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BTW, that's not to deny that there are books at DC that seem to be genuinely creatively driven - Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Dial H and both Morrison titles come to mind. But when even the flagship book of the entire line, written and drawn by two top-ranking execs at DC, is visibly being pulled in multiple directions, it's hard not to be cynical.
 
I don't understand the obsession Marvel & DC have with a unified, interconnected universe. It just turns everything into a bland, jumbled, uninteresting mush. Let creative do their thing.
 
Mac the KNife said:
I don't understand the obsession Marvel & DC have with a unified, interconnected universe. It just turns everything into a bland, jumbled, uninteresting mush. Let creative do their thing.
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Why not let them do their thing by building a unified, interconnected universe? Gillen, Aaron, Remender, Fraction, Parker, etc are doing a fucking amazing job so far. God I love the MU right now, bros!!!!
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Why not let them do their thing by building a unified, interconnected universe? Gillen, Aaron, Remender, Fraction, Parker, etc are doing a fucking amazing job so far. God I love the MU right now, bros!!!!
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I guess it's that the unified universe brings a unified tone that's kind of a turn-off to me. Marvel had a pretty nice variety of books ten years ago that did their own thing and were better for it. The X-Men had a sweet sci-fi slant and the Hulk had a cool horror tone. Now their selection (with exceptions!) seems to be "standard superhero" fare.
 
Mac the KNife said:
I don't understand the obsession Marvel & DC have with a unified, interconnected universe. It just turns everything into a bland, jumbled, uninteresting mush. Let creative do their thing.
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I don't think there's really an inverse correlation between shared universe elements and quality. The early months of the New 52 generally downplayed (and occasionally ignored) cross-title continuity, and the overall quality of the line hasn't changed much since then.
 
What's a good way for me to get into reading some Batman comics if I wanted to start now? I mean like which ones to start with.
 
Hey guys, I'd like some help.

So I followed the Avengers for a long while but picked up interest when Disassembled/New Avengers happened, and was more hooked since. Read all the New Avengers, Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Siege arcs. Then the 'Heroic Age' hit and I started losing interest. Read through Avengers Prime, a few issues of Secret Avengers, a dozen or so of the new-New Avengers, and several of the golden age 'Avengers' issues as well (the ones with the child-art.. sorry).

After that I totally stopped. I think i've missed the 'fear itself' and X-men vs Avengers arcs, but I have no clue where to start up again or which new arcs i've missed out on. Could someone fill me in on what i've missed from these lines? I want to get caught up on all of them (avengers, secret av, new av, etc).

Also, I really hope they've changed the artist for Avengers. That shit was unbearable for me.
 
Secret Avengers is the only must read. With the coming creative shift, there's a great jumping on point for a lot of Avengers books
 
Mac the KNife said:
True, but if you look at the type of Marvel/DC comics that stand the test of time, would you find a lot of character crossovers or more contained stories?
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Even then, I don't think there's an absolute correlation. Yes, the cream of the crop (Watchmen, DKR, All-Star Superman, most Vertigo books) are self-contained, but I could name a bunch of great books that draw heavily on shared-universe elements (Starman, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Morrison's Batman, Seven Soldiers, Miller's Daredevil run, etc).
 
@Sentry are you bad mouthing JRJR?
Wait for October and jump on Uncanny Avengers, Cassaday's amazing.
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BuddyJoeHooker said:
@Sentry are you bad mouthing JRJR?
Wait for October and jump on Uncanny Avengers, Cassaday's amazing.
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I approve this team.

Sentry said:
Hey guys, I'd like some help.

So I followed the Avengers for a long while but picked up interest when Disassembled/New Avengers happened, and was more hooked since. Read all the New Avengers, Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Siege arcs. Then the 'Heroic Age' hit and I started losing interest. Read through Avengers Prime, a few issues of Secret Avengers, a dozen or so of the new-New Avengers, and several of the golden age 'Avengers' issues as well (the ones with the child-art.. sorry).

After that I totally stopped. I think i've missed the 'fear itself' and X-men vs Avengers arcs, but I have no clue where to start up again or which new arcs i've missed out on. Could someone fill me in on what i've missed from these lines? I want to get caught up on all of them (avengers, secret av, new av, etc).

Also, I really hope they've changed the artist for Avengers. That shit was unbearable for me.
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Heroic age has been pretty status quo. Avengers vs X-men is still going, after that, the teams will joing together a bit and that's it. You lost nothing major afaik.
 
Sblargh said:
Heroic age has been pretty status quo. Avengers vs X-men is still going, after that, the teams will joing together a bit and that's it. You lost nothing major afaik.
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Figured as much. So 'Fear Itself' didn't have its own arc like secret invasion/siege? And what happened to the new New Avengers? That was pretty confusing as-is (before the whole x-men involvement).

BuddyJoeHooker said:
@Sentry are you bad mouthing JRJR?
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I guess I am. :p Maybe it was the colorist or something, but it just felt so flat/childish to me. :\
 
Satch said:
i dont know why DC can't get it together on the "unified universe" thing
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Something about rebooting your entire universe and history without a well thought out plan in place I imagine, coupled with overbearing parent company execs looking for the next summer blockbuster.
 
Sentry said:
Figured as much. So 'Fear Itself' didn't have its own arc like secret invasion/siege? And what happened to the new New Avengers? That was pretty confusing as-is (before the whole x-men involvement).


I guess I am. :p Maybe it was the colorist or something, but it just felt so flat/childish to me. :\
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I don't even remember, tbh. It was so underwhelming.
 
X-23 sale? Kevin Smith's Daredevil (my favorite superhero character) sale? Any thoughts? Haven't touched either of them before, so just wondering if they're worth picking up.
 
ReiGun said:
Fixed that up for you, breh.
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Madness.
I don't even remember her to be honest. But Storm man. Halle Berry portrayal be damned. She's crazy hot. Who is this Monica person?

edit: I just did a Google hit, and I recognize her. But...aw man. They're bringing her back for the movie or something?
 
Sblargh said:
Kevin Smith's Daredevil is very good, imo. I definetly recommend.
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I'll be the dissenting opinion on this one. Smith is not very good at writing comics. He doesn't really "play nice" with how characters are actually supposed to be and just makes them do whatever he wants to. And not in "Wow, what an interesting take!" way. Like a "Who are these people. That's certainly not Matt Murdock and Karen Page." way
 
Mac the KNife said:
I guess it's that the unified universe brings a unified tone that's kind of a turn-off to me. Marvel had a pretty nice variety of books ten years ago that did their own thing and were better for it. The X-Men had a sweet sci-fi slant and the Hulk had a cool horror tone. Now their selection (with exceptions!) seems to be "standard superhero" fare.
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....are you reading these books? I mean yeah its crossover season but, no matter how hard they try, their multiple books still carve out their own corners of the marvel U. Theres nothing standard about the past 20 issues of JiM*even with the Fear Itself crossover*, or the first 15 issues of DD, the Remender run in UXF / Venom, or Secret Avengers which is really self contained, as is Defenders and XFactor *they dont even call and say hi*. Iron Man is heading towards its conclusion, not a peep of AvX in it which really amazes me. Schism didnt bring Xmen any closer to being mainstream marvel, we will see if Marvel NOW does, but the basis of the Xmen books were they are outcasts yet heroes so i doubt it will ultimately. I really dont see this bleeding into a standard fare in recent marvel. You can carve up most of their solicits as you always could *well not in the 90's everything was spiderman or xmen :P*

Street Level/agent of (x) - Winter Soldier, DD, Punisher, etc etc
Adventure/investigative - Hulk, Cap, Wolverine, Incredible Hulk etc etc
Good Team books - Thunderbolts, UXF, FF4/FF, Secret Avengers, XFactor,UXM, WaTXM etc
Meh team books - Avengers, New Avengers, Xmen, Avengers Academy etc etc
Latest ongoing solo's - Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Gambit
Major/Global threat solos - Thor, Ironman , Namor (back in the day)etc etc
Spiderverse - Amazing Spiderman/Spectacular/Avenging etc etc
X-Verse - UXM, Xmen Legacy, New Mutants, X this , X that theres at least 5 X books
Cosmic setting/theme - ...none right now but Nova is on the way
balancing life books - so basically the heroes that have jobs , Spiderman, She Hulk, War Machine, Daredevil etc etc.
Mythological setting - JiM , Thor, Ghostrider, Dr Strange, Ironfist, Man Thing etc etc

so on and so forth. Now there is a sense of a unified world because of good writing that brought the characters together. There were plenty of shitty crossovers and team ups that were meant to tie stuff together but were best forgotten ill agree on that. However, some of the best stories marvel ever did were crossover stories and or guest appearances. Its how we got Thanos, and wolverine , and Thor,and Iron Man , its how we got Captain America back from the dead.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I'll be the dissenting opinion on this one. Smith is not very good at writing comics. He doesn't really "play nice" with how characters are actually supposed to be and just makes them do whatever he wants to. And not in "Wow, what an interesting take!" way. Like a "Who are these people. That's certainly not Matt Murdock and Karen Page." way
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I was going to add "but I get why some people don't like it", but I do think it's an interesting take. Catholic Murdock should pop up more often.
 
BuddyJoeHooker said:
I understand the criticism for Romita JR, especially that first arc.


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Holy SHIT. I never even realized that he was also responsible for the shitty Sentry series. Wow. I might have subconsciously hated just because of how bad that Sentry comic was in my mind (both art and story).
 
I finished the Owls arc of Batman, was pretty great. First seven issues were incredible and the last of them weren't as good, but, still damn good.
 
much respect to JRJR, but he shoudln't be on Avengers/team books, his art looks kinda awful there most times. seeing an elongated Wolverine leap through the air like a cat is always weird.

get him on DD or Spidey sulking in the rain, and he shines.
 
Image just made their 2012 #1 issues free on comixology, so many great books, go! Read! Now!
Fatale, saga, mind the gap, etc
 
akira28 said:
Madness.
I don't even remember her to be honest. But Storm man. Halle Berry portrayal be damned. She's crazy hot. Who is this Monica person?

edit: I just did a Google hit, and I recognize her. But...aw man. They're bringing her back for the movie or something?
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They're not bringing her back far as I know. I just prefer that pairing. :P
 
sillymonkey321 said:
Image just made their 2012 #1 issues free on comixology, so many great books, go! Read! Now!
Fatale, saga, mind the gap, etc
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Appreciate the heads up. I'm already all in on Saga...the artwork is amazing and the story is very interesting so far. It helps that my favorite comic writer is at the helm.

Many of these other books look really interesting. Can't beat free. I might find one or two other monthly reads out of this, so mission accomplished for Image.
 
Wood is good, heh.

few books im trying to check out between catching up on batman and this new Jeff Smith one, but i had to ask real quick: anyone else reading Spawn these days? i know, it mostly looks like a 90s leftover but ive been having fun with it since the recent passing of the mantle, personally.

not something id say people need to read like Daredevil etc, but if you were ever a fan in the day, its enjoyable.
 
What's up Comic-GAF. I haven't read a floppy in like 4 months (except Saga, I can't quit you!) and shit feels sogood!

Does AvX still suck? Is Marvel NOW going to be as bad as it sounds? Does anybody besides editors still work at DC? How come Satch is just Satch?
 
Christ floppies are expensive.

If Adventure Time or Marceline and the Scream Queens doesn't get a trade paperback I'm gonna go bankrupt :/
 
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