo out and got the Radicalz to fill holes in the roster did the in ring product really started being great. In fact, I'd say 2000 is the best year in the history of the company.
It wasn't until 2000 when they kicked Russo out and got the Radicalz to fill holes in the roster did the in ring product really started being great. In fact, I'd say 2000 is the best year in the history of the company.
Razgriz-Specter
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I don't get the part timer hate.
The Rocks, Stone Colds, HHHs and such weren't popular just because the WWE made them that way.
The new talent of the post attitude era had years to come up with stars...
Cena was the biggest we got.
If some of the others developed an ounce of charisma the WWE wouldn't be stuck in a position like this.
Though I admit im not a fan of the return of Brock Lesnar or Batista.
The Rocks, Stone Colds, HHHs and such weren't popular just because the WWE made them that way.
The new talent of the post attitude era had years to come up with stars...
Cena was the biggest we got.
If some of the others developed an ounce of charisma the WWE wouldn't be stuck in a position like this.
Though I admit im not a fan of the return of Brock Lesnar or Batista.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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CM Punk and Bryan are both as charismatic and capable as anyone from any era. The topic is how the company doesn't care. Daniel Bryan's "Yes" chant was just a thing he did on his own, and it's gotten him super, super over, but it's not getting him anywhere without the support of his bosses.
Part-timers from older eras needing to come back isn't a sign that today's stars are failing. It's a sign that the company is failing today's talent. It's an admission that they don't know how to make new stars.
they already have plenty of talented people but you wouldn't know it because they have have wrestlers tone down their move sets and have c list hollywood writers (soap opera) writing for the talent.
PHOENIXZERO
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I was a fan of Cena back in his Prototype days from when he started out in UPW and knew he was destined to be on top of the company but it bums me out how much of a company tool he ended up being.
crimsonspider89
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The current direction is PREVENTING these younger guys from becoming bigger.
They are preventing hte younger guys from becoming big with the part timers and constantly feeding them to the older wrestlers.
That is the issue.
They are preventing hte younger guys from becoming big with the part timers and constantly feeding them to the older wrestlers.
That is the issue.
Part timers coming back for the fans isn't bad but when they come back at the expense of developing the new talents it's just stupidly short term thinking. There's a huge amount of talent in the WWE and if they could actually book their talent effectively they'd be set.
I don't have problem with Lesnar because he's enjoyable to watch and he's never in the way. Batista's just a mediocre wrestler who's getting a mega push at the expense of people who're actually talented and have worked hard for a push.
The Main Event
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NXT is filled with brilliant charismatic wrestlers. Too bad most of them won't ever have the opportunity to shine and be part of the main roster.
UberTag
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Isn't Big E Langston his friend?
Soyongdori
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Thuganomics Cena was brilliant heel back in the day. Too bad he's way too popular among kids to become a heel.
Big E. and Roman Reigns work out at his gym. I feel like Seth Rollins does as well.
He actually wasn't brilliant at all. His entire shtick was making jerk off and gay jokes. All of his raps. All of them.
Rollins and Ambrose both do as well. They're all in that video of Langston benching 500lbs
Soyongdori
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Thats what actually made him a perfect heel and it was good. Fact that his raps were terrible and everyone hated the whole thug wannabe white man.
Onion_Relish
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I figured out how to fix WWE
bring back Val Venis
reddmyst
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and the
HO TRAIN!!!
Host Samurai
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I gotta disagree with the in ring wrestling being better. It is so corographed it's not even funny these days. It's like some of the wrestlers don't even try and is a finisher spot fest. The in ring action today couldn't be more predictable not to mention watered down moves as in no pile drivers and tombstones. Matches were much better in the 90s.
All 3 may return for a ONCE IN A LIFETIME match, but yeah... very unlikely.
I don't get it. That match would make Vince a shitload of money. Why is he not pushing both Austin and Punk to do it?
Host Samurai
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Brock also had a very short first stint so his time is welcome. He's awesome too. Batista on the other hand........
Onion_Relish
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Supply and Demand
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also, here is a little snippet from his wiki page
Into the trash it goes.
melonrabbit
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Just when I was getting back into it....
Really, really glad I didn't sub for the PPVs. Well, this decision has saved me some coin.
Really, really glad I didn't sub for the PPVs. Well, this decision has saved me some coin.
PHOENIXZERO
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I'm perfectly fine with the lack of pile drivers, moves like that should never have been so over used to the point where outside of the Undertaker (or Kane) they only registered a two count, I always hated how they turned the DDT into a transitional move. Most impact moves involving the head/neck should be primarily in the finisher category. That said, most of WWE's roster only having a kick/punch offense sucks, even more so when so many guys on their roster don't have any real defining characteristics. The "WWE Style" is just so incredibly stale and it's just going to get worse with more and more people who's only wrestling experience is with the company.
That the WWE has no new stars is their own fault, not the fault of the roster. There have been plenty of guys that should have been big stars, but were ruined by WWE's awful booking and obsession with John Cena.
Even now, Daniel Bryan should be a massive star, but it's taken mass popularity to pull teeth with WWE and get him an ounce of a push.
They're like that if you only watch RAW TV matches. Matches were better in the 90s if you watched AJPW and NJPW, maybe.
But the average quality of wrestling in WWE has probably never been higher. All over the place in WWE, you regularly find good matches, up and down the card. In NXT, on Main Event, even on Smackdown, and the 3 hour RAWs have given us a ton of really good matches, especially with the Shield or Daniel Bryan. Major PPV matches also tend to be good at a minimum, or possibly great.
Down on NXT, they have a seriously impressive roster of indie talent that's growing more and more, and those just starting to wrestle have the best training possible, so the future is bright in terms of in-ring wrestling.
JesseEwiak
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Yup. I remember RAW's during the Attitude era. Even if the workers themselves were better (which is not exactly a sure thing), you weren't getting much wrestling in those shows.
And guess who booked in WWE in the Attitude Era til 1999?
Also, let him actually lose once in a while. How are people supposed to buy angles where Cena has been "knocked off the top and climbing back up" if the farthest he falls is coming out 3 minutes earlier on Raw?
Not sure if posted yet, but here's Stone Cold on the Arsenio Hall Show on Punk quitting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugGeZK-ofI
Yeah, but none of that is Batista's fault, it is management problems. They have plenty of time in a 3 hour long show to show plenty of the younger guys. They just don't often enough, and when they do they have bad gimmicks, or they are thrust in faces for months without being over so people just hate them. Even with Rock, Batista, Lesnar et al there should be plenty of time to develop new wrestlers and characters, but it is just 2 hours of repeating talking points and repeating promos.
Exactly. It's amazing how the last 10 or so years have made me miss him to the point where I'd hail him as a saviour if he came back.
Stone Cold raised some good points there.
JesseEwiak
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Go watch any of his TNA to disabuse yourself of this notion. Anybody who wants Vince Russo in any position of power isn't an actual wrestling fan.
I have. The 6-sided ring era on TNA was extremely watchable, especially compared to their current ouput..
I think stro said it best when he said Russo is great and writing other peoples booking, which is what he'd do in WWE anyway.
If your only friend in 13 years is Big E Langston, then you have serious problems dude.
reptilescorpio
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Sir_Crocodile
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Oh man, I still remember Arsenio interviewing Rude & the brain almost 25 years ago(those tights!).
Cool that he still interviews wrestlers and is up to date.
Sir_Crocodile
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Says he thinks it's legit, likened it to when he left (reffed "took his ball"), said vince will probably go down to Chicago and try to convince punk to return. Thinks he should stay for the £££(austin regrets leaving because he missed out on a lot of paydays), but thinks punk's going through some stress and is pretty hardheaded, so unsure if he will.
Discotheque
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the thing with CM Punk though is he doesn't seem like a burnout. I think he saved a good deal of money, or at least he won't be hurting for WWE payday. i dunno.
Dagobert Duck
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Exactly. I don't he runs around wasting money, he is more like buy a comic book here, go to a concert there (if you look at his twitter). So I guess he could easily sit out a year and come back fresh next summer.
That's the whole point of Punk leaving BEFORE Wrestlemania. To send a message to Vinnie Mac
"i dont need your money and i can leave whatever i want"
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